# Can Mike Huckabee win the GOP nomination and the presidency? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 26, 2015, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-mike-huckabee-win-the-gop-nomination-and-the-presidency/738603 "2015-11-26T04:40:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2015, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-mike-huckabee-win-the-gop-nomination-and-the-presidency/738603/81 "2015-11-27T03:51:28Z")
> [@GloryDays](#): > > No, this is real. You’re from NYC it seems. You know these white, blue-collar enclaves in Queens and Staten Island very well. They want order and justice. > > [http://www.nytimes.com/1994/10/08/nyregion/the-1994-campaign-queens-voters-voters-give-cuomo-a-struggle-on-his-home-turf.html](http://www.nytimes.com/1994/10/08/nyregion/the-1994-campaign-queens-voters-voters-give-cuomo-a-struggle-on-his-home-turf.html) A 1994 article? Really? They want order and justice, which were Nixon’s code words for the Southern strategy? They’re old school Democrats, which is code for the type of Democrat squeezed out of the party and gleefully taken up by Southern Republicans to form the Red States? They’re thankfully dying off but we should listen to them? Never mind. I’m still wondering why someone would join a message board to tell us that the country should be run based on the opinions of a couple of insane bigots. Not his own opinions. Heaven forfend. Other peoples’ opinions. Why indeed? ---
**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2015, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-mike-huckabee-win-the-gop-nomination-and-the-presidency/738603/82 "2015-11-27T03:59:10Z")
> [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#): > > A 1994 article? Really? They want order and justice, which were Nixon’s code words for the Southern strategy? They’re old school Democrats, which is code for the type of Democrat squeezed out of the party and gleefully taken up by Southern Republicans to form the Red States? They’re thankfully dying off but we should listen to them? > > Never mind. I’m still wondering why someone would join a message board to tell us that the country should be run based on the opinions of a couple of insane bigots. Not his own opinions. Heaven forfend. Other peoples’ opinions. Why indeed? ^There attitudes are exactly why the Democrats have been getting creamed in Congressional and state-level races. The simple fact is without them the Democrats are never going to achieve anything approaching a national majority outside of the Presidency. ---
**Author:** ![GloryDays](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e9c0ed/32.png) [@GloryDays](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GloryDays)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2015, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-mike-huckabee-win-the-gop-nomination-and-the-presidency/738603/83 "2015-11-27T04:18:13Z")
> [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#): > > A 1994 article? Really? They want order and justice, which were Nixon’s code words for the Southern strategy? They’re old school Democrats, which is code for the type of Democrat squeezed out of the party and gleefully taken up by Southern Republicans to form the Red States? They’re thankfully dying off but we should listen to them? > > Never mind. I’m still wondering why someone would join a message board to tell us that the country should be run based on the opinions of a couple of insane bigots. Not his own opinions. Heaven forfend. Other peoples’ opinions. Why indeed? I’m not agreeing with them. However, it’s important to listen to all opinions. These people are fed up and if things don’t change, they may take things in their own hands - at the ballot box. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2015, 4:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-mike-huckabee-win-the-gop-nomination-and-the-presidency/738603/84 "2015-11-27T04:37:58Z")
> [@GloryDays](#): > > They feel disilluisioned. From what illusion, exactly? ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2015, 4:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-mike-huckabee-win-the-gop-nomination-and-the-presidency/738603/85 "2015-11-27T04:38:58Z")
> [@GloryDays](#): > > I’m not agreeing with them. However, it’s important to listen to all opinions. These people are fed up and if things don’t change, they may take things in their own hands - at the ballot box. It’s also important to tell them their ideas and outlook are fucking stupid, especially when armed with out of date blathering on YouTube. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2015, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-mike-huckabee-win-the-gop-nomination-and-the-presidency/738603/86 "2015-11-27T04:40:17Z")
> [@GloryDays](#): > > However, it’s important to listen to all opinions. Not **all** , no. The “friends” you describe are as properly dismissible as Communists or Anarchists or Libertarians or White Nationalists or Scientologists. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2015, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-mike-huckabee-win-the-gop-nomination-and-the-presidency/738603/87 "2015-11-27T04:47:02Z")
> [@GloryDays](#): > > These people are fed up and if things don’t change, they may take things in their own hands - at the ballot box. See post #71. ---
**Author:** ![GloryDays](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e9c0ed/32.png) [@GloryDays](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GloryDays)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2015, 4:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-mike-huckabee-win-the-gop-nomination-and-the-presidency/738603/88 "2015-11-27T04:48:36Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > From what illusion, exactly? They voted for Giuliani in 1989 (Giuliani lost to David Dinkins in '89), 1993, 1997. They voted for Bloomberg in 2001, 2005, 2009. They won. They voted for Joe Lhota against Bill de Blasio in 2013. Lhota lost in a landslide. That crushed them. They see leadership. I believe that they are swing voters. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2015, 4:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-mike-huckabee-win-the-gop-nomination-and-the-presidency/738603/89 "2015-11-27T04:49:56Z")
> [@GloryDays](#): > > They voted for Giuliani in 1989 (Giuliani lost to David Dinkins in '89), 1993, 1997. They voted for Bloomberg in 2001, 2005, 2009. They won. They voted for Joe Lhota against Bill de Blasio in 2013. Lhota lost in a landslide. That crushed them. They see leadership. I believe that they are swing voters. None of that answers the question. Disilluisioned from what illusion, exactly? ---
**Author:** ![GloryDays](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e9c0ed/32.png) [@GloryDays](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GloryDays)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2015, 4:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-mike-huckabee-win-the-gop-nomination-and-the-presidency/738603/90 "2015-11-27T04:57:20Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > None of that answers the question. Disilluisioned from what illusion, exactly? Affirmative action, maybe integration in the military. ---
**Author:** ![GloryDays](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e9c0ed/32.png) [@GloryDays](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GloryDays)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2015, 5:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-mike-huckabee-win-the-gop-nomination-and-the-presidency/738603/91 "2015-11-27T05:01:58Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > None of that answers the question. Disilluisioned from what illusion, exactly? While we’re discussing this, it is good that we are having a good, principled discussion about these issues about race, religion, sociology, etc. It’s important. ---
**Author:** ![42fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/4/b487fb/32.png) [@42fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/42fish)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2015, 5:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-mike-huckabee-win-the-gop-nomination-and-the-presidency/738603/92 "2015-11-27T05:02:13Z")
> [@GloryDays](#): > > No, but they are America’s silent majority… However, people that I know do and they are pissed off right now. You’ve said that it’s a whopping two of your friends who have these opinions. How exactly are you extrapolating from two people into concluding that they’re a majority, silent or otherwise? (Or is it that you have a grand total of three friends, which would make a pair a hefty majority?) ---
**Author:** ![GloryDays](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e9c0ed/32.png) [@GloryDays](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GloryDays)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2015, 5:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-mike-huckabee-win-the-gop-nomination-and-the-presidency/738603/93 "2015-11-27T05:13:40Z")
> [@42fish](#): > > You’ve said that it’s a whopping two of your friends who have these opinions. How exactly are you extrapolating from two people into concluding that they’re a majority, silent or otherwise? (Or is it that you have a grand total of three friends, which would make a pair a hefty majority?) I hear people at work saying the things my friends say. I heard my professor say bigoted and vicious things about minorities. It’s a silent majority who are thinking about the future of the country. I’m not part of them. ---
**Author:** ![42fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/4/b487fb/32.png) [@42fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/42fish)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2015, 5:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-mike-huckabee-win-the-gop-nomination-and-the-presidency/738603/94 "2015-11-27T05:27:13Z")
> [@GloryDays](#): > > It’s a silent majority who are thinking about the future of the country. Just FYI, the non-bigots out there are also thinking about the future of the country. Actually, considering that one of things you’ve said these friends are so upset about is … > [@GloryDays](#): > > maybe integration in the military …which started all the way back in 1948, I’d say this “silent majority” is mostly obsessing over the past ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2015, 5:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-mike-huckabee-win-the-gop-nomination-and-the-presidency/738603/95 "2015-11-27T05:37:00Z")
> [@GloryDays](#): > > I hear people at work saying the things my friends say. I heard my professor say bigoted and vicious things about minorities. It’s a silent majority who are thinking about the future of the country. I’m not part of them. Good for you, but, **they’re not a majority.** See post #71. Just accept it. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2015, 5:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-mike-huckabee-win-the-gop-nomination-and-the-presidency/738603/96 "2015-11-27T05:49:52Z")
> [@GloryDays](#): > > Affirmative action, maybe integration in the military. Neither of those are in any conceivable sense illusions, so, the question remains – your friends are “disillusioned” from what “illusion”? ---
**Author:** ![China\_Guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/779978/32.png) [@China\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/China_Guy)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2015, 6:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-mike-huckabee-win-the-gop-nomination-and-the-presidency/738603/97 "2015-11-27T06:00:04Z")
Dnftt ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Girl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Mighty\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Girl)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2015, 6:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-mike-huckabee-win-the-gop-nomination-and-the-presidency/738603/98 "2015-11-27T06:25:43Z")
Is this one those “my friend has a dick rash, what do you advice me, I mean him?” kind of thread? ---
**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2015, 9:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-mike-huckabee-win-the-gop-nomination-and-the-presidency/738603/99 "2015-11-27T09:26:26Z")
> [@GloryDays](#): > > I hear people at work saying the things my friends say. I heard my professor say bigoted and vicious things about minorities. It’s a silent majority who are thinking about the future of the country. I’m not part of them. Why not? I mean, you think your friends are patriots who want to restore honor to the military. Don’t you like honor? Don’t you want to respect the military? Aren’t you a patriot? Why don’t you believe what your friends believe, Glory? ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2015, 10:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-mike-huckabee-win-the-gop-nomination-and-the-presidency/738603/100 "2015-11-27T10:51:41Z")
Clearly the problem here is that bigots are discriminated against, not like it used to be. Used to be a bigot could stand up and speak his mind without fear of discrimination. What has America come to? 😉 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-mike-huckabee-win-the-gop-nomination-and-the-presidency/738603.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-mike-huckabee-win-the-gop-nomination-and-the-presidency/738603.md?page=6)