[QUOTE=uglybeech]
Can we just clarify something? It’s sounding to me like you’re talking about wanting to kill the homeless.
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Nothing against the homeless. Don’t know how you could confuse me there. I’m talking about voilent, cold-hearted hate-freaks that live among us and do horrible, :dubious: horrible things to us (good folks) and those we love. Home or no home has nothing to do with it.
[QUOTE=sockswsandals]
Are you looking for someone to answer your question, or rather for someone to agree with you that “these kids of scumbags” do in fact deserve the punishments you describe? Why if vengeance is the purview of the Lord is it so important to so many conservatives to mete out said vengeance here on Earth? Do we think that God is somehow lacking in this area of His omnipotence?
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The greatest gift God gave us is our common sense, I think. So I can’t see why He would mind us looking out for ourselves and our children if we see fit to expedite a few bastards to meet with Him. Why should we foot the bill?
[QUOTE=benny73]
Why should we foot the bill?
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not to get all religious (since I’m certainly not) but the christian god expressly reserves the right to judge and mete out vengeance to himself and nobody else :\
that being said, when it comes right down to it, if it’s you or him that’s gotta go, I think we all know the answer… it’s ain’t me going down.
[QUOTE=benny73]
You guys could give me some credit for my restraint, I should think, instead of getting after me for being a guy that admits to having such thoughts. I guess neither of you can see that society at large is held hostage to these kinds of scumbags, and that if we’re honest about things we need not look too deeply to see that to a very large extent it’s the “give-'em-milk-and-cookies” folks among us that has played a major role in allowing this god-awful mess to develope to the degree that it has. (Sorry if that sounds a little harsh, just being honest is all.)
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Society at large is ‘held hostage’ by these people? No, I’d say that cases like this are thankfully few, but modern mass media lets everyone know of every grisly incident that much easier. And I consider it pretty cheeky to blame violent crime on wet liberals who aren’t harsh enough in punishment. Was there no murder or rape before those damned soppy sociologists came along? The conservative assumption that a harsher prison regime will solve everything is also flawed, as without some attempt at rehabilitation, criminals will almost ineviatbly go on to reoffend. That’s not to say that some violent offenders shouldn’t be banged up in secure mental institutions for the rest of their days.
[QUOTE=benny73]
And, too, I’d bet that if you were to talk with the beautiful woman that crossed paths with the monster mentioned in the news article, the woman that bought a meal for a guy down on his luck, a woman guilty of permitting the scum of the scum to use her shower, she’d probably say that she used to think just like you guys – but NO MORE!
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I would find it very sad that the incident had cost her her faith in humanity. And it would be quite understandable given the trauma she suffered - but I don’t see why that should encourage people ostensibly on her side to fantasise about violent retribution
[QUOTE=benny73]
One thing I’ve never understood about people that think like you guys do is why is it that one NEVER hears about any of you using your great political might to arrange to take these violent types of scumbags into YOUR homes and reabilitate them with your love? (Please don’t say that that’s what prison guards are for, because they don’t deserve to have to make a living by risking their lives with these kinds of creatures being near them … when they could just as easily be chained in the middle of your livingrooms instead.)
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Now who’s being ‘milk ‘n’ cookies’? You want a criminal chained in the middle of my living room with colour TV, PS2 and central heating? To reverse the situation, why don’t people who think like you guys want to have electric chairs installed in your living rooms? (maybe you do - don’t answer that…)
[QUOTE=benny73]
Sure, in this cockeyed world it sounds so noble to shoot down (with words) people such as myself that see all the crap for what it is, making us out to be something we’re not; but deep inside your God-given common sense you know that your arguments don’t hold water.
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It is more noble to want to lead by non-violent example, and reject eye-for-an-eye retribution. So-called ‘common sense’ is often nothing more than animalistic gut reaction, which will inevitably prefer straightforward vengeance. Thank goodness there are some people capable of ‘uncommon’ sense..
[QUOTE=Staggerlee]
Society at large is ‘held hostage’ by these people? No, I’d say that cases like this are thankfully few, but modern mass media lets everyone know of every grisly incident that much easier. And I consider it pretty cheeky to blame violent crime on wet liberals who aren’t harsh enough in punishment. Was there no murder or rape before those damned soppy sociologists came along? The conservative assumption that a harsher prison regime will solve everything is also flawed, as without some attempt at rehabilitation, criminals will almost ineviatbly go on to reoffend. That’s not to say that some violent offenders shouldn’t be banged up in secure mental institutions for the rest of their days.
I would find it very sad that the incident had cost her her faith in humanity. And it would be quite understandable given the trauma she suffered - but I don’t see why that should encourage people ostensibly on her side to fantasise about violent retribution
Now who’s being ‘milk ‘n’ cookies’? You want a criminal chained in the middle of my living room with colour TV, PS2 and central heating? To reverse the situation, why don’t people who think like you guys want to have electric chairs installed in your living rooms? (maybe you do - don’t answer that…)
It is more noble to want to lead by non-violent example, and reject eye-for-an-eye retribution. So-called ‘common sense’ is often nothing more than animalistic gut reaction, which will inevitably prefer straightforward vengeance. Thank goodness there are some people capable of ‘uncommon’ sense..
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How can I respond to you the way I’d like to when you, in an earlier post I’d written, were so generous with your time and help? It’s not fair. :smack:
[QUOTE=benny73]
How can I respond to you the way I’d like to when you, in an earlier post I’d written, were so generous with your time and help? It’s not fair. :smack:
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Generous? Not like me at all. You don’t need to pen some personal attack, anyway. I’m only arguing a case, not trying to pick a fight. 
Okay.
You’re just wrong about everything you said. I don’t know what else to say.
Singapore. Yes, that’s it! Think Singapore.