# Can homosexuality be cured? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [July 14, 2015, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-homosexuality-be-cured/725173 "2015-07-14T22:01:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2015, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-homosexuality-be-cured/725173/121 "2015-07-16T17:56:15Z")
> [@SeniorCitizen007](#): > > He he. That’s a cute use of “because” to change what I said. You’d make a good journalist. > > ‘Gaydar’ - I like that. Yup, my gaydar is often helpful. Especially when I need to avoid gays who specialise in being the ‘Master’ “The Master”? ---
**Author:** ![SeniorCitizen007](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8baadc/32.png) [@SeniorCitizen007](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SeniorCitizen007)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2015, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-homosexuality-be-cured/725173/122 "2015-07-16T18:37:31Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > “The Master”? Some over the top authoritarians are gay. A Scottish churchman picked picked up on this recently by likening Gay Marriage to slavery. An MP in our parliament recently said about gay marriage: There are some in the aggressive gay community who see this as a stepping stone to something more assertive. Freud clearly had a gay side to him. In fact he had a 20 year correspondence with a well-known gay author. Some heteros can be a heavyweight pain in the kneck - same with the gays. . ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2015, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-homosexuality-be-cured/725173/123 "2015-07-16T18:38:41Z")
> [@SeniorCitizen007](#): > > Some over the top authoritarians are gay. I’ve heard that some bad drivers are gay. And people who like relish. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2015, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-homosexuality-be-cured/725173/124 "2015-07-16T18:41:50Z")
> [@SeniorCitizen007](#): > > Freud clearly had a gay side to him. In fact he had a 20 year correspondence with a well-known gay author… I’m sorry, I have not the slightest clue what you’re talking about here. What does Freud have to do with anything? Also, does the fact that I’ve had a close personal relationship with a homosexual for close to four decades mean I have “a gay side” to me? Honestly, I really want to understand where you’re coming from, but I’m not following. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2015, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-homosexuality-be-cured/725173/125 "2015-07-16T18:42:17Z")
This is beginning to remind me of those people that would go around lecturing about supposed “Satanic cults” they claimed they escaped from. ---
**Author:** ![SeniorCitizen007](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8baadc/32.png) [@SeniorCitizen007](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SeniorCitizen007)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2015, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-homosexuality-be-cured/725173/126 "2015-07-16T18:57:31Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > I’ve heard that some bad drivers are gay. And people who like relish. There are some gays I’d have no problem with if they became President of the USA - there are others who would really alarm me. Thought - here in the UK we came close to having an openly gay Prime Minister who would have installed his partner in No 10 - Peter Mandelson. One of our newspapers published a cartoon of Tony Blair sitting on a throne with Mandelson’s face peering out of his flies. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2015, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-homosexuality-be-cured/725173/127 "2015-07-16T18:59:41Z")
> [@SeniorCitizen007](#): > > There are some gays I’d have no problem with if they became President of the USA - there are others who would really alarm me. So, they should be taken as individuals? That’s a novel thought. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2015, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-homosexuality-be-cured/725173/128 "2015-07-16T19:02:44Z")
> [@SeniorCitizen007](#): > > There are some gays I’d have no problem with if they became President of the USA - there are others who would really alarm me… Which gay people would alarm you if they became President, and which ones do you approve of? ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2015, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-homosexuality-be-cured/725173/129 "2015-07-16T19:11:30Z")
> [@SeniorCitizen007](#): > > One day my " "s will drive someone over the brink and they’ll throttle me. My " "s should be accompanied by a gesture of the hand and a nod. [Something like this?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_AK0ZmZWAw) ---
**Author:** ![SeniorCitizen007](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8baadc/32.png) [@SeniorCitizen007](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SeniorCitizen007)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2015, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-homosexuality-be-cured/725173/130 "2015-07-16T19:15:29Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > This is beginning to remind me of those people that would go around lecturing about supposed “Satanic cults” they claimed they escaped from. OK, let’s call them (the authoritarian gays) by another word - misogynists End of my rant. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2015, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-homosexuality-be-cured/725173/131 "2015-07-16T19:18:11Z")
> [@SeniorCitizen007](#): > > OK, let’s call them (the authoritarian gays) by another word - misogynists > > End of my rant. They are that way because they hate women?? Yeah-“rant” just about sums it up, I’d say. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2015, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-homosexuality-be-cured/725173/132 "2015-07-16T19:21:18Z")
> [@SeniorCitizen007](#): > > OK, let’s call them (the authoritarian gays) by another word - misogynists > > End of my rant. While I know there are misogynistic gay men (too much evidence to believe otherwise), you appear to be simply flailing about. But to attempt to recap: You were once gay but you didn’t like the sex that much, so then you became straight and now you really like straight sex and are 100% hetero and you offer that as an example of someone being cured of being gay. And along the way, as a benefit of the having been gay but not because you were gay, you developed gaydar which is good because gay people are knowledgeable about what’s going on unless they are trying to be the Master which is another word for misogynists. And you’d be okay with some gay people being president but others are scary. Does that sum it up? ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2015, 11:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-homosexuality-be-cured/725173/133 "2015-07-17T11:48:38Z")
Yeah, I think it’s more accurate to say you were Bi-Sexual, not “gay.” ---
**Author:** ![SeniorCitizen007](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8baadc/32.png) [@SeniorCitizen007](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SeniorCitizen007)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2015, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-homosexuality-be-cured/725173/134 "2015-07-17T15:48:08Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > While I know there are misogynistic gay men (too much evidence to believe otherwise), you appear to be simply flailing about. > > But to attempt to recap: > > You were once gay but you didn’t like the sex that much, so then you became straight and now you really like straight sex and are 100% hetero and you offer that as an example of someone being cured of being gay. > > And along the way, as a benefit of the having been gay but not because you were gay, you developed gaydar which is good because gay people are knowledgeable about what’s going on unless they are trying to be the Master which is another word for misogynists. And you’d be okay with some gay people being president but others are scary. > Does that sum it up? Pretty much … thanx for clarifying things. One final titbit: I met Dennis Nilsen [Dennis Nilsen - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Nilsen) several times (only to talk to). My view on things was no doubt influenced by his personality. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2015, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-homosexuality-be-cured/725173/135 "2015-07-17T15:55:12Z")
> [@SeniorCitizen007](#): > > Pretty much … thanx for clarifying things. My sense of accomplishment is diminished by my sense of despair. ---
**Author:** ![SeniorCitizen007](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8baadc/32.png) [@SeniorCitizen007](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SeniorCitizen007)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2015, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-homosexuality-be-cured/725173/136 "2015-07-17T16:36:05Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > My sense of accomplishment is diminished by my sense of despair. Eryngium maritimum > **[Eryngium maritimum](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eryngium_maritimum)** > > Eryngium maritimum, the sea holly or sea eryngo, or sea eryngium, is a perennial species of flowering plant in the family Apiaceae and native to most European coastlines. It resembles a thistle in appearance because of its burr-shaped inflorescences. Despite its common name, it is not a true holly but an umbellifer. > E. maritimum was formally described by Linnaeus in his Species Plantarum I: 233 (1753). The generic name Eryngium derives from Greek and may have developed from a description of t... Quotes from other sources ‘Corrects the deficiencies of youth and restores the virility of the elderly’ ‘Quells the morbid humours’ ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2015, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-homosexuality-be-cured/725173/137 "2015-07-17T18:52:53Z")
> [@SeniorCitizen007](#): > > Eryngium maritimum > > [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eryngium\_maritimum](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eryngium_maritimum) > > Quotes from other sources > > ‘Corrects the deficiencies of youth and restores the virility of the elderly’ > > ‘Quells the morbid humours’ Are you trying to make a point with this post? ---
**Author:** ![SeniorCitizen007](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8baadc/32.png) [@SeniorCitizen007](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SeniorCitizen007)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2015, 6:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-homosexuality-be-cured/725173/138 "2015-07-18T06:48:14Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Are you trying to make a point with this post? It was actually a response to the last three words of JSGoddess’ post - ‘sense of despair’ [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-homosexuality-be-cured/725173.md?page=6)