# Can Dr. Oz sink any lower? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 14, 2014, 12:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-dr-oz-sink-any-lower/688433 "2014-05-14T12:33:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2014, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-dr-oz-sink-any-lower/688433/61 "2014-05-15T00:44:06Z")
Let’s not forget when she claimed “the most humiliating moment in her life” was being denied entrance into Hermes ten minutes after they were closed. :rolleyes: Or how she spread the old urban legend about [rainbow parties](http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/weblog/comments/rainbow_parties)? She may not be evil, but she’s not exactly a trustworthy source, or someone I’d take advice from. ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2014, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-dr-oz-sink-any-lower/688433/62 "2014-05-15T00:47:00Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Let’s not forget when she claimed “the most humiliating moment in her life” was being denied entrance into Hermes ten minutes after they were closed. :rolleyes: Now THAT, I am with you on. Krispy krist… ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2014, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-dr-oz-sink-any-lower/688433/63 "2014-05-15T00:54:12Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Let’s not forget when she claimed “the most humiliating moment in her life” was being denied entrance into Hermes ten minutes after they were closed. :rolleyes: > > Or how she spread the old urban legend about [rainbow parties](http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/weblog/comments/rainbow_parties)? > She may not be evil, but she’s not exactly a trustworthy source, or someone I’d take advice from. There’s a reason a local paper’s review called her “Oprah Windbag”. She’s a negative image, gender flipped Paul Harvey. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2014, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-dr-oz-sink-any-lower/688433/64 "2014-05-15T00:58:50Z")
> [@Ambivalid](#): > > So maybe you can tell me, wtf is “soul collage” ? You know, it’s that thing of when you roll a midget in collard greens and black-eyed peas, and you stick him in a scrapbook. ---
**Author:** ![zoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zoid/32/336_2.png) [@zoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zoid)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2014, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-dr-oz-sink-any-lower/688433/65 "2014-05-15T00:59:12Z")
> [@Stoid](#): > > Now THAT, I am with you on. Krispy krist… But other than that you’re onboard with the anti-vax, eschew science for woo, promote alternative medical treatments that don’t work, and instead of working just hope real hard and “The Secret” will grant all your wishes bullshit, and all the other detrimental crap she’s been pedaling in the name of almighty ratings - good of the viewers be damned. Got it. ---
**Author:** ![Sarahfeena](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sarahfeena/32/519_2.png) [@Sarahfeena](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sarahfeena)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2014, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-dr-oz-sink-any-lower/688433/66 "2014-05-15T01:52:43Z")
> [@Shayna](#): > > Here’s what I don’t understand: Oz repeatedly says he doesn’t endorse anything, ever, under any circumstances, so if you see a picture of him or his name associated with any business using his name or likeness to sell their products, to know it’s absolutely not true. > > So how does he benefit by putting these supplement and woo woo hucksters on his show? Ratings. He’s basically a ratings whore who will put anything sensational on his show if people will watch it. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2014, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-dr-oz-sink-any-lower/688433/67 "2014-05-15T01:53:30Z")
> [@zoid](#): > > Oh, and I have a dick. > I really need to think about a new handle > ☹ Best. Seque. EVAR! ---
**Author:** ![Sarahfeena](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sarahfeena/32/519_2.png) [@Sarahfeena](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sarahfeena)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2014, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-dr-oz-sink-any-lower/688433/68 "2014-05-15T02:04:59Z")
> [@zoid](#): > > But other than that you’re onboard with the anti-vax, eschew science for woo, promote alternative medical treatments that don’t work, and instead of working just hope real hard and “The Secret” will grant all your wishes bullshit, and all the other detrimental crap she’s been pedaling in the name of almighty ratings - good of the viewers be damned. > > Got it. This is the thing…Oprah doesn’t practice investigative journalism. She doesn’t put Jenny McCarthy on her show and challenge her, she puts her on her show and nods along. It very much gives her moral culpability in my opinion. ---
**Author:** ![Not\_Carlson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc79bd/32.png) [@Not\_Carlson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Not_Carlson)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2014, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-dr-oz-sink-any-lower/688433/69 "2014-05-15T02:08:25Z")
> [@zoid](#): > > Oh, and I have a dick. Cool. I’ve got one of those too. Though I gotta say, for someone with a dick, you sure know how get into a cat fight. (Rrroww! Hisss!) ---
**Author:** ![Sarahfeena](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sarahfeena/32/519_2.png) [@Sarahfeena](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sarahfeena)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2014, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-dr-oz-sink-any-lower/688433/70 "2014-05-15T02:21:21Z")
> [@Stoid](#): > > I strongly urge you to prefer direct information over paraphrased information. > > [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uf-5yuRiPs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uf-5yuRiPs) > > It’s clear that Oprah does NOT support this woman’s decision and does not encourage her. > Blaming Oprah for this woman’s decision is bullshit. Sounds like backpedaling to me. The woman was obviously influenced by earlier shows, and now Oprah’s explaining here how what this woman did isn’t what she meant for people to do. Maybe she should have thought more carefully about the recommendations she puts out there. ---
**Author:** ![zoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zoid/32/336_2.png) [@zoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zoid)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2014, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-dr-oz-sink-any-lower/688433/71 "2014-05-15T02:26:43Z")
> [@Not\_Carlson](#): > > Cool. I’ve got one of those too. > > Though I gotta say, for someone with a dick, you sure know how get into a cat fight. (Rrroww! Hisss!) SWORD FIGHT! Cmon! It’s not weird if other guys are watching… ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2014, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-dr-oz-sink-any-lower/688433/72 "2014-05-15T02:41:38Z")
Here’s some more. [In Oz We Trust(But Should We?)](http://www.forbes.com/sites/daviddisalvo/2013/02/10/in-oz-we-trust-but-should-we/) > [@](#): > > So potent is Oz’s advice that stores now dedicate specific shelf-space to “Dr. Oz’s Recommended Supplements.” As one manager of a vitamin shop in my city told me, “We devote six shelves to everything Dr. Oz recommends and it’s almost impossible to keep most of the items in stock.” That, in a nutshell, has been a steady part of Oz’s legacy since 2004, when **Oprah Winfrey knighted him “America’s doctor.** ” She directly endorsed that fucking quack and all the dubious supplement pushing he does. She directly told her viewers to trust him. ---
**Author:** ![Not\_Carlson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc79bd/32.png) [@Not\_Carlson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Not_Carlson)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2014, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-dr-oz-sink-any-lower/688433/73 "2014-05-15T02:46:51Z")
> [@zoid](#): > > SWORD FIGHT! > > Cmon! It’s not weird if other guys are watching… Cat fights, salami jousting . . . What next? Mud wrestling!? I’m not sure I’m as game as you. I don’t know. Maybe if the spectators are paying. ---
**Author:** ![splatterpunk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3be4f8/32.png) [@splatterpunk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/splatterpunk)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2014, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-dr-oz-sink-any-lower/688433/74 "2014-05-15T03:20:38Z")
> [@Sarahfeena](#): > > …Oprah doesn’t practice investigative journalism. Or any other kind. ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2014, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-dr-oz-sink-any-lower/688433/75 "2014-05-15T03:28:03Z")
> [@Sarahfeena](#): > > Sounds like backpedaling to me. The woman was obviously influenced by earlier shows, and now Oprah’s explaining here how what this woman did isn’t what she meant for people to do. Maybe she should have thought more carefully about the recommendations she puts out there. Can you show Oprah saying that medicine isn’t necessary? That people with cancer should just “wish real hard” as some have suggested? It’s only “backpedaling” if she went there to begin with, and she didn’t. ---
**Author:** ![Sarahfeena](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sarahfeena/32/519_2.png) [@Sarahfeena](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sarahfeena)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2014, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-dr-oz-sink-any-lower/688433/76 "2014-05-15T03:34:59Z")
> [@Stoid](#): > > Can you show Oprah saying that medicine isn’t necessary? That people with cancer should just “wish real hard” as some have suggested? It’s only “backpedaling” if she went there to begin with, and she didn’t. The point is that she endorses this stuff, but doesn’t think through how people might apply it. That’s part of her responsibility when she puts it out there. ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2014, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-dr-oz-sink-any-lower/688433/77 "2014-05-15T03:58:33Z")
> [@Sarahfeena](#): > > The point is that she endorses this stuff, but doesn’t think through how people might apply it. That’s part of her responsibility when she puts it out there. I’m not really sure what it is you mean by this. She’s supposed to project the extreme possibilities of people’s behavior and modify herself based on that? Because if that’s the rule now, then I can think of some media figures promoting far more terrifying things than a belief in the power of belief. Again, I don’t think it’s legitimate to hold Oprah responsible for the way some people will choose to respond to things they learn about on her show, particularly in an areas of such importance as health. That’s foolish, and it’s not foolishness that Oprah created, it’s already built-in. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2014, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-dr-oz-sink-any-lower/688433/78 "2014-05-15T04:02:44Z")
> [@zoid](#): > > \ > Oh, and I have a dick. > I really need to think about a new handle > ☹ > [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Best. > > Seque. > > EVAR! You bastard - you beat me to it. ---
**Author:** ![Hippy\_Hollow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hippy_hollow/32/4841_2.png) [@Hippy\_Hollow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hippy_Hollow)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2014, 5:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-dr-oz-sink-any-lower/688433/79 "2014-05-15T05:56:17Z")
I’m in two minds about Oprah. On one hand, she’s an example of someone who has used the cult of personality for considerable personal gain. But she’s not a dictator or head of a junta. Certainly, though, there probably would be some recognition of the responsibility that one carries with that much attention. By either ignoring this or disregarding it, I have to say that my overall opinion of Oprah is not very high. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2014, 6:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-dr-oz-sink-any-lower/688433/80 "2014-05-15T06:14:06Z")
Remember the Living Color song, “Cult of Personality”? I think that could describe Oprah to some degree. I was at the vet’s office last week and they had Dr. Oz on in the waiting room. His “Hall of Shame” was enough to put me off of him forever. _shudder_ [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-dr-oz-sink-any-lower/688433.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-dr-oz-sink-any-lower/688433.md?page=5)