# Can my employer hire anybody other than cackling hens with HUGE ASSES? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 19, 2004, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-my-employer-hire-anybody-other-than-cackling-hens-with-huge-asses/235301 "2004-03-19T22:34:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![ultrafilter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/3d9bf3/32.png) [@ultrafilter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ultrafilter)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2004, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-my-employer-hire-anybody-other-than-cackling-hens-with-huge-asses/235301/61 "2004-03-20T04:36:10Z")
This reminds me of a girl I knew in college. She had the idea that in order to have a good future, she had to graduate in three years with a math degree (and a minor in CS). And apparently, she didn’t come in with too many credits. So she took six or seven classes, mostly technical, every semester. As you might expect, she was miserable. And there was no doubt about it, because she was very vocal about her misery, to whoever would listen. And it was her own damn fault, but she wouldn’t do anything about it. So yeah, I can see where the OP is coming from. People who create problems for themselves and sit there and bitch about it are really obnoxious. I can’t stand them. All the same, I wouldn’t hire him/her to communicate anything important. ---
**Author:** ![htns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ba8739/32.png) [@htns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/htns)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2004, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-my-employer-hire-anybody-other-than-cackling-hens-with-huge-asses/235301/62 "2004-03-20T04:41:24Z")
> [@Giraffe](#): > > Makes sense to me. Everyone knows that where there are huge asses, there’s a huge asshole not far away… Goatse? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2004, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-my-employer-hire-anybody-other-than-cackling-hens-with-huge-asses/235301/63 "2004-03-20T04:56:59Z")
::shudder:: ---
**Author:** ![rhinostylee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bc79bd/32.png) [@rhinostylee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rhinostylee)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2004, 5:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-my-employer-hire-anybody-other-than-cackling-hens-with-huge-asses/235301/64 "2004-03-20T05:35:26Z")
> [@Admiral Thistlebottom](#): > > I was making a point that your complaint is extremely trivial. If you don’t like it then get some earplugs or a different job, you stupid pigfucker. Calling me a stupid pigfucker doesn’t make your ass any smaller! Go fuck yourself you stupid pig! I already said that I’m looking for a different job, and I already used the “wax in your ears” comment . . . this makes you both unattentive and unoriginal. And, you’re clinging to your “metabolism” excuse . . . you sound a lot like the women I described in my original post! It takes a lot less effort to insult people that have an opinion on obesity than it is to get on the treadmill and transform yourself into the people you envy. I think you’re lazy and stupid. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2004, 5:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-my-employer-hire-anybody-other-than-cackling-hens-with-huge-asses/235301/65 "2004-03-20T05:55:26Z")
I can understand the point of the OP. There was a receptionist where I used to work who was a very nice young lady. She also happened to be heavy but that didn’t affect my opinion of her one way or the other. Over time I got to know her better and she’d stop by to chat with me from time to time. She was forever telling me about the diet she was about to start. When she did I would be very supportive. None of her diets lasted more than two days. It drove me nuts. Diet or don’t diet, I don’t give a shit, but don’t tell me you’re on a strict diet and then eat an entire package of mini donuts 45 minutes later. Especially don’t repeat this cycle every three weeks for the entire time I know you. Haj ---
**Author:** ![Admiral\_Thistlebottom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/77aa72/32.png) [@Admiral\_Thistlebottom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Admiral_Thistlebottom)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2004, 6:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-my-employer-hire-anybody-other-than-cackling-hens-with-huge-asses/235301/66 "2004-03-20T06:03:15Z")
> [@rhinostylee](#): > > Calling me a stupid pigfucker doesn’t make your ass any smaller! Go fuck yourself you stupid pig! Heh, I like how you assumed that I’m fat because I disagreed with your post… FTR I’m actually a bit underweight. No hard feelings though, I didn’t really take that much offense to what you said. Sometimes I just like hurling insults for the sake of it, and the Pit seems like as good a place as any. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![elfkin477](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a9a28c/32.png) [@elfkin477](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elfkin477)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2004, 6:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-my-employer-hire-anybody-other-than-cackling-hens-with-huge-asses/235301/67 "2004-03-20T06:05:57Z")
> [@Admiral Thistlebottom](#): > > Well fine, but I still don’t understand how someone else’s unhealthy lifestyle is harmful to you. Listening to people bitch and whine 8 hours a day is bad for mental health, and probably one’s blood pressure as well. I know it was for mine; fotunately I don’t work in an office that keeps a radio on NPR all day during an election year anymore so I’m happier 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Admiral\_Thistlebottom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/77aa72/32.png) [@Admiral\_Thistlebottom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Admiral_Thistlebottom)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2004, 6:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-my-employer-hire-anybody-other-than-cackling-hens-with-huge-asses/235301/68 "2004-03-20T06:08:46Z")
I can understand that… ASSHOLE! (This is The Pit, after all. 😃 ) ---
**Author:** ![rhinostylee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bc79bd/32.png) [@rhinostylee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rhinostylee)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2004, 8:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-my-employer-hire-anybody-other-than-cackling-hens-with-huge-asses/235301/69 "2004-03-20T08:55:06Z")
**Admiral Thistlebottom** , You can try to play it off all you want, but there’s no way you’ll convince me that you are anything other than a stupid fat bitch. Underweight . . . :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Zoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a4c791/32.png) [@Zoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoe)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2004, 12:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-my-employer-hire-anybody-other-than-cackling-hens-with-huge-asses/235301/70 "2004-03-20T12:29:52Z")
You can’t take your eyes off of their asses, can you? And you can’t focus and you can’t concentrate on your work because you keep thinking about their big plump abundant asses. And you can’t shut their voices out. And you can’t stop watching them eat. Those mouths open so wide for those donuts. They might swallow you. Those big asses might sit on you. And you _have_ to look at them. You can’t help yourself. So you want to control them because you can’t control yourself. And you can’t control your ears and you can’t control your eyes when they _have_ to look again at those asses. Sometime in the past a woman increased the spread of her lower body in order to give birth to you. After going through all that, I would have thought she would have taken the time to teach you better manners. Oh well. ---
**Author:** ![Zoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a4c791/32.png) [@Zoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoe)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2004, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-my-employer-hire-anybody-other-than-cackling-hens-with-huge-asses/235301/71 "2004-03-20T13:03:20Z")
And weight loss is a little more complex that what some of you have concluded. This is a really interesting recent report that pulls together information from several sources. Although there is still emphasis on healthy eating and exercise, that may not mean what you thing it means: > **[This Is What the Science Says About Cardio and Fat Loss](https://muscleevo.net/weight-loss-and-exercise/)** > > How much cardio should you do to lose weight? In truth, you don’t need to do any cardio at all. When it comes to weight loss, cardio is optional. Excerpt: > [@](#): > > Too much exercise can create a hormonal environment that encourages the storage of abdominal fat. > > When it comes to shedding fat while preserving lean muscle, one of the most important hormones is **testosterone**. Although testosterone is considered a muscle-building hormone, there are studies showing that it also helps to cut body fat. Lucky you, **rhino**! > [@](#): > > Unfortunately, too much exercise can lower testosterone. Endurance-trained men, for example, have lower testosterone levels than men of the same age who never exercise . Men with low testosterone levels are also more likely to develop a pot belly. > > Testosterone isn’t the only hormone that plays a role in the storage of fat. **Cortisol also has a strong influence — especially in women — on where fat is stored. Specifically, researchers from Yale have uncovered a link between the hormone cortisol and abdominal fat in otherwise slender women. > Cortisol is released by your adrenal glands in response to either physical or emotional stress. Whether it’s an extremely low-calorie diet, too much exercise, or a missed night of sleep, your body responds by raising cortisol levels.** > > In short, trying to make up for a poor diet by doing a lot of aerobic exercise is not a good idea. So cutting calories and exercise are _not necessarily_ the right way to go. The article explains. On the other hand, there are still other reasons why some people eat compulsively. These are still more complex. Recently there has been some success treating compulsive eating with anti-convulsive medications. Topamax is one. I return you now to a more perverted kind of compulsion – abundant ass observance. ---
**Author:** ![Admiral\_Thistlebottom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/77aa72/32.png) [@Admiral\_Thistlebottom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Admiral_Thistlebottom)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2004, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-my-employer-hire-anybody-other-than-cackling-hens-with-huge-asses/235301/72 "2004-03-20T15:03:25Z")
> [@rhinostylee](#): > > **Admiral Thistlebottom** , > > You can try to play it off all you want, but there’s no way you’ll convince me that you are anything other than a stupid fat bitch. > Underweight . . . > > :rolleyes: I really find it amusing that from my three or four posts in this thread, you assume a)I’m fat, b)I think being underweight is a good thing, and c) that I’m a woman… wrong on all counts. But I don’t know you and I you’re obviously a fucking moron, so I don’t have to try to convince you. ---
**Author:** ![Ilsa\_Lund](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/a6a055/32.png) [@Ilsa\_Lund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ilsa_Lund)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2004, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-my-employer-hire-anybody-other-than-cackling-hens-with-huge-asses/235301/73 "2004-03-20T15:56:38Z")
> [@Zoe](#): > > So cutting calories and exercise are not necessarily the right way to go. The article explains. I think you may have slightly misunderstood the basic biology underlying the study. Cortisol is a medium to long range stress hormone. After your body has been stimulated and releases adrenaline, which wears off quickly, you start producing cortisol in response to continued stress. The stress we are talking about here is _immense_. A 500 calorie deficit and 30 minutes on the treadmill will not promote fat retention due to cortisol levels. They are talking about “running 10 miles a day on 1000 calories” kind of stress. In an overweight person, the stress necessary to induce long term elevated levels of cortisol would likely kill them before they started retaining fat. To be quite blunt. ---
**Author:** ![Ilsa\_Lund](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/a6a055/32.png) [@Ilsa\_Lund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ilsa_Lund)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2004, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-my-employer-hire-anybody-other-than-cackling-hens-with-huge-asses/235301/74 "2004-03-20T16:03:22Z")
Also note that the article states that diet alone is a most effective weight loss method. Not a fad diet, a long term, balanced diet of whole clean foods. Later on in the article: > [@](#): > > A study completed at Appalachian State University also shows that aerobic exercise has little effect on body composition over a 12-week period [7]. > > The research team assigned a group of 91 obese women to one of four groups. Group one followed a restricted calorie diet (1,200 - 1,300 calories per day), while group two performed aerobic exercise for 45 minutes, five days each week. A third group combined exercise and diet. The fourth group acted as controls. > > The exercise-only group lost just three pounds. This is despite the fact they were exercising for almost four hours each week. Not surprisingly, the women combining diet and exercise got the best results, losing 16 pounds of fat. However, this was only one pound more than the group on the diet. These disappointing results led the researchers to conclude that aerobic exercise has only a “minor, nonsignificant effect” on fat loss. The major flaw here was so severely restricting the calories of the study group. For somoene who needs 2200 calories, giving them 1200 will cause them to retain fat. Why? Cortisol levels. Such extreme measures cause your body to go into “starvation mode” and fight gainst losing any of it’s precious fat. Even though aerobic exercise may not “significantly promote weight loss,” however dubious that claim is, it _will_ improve your cardiovascular health. That is a big concern for overweight people as well. Once again, anyone interested should check [www.johnstonefitness.com](http://www.johnstonefitness.com). Go to the forums as well, to see others who have lost weight eating right and exercising. Everything in moderation, including weight loss. ---
**Author:** ![rhinostylee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bc79bd/32.png) [@rhinostylee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rhinostylee)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2004, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-my-employer-hire-anybody-other-than-cackling-hens-with-huge-asses/235301/75 "2004-03-20T19:44:05Z")
> [@Admiral Thistlebottom](#): > > I really find it amusing that from my three or four posts in this thread, you assume a)I’m fat, b)I think being underweight is a good thing, and c) that I’m a woman… wrong on all counts. But I don’t know you and I you’re obviously a fucking moron, so I don’t have to try to convince you. a) Yes I did assume that you are fat and I still believe so. b) Now you are the one making the assumption. Where in my post did I say that you thought being underweight was a good thing? However, I did assume that you mentioned you were underweight in an attempt to pretend that you weren’t fat. c) I did assume that you were a woman. But you know what? It doesn’t matter either way. Men can be bitches as well, and I still think that you’re a bitch. ---
**Author:** ![Admiral\_Thistlebottom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/77aa72/32.png) [@Admiral\_Thistlebottom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Admiral_Thistlebottom)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2004, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-my-employer-hire-anybody-other-than-cackling-hens-with-huge-asses/235301/76 "2004-03-20T20:04:35Z")
If I had wanted to lie I could have just as easily said that I’m an average weight. But anyway, here’s something to ponder: you’ve previously stated that you’re not attacking fat people in general, just fat people who live unhealthy lifestyles and complain about their weight. So fine. However, it’s interesting how in response to my posts, you’ve been freely throwing around the ‘fat’ label- regardless of its accuracy in this case- as if overweight and stupid are somehow equivalent. It’s also clear that you can’t imagine a non-obese person defending overweight people. Moroeover, if I was actually fat, how would you know if I fit the definition of the type of person you described in the OP? How would you know what my eating habits were? I guess you couldn’t. You seem to enjoy making broad generalizations about groups of people. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![rhinostylee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bc79bd/32.png) [@rhinostylee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rhinostylee)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2004, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-my-employer-hire-anybody-other-than-cackling-hens-with-huge-asses/235301/77 "2004-03-20T20:53:02Z")
> [@Admiral Thistlebottom](#): > > If I had wanted to lie I could have just as easily said that I’m an average weight. Yes, but if you wanted to separate yourself even further from fat people, saying that you’re underweight is even better, isn’t it? > [@Admiral Thistlebottom](#): > > But anyway, here’s something to ponder: you’ve previously stated that you’re not attacking fat people in general, just fat people who live unhealthy lifestyles and complain about their weight. So fine. However, it’s interesting how in response to my posts, you’ve been freely throwing around the ‘fat’ label- regardless of its accuracy in this case- as if overweight and stupid are somehow equivalent. It’s also clear that you can’t imagine a non-obese person defending overweight people. You are putting words in my mouth. I wasn’t freely throwing around the ‘fat’ label . . . I was specifically directing it toward you. Here’s something for you to ponder: you were quick to directly insult me immediately after my original post. > [@Admiral Thistlebottom](#): > > Fuck off, rhinostylee. Some people just gain a lot of weight because of their metabolism . . . blah blah blah. Remember that one? Being that the first words of yours that I ever read were “fuck off,” I was hardly inspired to be remotely respectful toward you. Being that you were so sensitive to the ‘fat’ topic, I specifically used ‘fat’ as an insult toward you. So it was not a broad generalization toward fat people, it was a specific insult toward you, not because fat = bad, but because fat = piss you off. > [@Admiral Thistlebottom](#): > > you’ve been freely throwing around the ‘fat’ label- regardless of its accuracy in this case- as if overweight and stupid are somehow equivalent. This is nothing more than an appeal to rally support for yourself. “Hey everybody . . . this guy says that all fat people are stupid!” I never implied that overweight people were stupid. I specifically stated that you were stupid. You are taking my insults toward you and projecting it on fat people, which is your problem, not mine. > [@Admiral Thistlebottom](#): > > Moroeover, if I was actually fat, how would you know if I fit the definition of the type of person you described in the OP? How would you know what my eating habits were? I guess you couldn’t. You seem to enjoy making broad generalizations about groups of people. Once again, you are trying to accuse me of making broad generalizations from very specific descriptions. My OP was about the women at work . . . it was not a broad generalization! You’re trying to turn it into one. My assumptions about your weight/eating habits/laziness were insults directed at you . . . not broad generalizations! And you deserved the insults, too. What else would you expect when the first thing you do is tell me to fuck off? I think it’s funny that you start your entries in this thread saying to fuck off, call me a pig fucker and a fucking moron, and now you’re trying to pretend that you are this mature and politically correct defender of the wrongly oppressed. So, to you **Admiral Thistlebottom** , I say fuck you and fuck your mom. (This was a direct insult towards your mother, not all mothers.) And I shan’t forget to roll my eyes at you once more . . . :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![cheesepickles](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/57b2e6/32.png) [@cheesepickles](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cheesepickles)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2004, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-my-employer-hire-anybody-other-than-cackling-hens-with-huge-asses/235301/78 "2004-03-20T21:58:07Z")
Aren’t fat people, like chronic smokers, helping to make sure that health insurance will cost as much as it does? I’m talking irresponsibly fat people like the OP mentions, those who continually eat horrible junk food and exercise little if at all. That’s how being a fat slob concerns me. If you smoke or drink all your life and then, surprise surprise!, find out you have lung cancer, liver cancer, emphysema or god knows what else-isn’t that partly your fault? Couldn’t that have been prevented somewhat? Nobody forced you to drink or smoke, but know we all have to pay the price with absurd medical care costs. (I realize this is just one cause for this, but it certianly contributes) Is being obese that much different? True, there are some people who can eat very little and exercise much and still hold on to their fat. But I see many fat people clinging to this bullshit excuse, and frankly, it’s wearing thin. Are you telling me there is nothing you can do to eat better, exercise some and try to have a relatively healthy lifestyle so that you don’t have a heart attack at 30? Obesity clearly causes a whole list of medical problems, which can be very exspensive to treat later on, but ones that are also PREVENTABLE. ---
**Author:** ![j666](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de0a6/32.png) [@j666](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/j666)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2004, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-my-employer-hire-anybody-other-than-cackling-hens-with-huge-asses/235301/79 "2004-03-20T23:06:16Z")
cheesepickles post comes as no surprise to me; I knew this was coming. ---
**Author:** ![rhinostylee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bc79bd/32.png) [@rhinostylee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rhinostylee)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2004, 7:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-my-employer-hire-anybody-other-than-cackling-hens-with-huge-asses/235301/80 "2004-03-21T07:45:49Z")
> [@j66](#): > > cheesepickles post comes as no surprise to me; I knew this was coming. You knew that somebody was going to make a valid point? I didn’t know if one was coming, but I was glad to see it when it did. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-my-employer-hire-anybody-other-than-cackling-hens-with-huge-asses/235301.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-my-employer-hire-anybody-other-than-cackling-hens-with-huge-asses/235301.md?page=5)