That’s a completely different rape accusation.
He has denied the allegation altogether.
Ford’s testimony isn’t going to help - Dems will ignore it from now on no matter what, except to assume it’s true and use it to argue for the truth of the other allegations. The Rodriguez allegation is more of the same, with the added complication that she was really drunk. The mass rape parties sound even more problematic.
Regards,
Shodan
Or perhaps you could explain instead of resorting to snark.
From my reading of it, it seems that several people remember hearing rumors, yet nobody, despite the presence of several people, actually recall it happening. She didn’t even remember it happening until six days of “prep” by her attorney, which again I would certainly assume is a right wing Tea Party zealot. 
This is the case here? Rumors in college? Hell, in college we were convinced that if your roommate committed suicide you got straight As for the semester because the rumor was it happened to “some kid” a couple of years before. We also thought that the reason why sororities were located off campus was because of an archaic university rule that said that more than X number of women living in the same house constituted a brothel.
We also heard rumors that an unenforceable city ordinance allowed a man to beat his wife on the courthouse steps after reading a declaration of her wrongdoing to the gathered public. Again, however, he could not beat her with anything wider than his thumb, hence “Rule of Thumb.”
In short, young college kids are stupid and spread ridiculous bullshit. And these were contemporaneous beliefs, not ones through recovered memory thirty years later.
Let’s see: it recently came out that the Republicans were aware of other sexual assault reports, and tried to push through the vote before they became public. Also, Kavanaugh and Judge have been accused of drugging and gang raping multiple women…
And yet in your mind the Democrats are still the bad guys.
Clearly you are someone who is capable of forming an unbiased opinion, and therefore should be taken seriously.
I can certainly accept that investigators might not have gotten to Ford and Ramirez or found the allegations baseless if they had and ignored them.
But what Avenatti is claiming, that he and Judge were procurers of a rape and sex club as teenagers. That they got women drunk and got them raped by gangs of men. Who presumably had to be contacted by the budding rape fiends. And taken to the site. Plus That such a story could remain hidden is something that is difficult to believe.
I’ve already been blasted in this thread, but I will point out that it is not rape to have sex with a woman who is simply drunk. She must be blind drunk, so drunk that if she committed murder it would be mitigated to manslaughter.
Merely sharing a bottle of wine with your wife and then having sex is not rape.
I’m guessing no one had to be taken anywhere. I would guess that they were already at the frat house.
Here’s a helpful little introduction to Kavanaugh’s fraternity for you:
As well as being a member of TNC [“Tit and Clit”], which remained an all-male group until it dissolved, Kavanaugh was also a member of the fraternity Delta Kappa Epsilon, which received a five-year campus ban after footage emerged of fraternity members standing outside a women’s center and chanting “no means yes, yes means anal”
a normal president would have cut him loose by now.
See my post several pages ago on why it makes literally no political sense for Republicans to defend Kavenaugh, except that a white male conservative is under fire. R’s control the Senate schedule for another three months, and more likely for the next two years and three months. They could easily move things along to get a “better” nominee to replace Kavenaugh, but they just can’t bring themselves as a party to have an Al Franken moment.
From a purely political perspective, it’s as though Democrats over the last several years have laid out a bunch of rakes from the MeToo Rake Factory, with a warning sign that says, “Hey guys! There’s a bunch of rakes over here, careful not to step on one!” and the Republicans are Sideshow Bob stepping on every single one. Over. And over. And over. And over.
Judge’s ex-girlfriend was so disturbed after hearing the story that years later she remembered it as evidence that he was a bad guy. “I shared a bottle of wine with her and then we had sex” doesn’t really justify that behavior, does it?
Sounds to me that Judge revealed this to his ex in a moment of emotional vulnerability. If this was clearly just kinky but above-board consensual sex, why would he show shame? Remember, this is the dude whose high school yearbook inscription espouses hitting certain women like gongs, and his memoir waxes poetic about the beauty of uncontrolled male passion.
But if he was ashamed because of guilt over violating consent, this emotional reaction would actually be consistent with Ford’s claim it was Judge who aborted her assault by falling on top of Kav. She also said Judge had vacillated between egging Kav on and yelling stop; was this an indication of his own moral conflict spilling out in the moment? Furthermore, Ford indicated running into Judge years after the incident and he was noticeably uncomfortable seeing her. Once again this may be the result of him feeling ashamed of himself and not hiding it well.
As despicable as Judge has come across from the little that has been disclosed about him, he doesn’t sound like a sociopath. This could be another reason Kav doesn’t want him testifying; he could break under intense questioning just to relieve his conscience.
If the last allegation is true, it would not surprise me if the women targeted in these trains were not Kav and Judge’s blue-blooded female counterparts, but rather were lower class outsiders who could readily be used and then discarded. Meet them at a bar, razzle dazzle them with your rich white boy charm, talk them up like you are actually interested in them, invite them back to the crib for more drinks and fun…then ply them with enough booze to almost knock them unconscious. It’s a party and everyone is drinking, but the strongest stuff is strategically pushed on the girl(s). Then, when they’re too plastered to put up a fight, that’s when the train begins.
What is consent in a situation like this? If you’re someone with antiquated, slut-shaming beliefs, you tell herself the girl should’ve known what was in store for her. She gave consent when she agreed to party with a bunch of dudes. You don’t bother asking yourself what the likelihood is she would sign on to be “trained” if the guys had communicated their intentions upfront. You don’t need to ask because you know the likelihood is low. Low enough to suggest she isn’t consenting to a train at all. She’s just too drunk to say no when the conductor calls all aboard.
In the rape culture of the 1980’s, the above was skeevy but few thought it was criminal. Old school rationalizations won’t work in 2018, in the era of affirmation consent.
I am aware of that.
In the Ramirez case, it may not have helped. According to the New Yorker article, it took six days of “consulting with her attorney” before she was sure of her memory.
Perhaps it remained hidden for the same reasons the McMartin pre-school case remained hidden for so long.
Regards,
Shodan
This is a lot to glean from a 30 year old hearsay account. First, she never said that Judge said that Kavanaugh was involved. Second, we don’t know how good her memories are with the actual words that he said, and the context of those words. Third, he could have been bragging or exaggerating. Or maybe he was telling the absolute truth.
In any event, I don’t know how we go from there to picking up low class women from skeevy bars and plying them with booze to near unconsciousness.
Let’s see what someone who knew them both has to say:
Kavanaugh’s roommate at the time of the alleged incident, James Roche, said he never witnessed Kavanaugh commit any act of sexual misconduct but he told The New Yorker that Kavanaugh was “frequently incoherently drunk.”
Roche became friends with Ramirez, whom he called “exceptionally honest and gentle.” He said he could not “imagine her making this up” and said it was “believable” that Kavanaugh could have been involved in an incident like the one alleged by Ramirez.
So this guy, who knows them both better than you do, says Ramirez wouldn’t lie, and that it’s believable that Kavanaugh assaulted her.
Probably more Dem lies, huh?
Oh, Good Night Nurse. What old chestnut are you going to drop in next: the Twinkie Defense?
You think Judge could have been “bragging” to his girlfriend that he’d raped a drunk woman?
If Kavanaugh drank as much as alleged, I would believe that he is an alcoholic. I mean, sure, many of us drank more when we were younger than we do know, but from these reports, there were very few times that he was actually sober.
I would believe that a guy who drank that much would have rumors of alcoholism swirling around his life.
Again, she said that he believed it was consensual. I can imagine, “Honey, you know I love you and would never cheat on you. Look at how much you’ve changed me. I used to have group sex at parties, but now I don’t drink nearly as much and am faithful to you.”
I mean, we simply don’t know what was said, and I doubt she recalls the words or the context either.