So, I’m curious— when you were in court, bereft of your colored fonts and underscores, how did you place emphasis? Lots of wild gesticulating, bugging your eyes, stamping your feet, shouting, that kind of thing?
Going off of the “but she just presents whatever ‘side’ there is and let’s it speak for itself / the viewers make their own decisions” debate, I have a question…
I’ve only ever watched a handful of Oprah segments, so has she ever had any white supremacists / Nazi sympathizer on there who positively portrayed they’re odious beliefs? Such that she didn’t really oppose what they were peddling?
How’d you know?
Doh! I too thought you were talking about an actual commercial on his show. How stupid of me, I thought you’re comments were just stupid, it never even occurred to me that you were just blowing shit out your ass:smack:
One more person I can skim by when reading on the dope.
Don’t blame the inventor, blame the Creator. Blame God.
Now that’s a funny way to like a post.
(I liked your post, Sarahfeena.)
He was the court stenographer. (And what a job that was!)
Y’know, playing the race card when absolutely none of this has been about race is cheap and nasty. Oprah is beyond race and was a pioneer of that. It was fascinating to watch how she, and her honky puppetmasters ;), transformed race in daytime TV and popular culture. 1985 doesn’t seem that long ago, but in some ways it was.
OTOH, I’ve never seen Oprah’s so-called brilliance. She always strikes me as being of average intelligence, though with a lot of drive. Right person, right place, right time, right predecessor I guess. I recall her reaction when she saw a re-release of The Exorcist. She was still shook two days later and talked as if it were a documentary because devil possession is real. :smack: Populism will always earn you an audience, and I guess it says something about her viewership, and that of all of the judge shows and crap that clog the daytime airwaves.
Nah, just a plain ol’ cunt with a lot of clout.
Well, he didn’t GIVE her AM Chicago, but if Jay Levine had been a better talk show host we wouldn’t be having this conversation. (It was Jay Levine, wasn’t it? Or was it that other moron with dead eyes and horse cheeks? Oh, that was my home room teacher sophomore year? Must’ve been Levine, then.)
There really is, though. If you don’t understand the difference between an 8-10 minute interview on a show and a 20 second spot between a Taco Bell commercial and a trailer for this summer’s superhero movie, then I don’t think there’s any reasoning with you.
And curse you for making me agree with Czarcasm.
Well, it’s not just one commercial, is it? It’s lots of them. Over and over.
Actually, I think the sniping at the foibles and misadventures of our fellow Doper is kinda crappy, and I don’t support it being a part of this conversation at all.
That said, I fnd that I can have contempt for the people who read, say, Us Magazine, and also have contempt for Us Magazine for existing in the first place.
Just to put a wildly out-of-proportion analogy out there.
That the show has no control over. Did you miss this important point?
Wah wah. The board regularly makes off the cuff remarks about rich white men. But suddenly folks wanna catch the vapors when it shows up here. It’s not that serious, hon.
This is like getting upset that Trader Joes shamelessly sells junk food like Cookie Butter despite marketing itself as a wholesome-minded company. Contrary to whatever expectations consumers may have, Trader Joe’s will always be more concerned about its bottom line than public health. Oprah and anyone else in the entertainment industry is no different.
I have no problem objecting to Dr. Oz on the basis of what he’s promoting. That’s why I don’t watch the show. But faulting Oprah because she’s failed to live up to some standard of goodness that you’ve arbitrarily chosen to apply to her just looks dumb.
Rather than selling junk food with dubious nutritional content, the better analogy would be selling food containing unlabeled known carcinogens or shards of glass. At some point a store or TV show takes responsibility for their product.
First and foremost, Oprah is in the entertainment business. Not the “Fighting Ignorance since 1973” business. There must be a line around the block outside her producers’ door of every kind of woo charlatan that one can imagine. It’s an unlimited supply of entertainment for her audience. Which, by the way, are not necessarily the sharpest or most critical thinkers to ever fill a seat. If she were to change direction and only host guests that put forward scientifically sound information, imagine what would happen to her current audience and how much less “sensational” her content would become. Also imagine how quickly her advertisers would head for the door once she started having her guests critically analyze what’s in those nutrition bars and anti-aging creams being peddled in the commercial breaks.
Oprah is the product of her own success formula. Suddenly turning on the woo she’s been promoting all these years would be admirable, but also the end of the Harpo money making machine. And she has plausable deniability: She is not an expert on anything but being an entertainer.
Having said that, I still believe she’s doing more harm than good and I have nothing but contempt for her irresponsible promotion of woo.
No that’s not a better analogy. Unless Dr. Oz has explicitly used his medical degree to encourage cancer-causing behaviors and other Bad Things, then I disagree his actions are akin to selling food clandestinely contaminated with carcinogens and glass.
His show is no more deceptive than your typical commercial for weight loss supplements featuring endorsements by so-called real life doctors. Most people have the good sense not to put faith in these commercials, and I expect them to be just as skeptical with Dr. Oz.
So… if ESPN airs point spreads their responsible for addicts who pawn the kids XBOX players? At what point do people take responsibility for what they see on TV? She airs a lot of shit… some good… some meh… some complete b.s. Ive never had an problem discerning which is which…
Even a dumbass like Jenny Mccarthy is allowed to express her views… people who endanger they kids subsequently bear their own brunt.
Ohh quit your logical thinking their dammit… better to call the rich black lady a disgusting term because…it’s gotta be her… Not the dude the thread was originally about…
…dumbasses like you make me want to subscribe to her magazine…
Jesus fucking Christ. You just don’t get it, do you? Junk food is not contagious. You won’t be forced to eat a fucking cookie because the idiot next door watched a Trader Joe’s commercial and ate thirty of them.
Measles is one of the world’s most contagious diseases. That asshole Jenny McCarthy asserts that it was vaccines, specifically the vaccine against measles that caused her son’s autism. That asshole Oprah not only provides McCarthy with a platform to lie about this shit but actively endorses her as someone credible. If the idiot next door neighbor gets measles, you have a huge chance of getting measles because your own MMR shot did not work or you have cancer or you are a baby too young to get the shot.
This isn’t an arbitrary standard of goodness where the nasty mean white people are hating on the poor sweet black lady because they’re nothing but a bunch of goddamned racists. This is asking someone with power and money not to be a public asshole. It is shameful that Oprah fails this test so badly.
The irony here is rich… RICH i say… Let’s look at Dana White… the very successful exboxer now UFC promoter… He and the Fertita’s (0wner’s) put two guys in the ring and the essentially beat the shit out of each other in many interesting ways. White and the owner’s own the fight… the options on any future fights… this isn’t some Oscar De La Hoya/Mayweather situation. The fighters… even the main ones… aren’t entitled to any PPV points and rarely make a million. Is White responsible for the well being of his fighters. probably not. is he or Vince McMahon responsible for what they put out on their shows/networks? No… not really. And few would argue that they should… But the sassy black lady is the scourge because ultimately she’s responsible for whatever actions people take after watching her shows and reading her magazines. Nobody said this same shit to Joe Weider… Is it that Oprah’s audience is so mentally handicapped that they need some special societal protection… or is it that guys… HATE her shit and have something to say on it. I don’t read the mag and haven’t watched the tv show in years… but I do find the double standard pretty apparent… It’s racism… it’s sexism… it’s misogyn all wrapped up into one shit sandwich…
I contend that is exactly what he is doing. By booking quacks like on his show and giving them an imprimatur based solely on his medical license and NOT exposing them for the frauds that he must know they are, he takes on some measure of responsibility for the next measles outbreak or the next person who decides to treat their child’s cancer with quackery.
It’s not illegal, but it’s morally bankrupt.
Really? Getta here! I’m an epidemiologist who used to work for the CDC–spending a lot of time educating, I might add, physicians about rabies PEP–but somehow it escaped my attention that vaccines rank as one of the more important public health breakthroughs in the 20th century. I thank thee for showing me the light.
Still wondering if you even so much as signed an online petition after Oprah featured McCarthy. I’m guessing not, since you ignored me when I asked about that. Well, that’s okay. Jenny McCarthy made almost 20 appearances on The View before being hired as a co-host, and has been publically lauded by Barbara Walters as intelligent and brave. The horror, I know. Larry King interviewed her as well, and so did Howard Stern.
Woo isn’t something Oprah invented and she ain’t the only one out there profiting from it. I’m a need yall to get a grip already.