# Can one cast member ruin a TV show for you? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 25, 2016, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-one-cast-member-ruin-a-tv-show-for-you/750079 "2016-03-25T01:21:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2016, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-one-cast-member-ruin-a-tv-show-for-you/750079/61 "2016-03-25T19:49:37Z")
> [@kunilou](#): > > [Patrick Warburton.](http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0911320/) I don’t like his smug expression, I don’t like his flat delivery, and I don’t even like his phyiscally presence in a scene. > > I didn’t like him as Puddy, I didn’t watch _Rules of Engagement_ because of him even more than because of David Spade, and based on the one episode I saw, I’m not going to be watching him in _Crowded_, either. Good choice. I totally stopped watching National Rental Car commercials; swapping Patricks (Stewart for Warburton), what were they thinking? > [@DrDeth](#): > > One of the best voice actors around, however. He was great as Kronk. And not so bad as Agent T in MIB2. > [@Superdude](#): > > And great as the live-action Tick Warburton had the look for The Tick, and maybe the voice, but never the attitude. I just don’t think he can ever come off as anything other than world-weary and cynical, and The Tick is earnestness dialed up to 11. The cartoon version nailed it. ---
**Author:** ![bump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7c8e57/32.png) [@bump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bump)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2016, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-one-cast-member-ruin-a-tv-show-for-you/750079/62 "2016-03-25T20:11:40Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > One of the best voice actors around, however. He was great as Kronk. And not so bad as Agent T in MIB2. He’s amazing as Brock Samson in “The Venture Brothers”. As in, seeing re-runs of him on Seinfeld as Puddy, or in Rules of Engagement, or whatever, I wonder why Brock’s voice is coming out of that dark-haired guy. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2016, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-one-cast-member-ruin-a-tv-show-for-you/750079/63 "2016-03-25T20:19:18Z")
David Schwimmer made _Friends_ unwatchable. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2016, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-one-cast-member-ruin-a-tv-show-for-you/750079/64 "2016-03-25T21:54:22Z")
Allison Pill in **The Newsroom**. If they have an episode where she handcuffed, ducktaped and tossed into the river in a burlap sack, I might tune in. ---
**Author:** ![TBG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c89c15/32.png) [@TBG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TBG)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2016, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-one-cast-member-ruin-a-tv-show-for-you/750079/65 "2016-03-25T22:49:09Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > What immediately comes to mind is **Dollhouse** , a cleverly-written Joss Whedon series about people who have their minds wiped and personalities replaced with made-to-order personalities as playthings for the very wealthy. It’s a fun premise, with a lot of potential, and a plum job for any actor worth her salt–you get to play a new character each episode, with new mannerisms, accents, speech patterns, etc.! > > Except Eliza Dushku was cast as the lead, and Dushku plays the tough jaded city babe really well but can’t play another part to save her life. The backup actors were all so much better than her. I stopped watching just because I couldn’t suspend disbelief any more. Actually Eliza Dushku was the whole reason that show existed in the first place, it started as a project for her and then Joss came in. At least that’s what I read somewhere (years ago, no cite). I do agree others were better on the show. I really liked the performance of the guy playing Victor. ---
**Author:** ![TBG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c89c15/32.png) [@TBG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TBG)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2016, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-one-cast-member-ruin-a-tv-show-for-you/750079/66 "2016-03-25T22:54:25Z")
> [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > Conversely, _Happy Days_ was never the same after Chuck left. Which Chuck? There were at least 2 or 3 before he vanished. ---
**Author:** ![Infovore](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/infovore/32/420_2.png) [@Infovore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Infovore)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2016, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-one-cast-member-ruin-a-tv-show-for-you/750079/67 "2016-03-25T23:14:56Z")
I haven’t actually watched the show so I’m not sure this qualifies, but every time I see promos for _The Mentalist_, that smarmy, weird-looking guy who’s the star just turns me completely off of ever wanting to give it a chance. He’s got the kind of face I’d like to punch (assuming I punched people in the face, which I don’t). I’m not sure what it is about him that affects me that way, but I doubt I’ll be watching his show any time soon. Kind of a shame, because I just took a look at the premise on Wikipedia and it seems like it would be right up my alley. ---
**Author:** ![Peremensoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ce7236/32.png) [@Peremensoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peremensoe)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2016, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-one-cast-member-ruin-a-tv-show-for-you/750079/68 "2016-03-25T23:31:39Z")
> [@SpoilerVirgin](#): > > He kept that promise until after O’Hare died. Per your wiki link, Straczynski kept the promise, period; O’Hare asked for the truth to be revealed upon his death. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2016, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-one-cast-member-ruin-a-tv-show-for-you/750079/69 "2016-03-26T02:52:47Z")
> [@TBG](#): > > Which Chuck? There were at least 2 or 3 before he vanished. No there wasn’t. Just the one, played by [Gavan O’Herlihy](http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0641398/?ref_=ttfc_fc_cl_t27) in the first season. Even though he played the older brother, he was actually a couple months younger than Ron Howard. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2016, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-one-cast-member-ruin-a-tv-show-for-you/750079/70 "2016-03-26T02:57:15Z")
> [@Infovore](#): > > I haven’t actually watched the show so I’m not sure this qualifies, but every time I see promos for _The Mentalist_, that smarmy, weird-looking guy who’s the star just turns me completely off of ever wanting to give it a chance. He’s got the kind of face I’d like to punch (assuming I punched people in the face, which I don’t). I’m not sure what it is about him that affects me that way, but I doubt I’ll be watching his show any time soon. Kind of a shame, because I just took a look at the premise on Wikipedia and it seems like it would be right up my alley. Watch “Psych” instead. Similar set-up, but funnier, and with better chemistry between the cast. Netflix has it streaming. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2016, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-one-cast-member-ruin-a-tv-show-for-you/750079/71 "2016-03-26T03:02:15Z")
> [@TBG](#): > > Which Chuck? There were at least 2 or 3 before he vanished. > [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > No there wasn’t. Just the one, played by [Gavan O’Herlihy](http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0641398/?ref_=ttfc_fc_cl_t27) in the first season. Even though he played the older brother, he was actually a couple months younger than Ron Howard. Well balls. You are correct. Now I see an actor named Randolph Roberts played Chuck in two episodes. But it’s O’Herlihy I’ll always remember. I can’t recall Roberts at all. ---
**Author:** ![Lorne\_Armstrong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/87869e/32.png) [@Lorne\_Armstrong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lorne_Armstrong)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2016, 10:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-one-cast-member-ruin-a-tv-show-for-you/750079/72 "2016-03-26T10:45:13Z")
Three in the world of Doctor Who: Adric, Nyssa, and worst of all, Melanie. Actually, most of the characters created and cast by John Nathan-Turner were pretty bad. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2016, 11:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-one-cast-member-ruin-a-tv-show-for-you/750079/73 "2016-03-26T11:19:06Z")
> [@kunilou](#): > > [Patrick Warburton.](http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0911320/) I don’t like his smug expression, I don’t like his flat delivery, and I don’t even like his phyiscally presence in a scene. > > I didn’t like him as Puddy, I didn’t watch _Rules of Engagement_ because of him even more than because of David Spade, and based on the one episode I saw, I’m not going to be watching him in _Crowded_, either. If you ever get out to Disney’s California Adventure, I suggest you give _Soarin’ Over California_ a miss. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2016, 11:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-one-cast-member-ruin-a-tv-show-for-you/750079/74 "2016-03-26T11:24:07Z")
> [@bump](#): > > He’s amazing as Brock Samson in “The Venture Brothers”. As in, seeing re-runs of him on Seinfeld as Puddy, or in Rules of Engagement, or whatever, I wonder why Brock’s voice is coming out of that dark-haired guy. I have a similar reaction to seeing live-action H. Jon Benjamin ---
**Author:** ![Pai325](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c68b51/32.png) [@Pai325](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pai325)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2016, 12:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-one-cast-member-ruin-a-tv-show-for-you/750079/75 "2016-03-26T12:39:21Z")
> [@ftg](#): > > You can’t mention _Major Crimes_ without people denouncing the actor Graham Patrick Martin and his character Rusty. Annoying on every single front. I now hate the name Rusty. > > There was even an in-show reference earlier this season to how many people on the Internet hated Rusty. > > His character is also part of the terrible non-procedural “personal” stuff that degrades many cop/law shows. So even if he could act and the character made sense, it would still detract from the show. > > Ross on _Friends_ was a frequent hole of suckitude. Oh yes! Every time it comes on, I think, “Maybe Rusty will get hit by a car this week.” Can’t they just send that kid off to college? Or to the army? Or to space? ---
**Author:** ![Eclipse\_Chaser](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@Eclipse\_Chaser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eclipse_Chaser)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2016, 12:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-one-cast-member-ruin-a-tv-show-for-you/750079/76 "2016-03-26T12:55:25Z")
Neelix. ---
**Author:** ![MagicEyes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/5daacb/32.png) [@MagicEyes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MagicEyes)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2016, 1:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-one-cast-member-ruin-a-tv-show-for-you/750079/77 "2016-03-26T13:21:08Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > \*\*Can one cast member ruin a TV show for you? > > \*\*Absolutely. I tried getting into Mr. Selfridge but couldn’t take Jeremy Piven’s overacting. Ruined the whole friggin thing, he did. Are you me?! :eek: I wanted to watch that show, but he was so very very bad. He is so bad he should be banned from acting before he ruins anything else. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2016, 1:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-one-cast-member-ruin-a-tv-show-for-you/750079/78 "2016-03-26T13:30:29Z")
> [@Superdude](#): > > Watch “Psych” instead. Similar set-up, but funnier, and with better chemistry between the cast. Netflix has it streaming. Oh man, I want to punch Shawn Spenser in the face. And probably the actor, too. If I were the type to punch strangers. And the sooner Major Crimes can stop being The Rusty Show, the better. I don’t think it ever will. I think MC is different than The Closer because TC was a cop show with some personal drama, but MC is a family show that takes place primarily in a police station. ---
**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2016, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-one-cast-member-ruin-a-tv-show-for-you/750079/79 "2016-03-26T14:31:14Z")
I’ve never seen 30 Rock because I cannot stand the Baldwin brothers. There’s something in their faces that creeps the hell out of me. ---
**Author:** ![phantom\_lamb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/5f9b8f/32.png) [@phantom\_lamb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/phantom_lamb)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2016, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-one-cast-member-ruin-a-tv-show-for-you/750079/80 "2016-03-26T14:50:12Z")
> [@Mean\_Mr.Mustard](#): > > I’d heard good things about **Dexter**. I made it through about an episode and a half before I shut it off - never to return - because of the title character’s sister. > mmm Trust me I felt the same for the first few episodes but after a while she undergoes some serious character changes in her behavior and speech and is even likeable at some point. That said, you shouldn’t watch Dexter for other reasons, cause the last 4 seasons sucked hard. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-one-cast-member-ruin-a-tv-show-for-you/750079.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-one-cast-member-ruin-a-tv-show-for-you/750079.md?page=5)