# Can I be the only person stunned at just how badly President Joe Biden is doing? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 31, 2021, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-i-be-the-only-person-stunned-at-just-how-badly-president-joe-biden-is-doing/949851 "2021-08-31T19:33:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 56
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2023, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-i-be-the-only-person-stunned-at-just-how-badly-president-joe-biden-is-doing/949851/1115 "2023-10-09T17:50:39Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > Eric Adams has been complaining about migrants since they started arriving in New York. Governor Hochul as well, along with a number of mayors from other cities, almost all Democrats. Oh for fuck’s sake. You’ve got four links: two to the xenophobic New York Post, one to Fox fucking News, and one to the New York Times–which is behind a paywall. These are garbage links. I’ll track down your first one, though: it’s a NYPost retread of a CBS News article > **[Transcript: New York Gov. Kathy Hochul on "Face the Nation," Oct. 1, 2023](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/kathy-hochul-new-york-governor-face-the-nation-transcript-10-01-2023/)** > > The following is a transcript of an interview with New York Gov. Kathy Hochul, a Democrat, that aired on "Face the Nation" on Oct. 1, 2023. Yes, the Governor of New York said the border is “too open.” Look at the context, though: > [@Hochul](#): > > Well, shame on Speaker McCarthy and the Republicans in Congress, including the nine from New York state who are complaining like crazy about the migrants, but refuse to work with President Biden and come up with a sensible border strategy. It can be done. This can be done in a bipartisan way, comprehensive immigration reform– > … > we want them to have a limit on who can come across the border. It is too open right now. People coming from all over the world are finding their way through, simply saying they need asylum, and the majority of them seem to be ending up in the streets of New York and that is a real problem for New York City. One hundred and twenty five thousand newly arrived individuals, and we are being taxed. We are always so proud of the fact that New York has the Statue of Liberty in our harbor- harbor. We are one of the most diverse places on earth because of our welcoming nature and our- it’s in our DNA to welcome immigrants. But there has to be some limits in place. And Congress has to put more controls at the border and not in this budget threat, shutdown threat. Talk about eliminating positions for Border Patrol, well, we actually need to double or quadruple those numbers. So get back to work and do your jobs. In answer to the question of “which Democratic mayors called the president to complain about this,” one of your cites is of a Democratic **governor** complaining **about Congress**. Yes, there’s a problem–but there’s no indication whatsoever that she disagrees with Biden’s immigration approach. I didn’t track down your remaining three cites. Are they as off-point as this one? Did you read them, or did you just Google and cut-and-paste links without checking to see if they said what you claimed? ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2023, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-i-be-the-only-person-stunned-at-just-how-badly-president-joe-biden-is-doing/949851/1116 "2023-10-09T17:59:46Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > This is different that tricking 8300 immigrants into thinking you’ll provide them with housing and food if they get on your bus, then unceremoniously dumping them out on a city sidewalk and leaving them there. Oh no, absolutely. They do create a unique problem because most immigration occurs naturally as people go to where they see opportunities, usually they know someone who can help them, they have some sort of plan. When you strand someone somewhere through false pretenses (which I’m sure is fraud and should be prosecutable, lock up those criminal governor assholes) it makes things much worse for them. It’s like the difference between someone deciding to go camping, and dumping someone in the woods where they have no idea where they are and they have no survival gear. My point though is that the crisis these states are facing, which is being caused by the volume of immigrants, that isn’t caused by southern states busing people. That’s a separate issue which has different problems. I guarantee you that if the only immigrants that New York received were the 8K that Texas sent, there would be no crisis. It would still suck but just due to the impact that it has on the vulnerable immigrants being victimized. The false narrative that Sam and others on the right sometimes try to push is that there were cities that decided to be more welcoming to immigrants, southern governors said they’ll call their bluffs, exported some of their incoming immigrants to those cities, and once those cities actually had to put their money where their mouth was, they were overwhelmed. Those cunning Republican governors sure put those idiot liberals in their place! ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2023, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-i-be-the-only-person-stunned-at-just-how-badly-president-joe-biden-is-doing/949851/1117 "2023-10-09T19:57:57Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Are they as off-point as this one? Did you read them, or did you just Google and cut-and-paste links without checking to see if they said what you claimed? This is Standard Operating Procedure for our friend here. Nothing new. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2023, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-i-be-the-only-person-stunned-at-just-how-badly-president-joe-biden-is-doing/949851/1118 "2023-10-09T19:59:01Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > This is Standard Operating Procedure for our friend here. Nothing new. Absolutely, and I’ve been calling out his ridiculously poor cites for a long time. But hope springs eternal that after his hiatus, he’d have come back with more interest in reading his own cites and being sure they support what he claims. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2023, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-i-be-the-only-person-stunned-at-just-how-badly-president-joe-biden-is-doing/949851/1119 "2023-10-09T20:57:07Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > he’d have come back with more interest in reading his own cites and being sure they support what he claims. I honestly don’t think he’s able to do that. It’s a combination of being Dunning-Kruger sure of his point of view, and just fucking too lazy to read his own cites. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2023, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-i-be-the-only-person-stunned-at-just-how-badly-president-joe-biden-is-doing/949851/1120 "2023-10-09T21:53:23Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > The POTUS has no authority not to spend funds which Congress has directed should be spent for a particular purpose. The Impoundment Control Act of 1974 prohibits such actions unless Congress authorizes the executive branch to exercise discretion, which it often does (but not here). You have to understand that the concept of a President that obeys the law is utterly foreign to the modern Republican Party. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Fun\_Ball](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_fun_ball/32/17664_2.png) [@Happy\_Fun\_Ball](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Fun_Ball)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2023, 5:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-i-be-the-only-person-stunned-at-just-how-badly-president-joe-biden-is-doing/949851/1121 "2023-10-10T05:58:15Z")
This is a dumb response, CaptMurdock asked what Biden is doing that is encouraging people come here and you post a bunch of links of people blaming Biden without explaining what he is doing. You can do better… What policy or communication of Biden is encouraging immigrants to come to the US? ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2023, 6:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-i-be-the-only-person-stunned-at-just-how-badly-president-joe-biden-is-doing/949851/1122 "2023-10-10T06:03:29Z")
> [@Happy\_Fun\_Ball](#): > > You can do better Doubt it. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Fun\_Ball](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_fun_ball/32/17664_2.png) [@Happy\_Fun\_Ball](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Fun_Ball)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2023, 6:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-i-be-the-only-person-stunned-at-just-how-badly-president-joe-biden-is-doing/949851/1123 "2023-10-10T06:16:25Z")
He used to do better back in the day. I have not been around much in the last decade or so; I just couldn’t stand any kind of social media (which includes the dope for me) with what was going on in American politics. But back in the oughts Sam was one of the more rational conservatives. I kid you not. I learned a lot from him and respected him as a poster. Unfortunately, I think he (and most conservatives, American and Canadian) started to go nuts when Obama was elected President. I still haven’t figured out why. ¯\_(ツ)\_/¯ ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2023, 6:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-i-be-the-only-person-stunned-at-just-how-badly-president-joe-biden-is-doing/949851/1124 "2023-10-10T06:34:53Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > You have to understand that the concept of a President that obeys the law is utterly foreign to the modern Republican Party. No kidding; I said this exact thing, word for word, to someone yesterday afternoon. > [@Happy\_Fun\_Ball](#): > > Unfortunately, I think he (and most conservatives, American and Canadian) started to go nuts when Obama was elected President. I still haven’t figured out why. I know exactly why the American conservatives freaked when Obama was elected: too much melanin. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2023, 7:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-i-be-the-only-person-stunned-at-just-how-badly-president-joe-biden-is-doing/949851/1125 "2023-10-10T07:27:21Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > > [@Happy\_Fun\_Ball](#): > > > > You can do better > > Doubt it. Do not taunt @Happy_Fun_Ball ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2023, 10:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-i-be-the-only-person-stunned-at-just-how-badly-president-joe-biden-is-doing/949851/1126 "2023-10-10T10:02:21Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > too much melanin. Better that than too much Melania. Even if she is a genius. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2023, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-i-be-the-only-person-stunned-at-just-how-badly-president-joe-biden-is-doing/949851/1127 "2023-10-10T15:48:47Z")
I don’t really care about Melania, I’m not sure who else does but I’m not inclined to ask. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2023, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-i-be-the-only-person-stunned-at-just-how-badly-president-joe-biden-is-doing/949851/1128 "2023-10-10T16:05:54Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > I don’t really care [I think you have that in the wrong order.](https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/qQ-F-oiWzKaVf0nQOAd6VKUC4rU=/1400x1400/filters:format(jpeg)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/11578797/My_Post__21_.jpg) 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2023, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-i-be-the-only-person-stunned-at-just-how-badly-president-joe-biden-is-doing/949851/1129 "2023-10-10T17:09:05Z")
Ah, I was using more standard English, my bad. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-i-be-the-only-person-stunned-at-just-how-badly-president-joe-biden-is-doing/949851.md?page=55)