# Can lonesome polecats' charges be debunked? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 21, 2010, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-lonesome-polecats-charges-be-debunked/561486 "2010-11-21T23:36:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2010, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-lonesome-polecats-charges-be-debunked/561486/101 "2010-11-23T13:41:34Z")
If she had said that she hates nigger monkey men, would the conservatives still support her? If not, why not? ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2010, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-lonesome-polecats-charges-be-debunked/561486/102 "2010-11-23T13:43:21Z")
> [@Michael\_Ellis](#): > > Because the Right says so and Shodan is nothing if not utterly doctrinaire with his talking points. Because, since the rightist didn’t win the contest must have been fixed. This is the exact same thing as the teabagger rage (with both being pushed by big money interests, naturally). Democracy is always the answer, as long as everyone votes the way the rightists think they should have voted. Otherwise they throw a tantrum, sob in a corner, and turn on a couple hours of Fox News to make the sadness go away. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2010, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-lonesome-polecats-charges-be-debunked/561486/103 "2010-11-23T14:14:16Z")
> [@Kyrie\_Eleison](#): > > Agreed, but that’s both reflective of the real problem and missing it at the same time. Prejean’s problem wasn’t that she gave a conservative answer, it was that she gave a divisive one. I suspect that any answer other than an endorsement of gay marriage would be considered equally “divisive”. > [@Carrie Prejean](#): > > Well I think it’s great that Americans are able to choose one way or the other. We live in a land where you can choose same-sex marriage or opposite marriage. And, you know what, in my country, in my family, I think that, I believe that marriage should be between a man and a woman, no offense to anybody out there. But that’s how I was raised and I believe that it should be between a man and a woman. ‘Everyone gets to decide for themselves, but I choose differently from you’ is divisive? Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2010, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-lonesome-polecats-charges-be-debunked/561486/104 "2010-11-23T14:33:11Z")
If only she’d said, “This is America and every should be able to choose however they want,” and left it at that, nobody here would even know her name, let alone how she showed off her ta-ta’s on film after proclaiming herself a such moral Christian woman. ---
**Author:** ![CannyDan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cannydan/32/548_2.png) [@CannyDan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CannyDan)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2010, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-lonesome-polecats-charges-be-debunked/561486/105 "2010-11-23T14:35:02Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > OK, I agree. There’s been a chorus of voices expressing this and slight variations ofthis point, from enough different people that I don’t think it’s obstinate adoption of a principle just to win an argument. Besides, it makes sense. So I withdraw the point; you’ve convinced me. Kudos. ---
**Author:** ![PlainJain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/5daacb/32.png) [@PlainJain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PlainJain)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2010, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-lonesome-polecats-charges-be-debunked/561486/106 "2010-11-23T15:10:22Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > OK, I agree. There’s been a chorus of voices expressing this and slight variations ofthis point, from enough different people that I don’t think it’s obstinate adoption of a principle just to win an argument. Besides, it makes sense. So I withdraw the point; you’ve convinced me. Well shit **Bricker** what fun is that? Seriously, way to man up. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2010, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-lonesome-polecats-charges-be-debunked/561486/107 "2010-11-23T15:26:58Z")
Congratulating \*\*Bricker \*\*for acknowledging he’s been acting like an ass is something like giving a special-ed kid a gold star for not pooping his pants in class. ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2010, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-lonesome-polecats-charges-be-debunked/561486/108 "2010-11-23T15:29:03Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Congratulating \*\*Bricker \*\*for acknowledging he’s been acting like an ass is something like giving a special-ed kid a gold star for not pooping his pants in class. Real classy. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2010, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-lonesome-polecats-charges-be-debunked/561486/109 "2010-11-23T15:31:43Z")
Everyone has their limit at which they get sick of having to encourage him to rise to meet ordinary social norms, and to fawn all over him when he seems to be catching on (it never sticks, because it is never sincere). You seem not to have reached your own limit yet. :shrug: ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2010, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-lonesome-polecats-charges-be-debunked/561486/110 "2010-11-23T15:40:00Z")
God, you’re a prick. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2010, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-lonesome-polecats-charges-be-debunked/561486/111 "2010-11-23T15:46:05Z")
Let’s leave religion out of this, huh? ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2010, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-lonesome-polecats-charges-be-debunked/561486/112 "2010-11-23T16:09:05Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Congratulating \*\*Bricker \*\*for acknowledging he’s been acting like an ass is something like giving a special-ed kid a gold star for not pooping his pants in class. You _do_ want to discourage the pants-pooping, right? ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2010, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-lonesome-polecats-charges-be-debunked/561486/113 "2010-11-23T16:14:34Z")
Only in class. ---
**Author:** ![emacknight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3ec8ea/32.png) [@emacknight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/emacknight)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2010, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-lonesome-polecats-charges-be-debunked/561486/114 "2010-11-23T16:15:52Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > ‘Everyone gets to decide for themselves, but I choose differently from you’ That would be the “pro choice” opinion, everyone is free to live how they want without goverment inerference. If everyone gets to decide for themselves, same sex marriage would be allowed. Instead, she said she doesn’t think it should be legal, which means she doesn’t think it should be allowed. Her belief is that you are not free to choose what she doesn’t agree with. That is divisive. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2010, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-lonesome-polecats-charges-be-debunked/561486/115 "2010-11-23T16:26:16Z")
Right - like I said, any answer other than an endorsement of gay marriage is considered divisive by proponents of gay marriage. But, since support for gay marriage is not unanimous, coming out in favor of gay marriage would be likewise divisive. As mentioned, liberals support all kinds of diversity, except diversity of opinion. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2010, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-lonesome-polecats-charges-be-debunked/561486/116 "2010-11-23T16:34:17Z")
Does it hurt to contort like that? ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2010, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-lonesome-polecats-charges-be-debunked/561486/117 "2010-11-23T16:38:01Z")
**Shodan** , you _do_ know that legalizing gay marriage doesn’t mean you have to have one, right? “Endorsement of gay marriage” smacks of explicit approval. I can believe that gay and lesbian couples should be able to marry without _approving_ of their marriages, though, because I’m cool like that. For that matter, I also believe straight people should be able to marry- even you- but I don’t approve. It’s not that I _disapprove_. It’s that I don’t give a fuck. Granted, there are people who do actually give a fuck, and if Prejean answered as one of them would answer, she’d be endorsing gay marriage. She could just have adopted the middle course, however, which would be to acknowledge that it’s up to the states to decide. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2010, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-lonesome-polecats-charges-be-debunked/561486/118 "2010-11-23T16:47:51Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Right - like I said, any answer other than an endorsement of gay marriage is considered divisive by proponents of gay marriage. But, since support for gay marriage is not unanimous, coming out in favor of gay marriage would be likewise divisive. You should have stopped here, because you have kind-of a valid point. The question would be difficult for any Miss USA contestant, regardless of her feelings on the subject, because whatever answer she gives is bound to offend someone and could adversely affect her shot at the title. Similarly, asking about her views on abortion or capital punishment or immigration. I suppose conceivably a sufficiently quick-witted contestant could respond in a manner that was strong but nuanced and even if a judge disagreed, the judge might respect her well-expressed views (and give her points for “poise”). I don’t know if I could come up with such an answer on short notice, especially if I was expecting a more vapid question like my views on world peace, so I don’t fault Prejean for what she said at the pageant, but rather for what she said later on when she had time to compose her thoughts. > [@](#): > > As mentioned, liberals support all kinds of diversity, except diversity of opinion. And this is where you compulsively undermine yourself by trying to play the victim. There are plenty of examples of conservatives engaging in this kind of behaviour with circumstances far worse than what happened to Prejean. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2010, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-lonesome-polecats-charges-be-debunked/561486/119 "2010-11-23T16:51:19Z")
Yeah, but conservatives don’t support _any_ kind of diversity, so it’s okay if they do it. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2010, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-lonesome-polecats-charges-be-debunked/561486/120 "2010-11-23T16:59:43Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Right - like I said, any answer other than an endorsement of gay marriage is considered divisive by proponents of gay marriage. But, since support for gay marriage is not unanimous, coming out in favor of gay marriage would be likewise divisive. > > As mentioned, liberals support all kinds of diversity, except diversity of opinion. Bullshit. Being against intolerance is not a form of intolerance. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-lonesome-polecats-charges-be-debunked/561486.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-lonesome-polecats-charges-be-debunked/561486.md?page=7)