# Can right and left agree on anything? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 19, 2017, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094 "2017-11-19T19:28:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2017, 12:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/201 "2017-11-21T12:07:52Z")
> [@DUCKofDEATH](#): > > Just like a Democrat to say something like that. A few decades ago, they’d be asking why they can’t lynch black people. What is it with Democrats and wearing hoods? A few decades ago it was right-wingers holding rallies and demanding that Jews and minorities be persecuted and killed. And it still is. What is it with right-wingers? > [@DUCKofDEATH](#): > > It’s always Democrats doing the bad thing first. Republicans are slow to retaliate because we’re saddled with excessively strong morals. It’s a handicap. Now you’re just trolling us because this is nonsense. Incidentally I notice that you’re using “Democrats” and “Republicans” instead of “right” and “left” so that you can lump in things that right-wingers did back before the Southern strategy. How open and honest of you. > [@](#): > > Democrats aren’t interested in playing fair. They cheat their own (as Bernie learned, to his amazement), so you know they’ll cheat their opponents. Ahh, projection. Meanwhile the Republicans have spent years on strategy to suppress Democratic voting rather than, you know, coming up with policies people want to vote for. Because that’s what non-cheaters do, right? > [@](#): > > The reason so many Republicans love Trump is because he fights just like Democrats do: dirty. They love him because he’s an asshole that justifies them being assholes. > [@](#): > > We’re heartily sick of fielding decent gentlemen like Bush and Romney, …and Newt Gingrich and Roy Moore and Mark Foley and Dennis Hastert… > [@](#): > > only to have Democrats call them Hitler. Now we’ve got a bare knuckle brawler thumping on the Left …defending actual Nazis. Hmm. > [@](#): > > Absolutely. Which is why we need to force the media to be evenhanded. Or strip them of their licenses and let someone else try. And who gets to decide what “evenhanded” is? You? > [@](#): > > All we have is Fox News and Breitbart. The Left has all the other media. Well, except for the rest of the [News Corp media](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/News_Corp), and the [Sinclair Broadcast Group](https://www.theguardian.com/media/2017/aug/17/sinclair-news-media-fox-trump-white-house-circa-breitbart-news) (which are forced to broadcast right-wing propaganda as part of their news coverage) and radio networks such as Cumulus and Genesis, and then there’s the Blaze and Infowars and …my goodness, you appear to have left off vast swathes of blatantly propandistic right-wing media? Why do you suppose that is? > [@](#): > > You really should take a step back and read what you’re writing because it’s absurd. The mainstream media is exclusively Leftist. Well, except for all the media outlets you conveniently forgot about. > [@](#): > > Strip the major broadcasters of their licenses because their biased news coverage is hurting America. Then the next guys would learn. We’d only have to do it once. Gosh, that sounds almost…fascist. What is it about right-wingers and suppressing dissenting views again? As for **Clothahump** , the thing to remember is that he doesn’t think he’s lying because most of the time _he’s also lying to himself_. He genuinely believes that liberals are all socialist atheists who hate America and the Constitution, and he believes it because every news source he follows (and I’m basing this on the ones he actually uses for citations here) constantly reinforces that message. He is a conservative Wonko the Sane, concluding that since everywhere he looks he’s seeing the world through a thin film of soap, it must be the rest of the world that’s in a bubble. After all, it couldn’t possibly be him because he’s a hard-headed realist - every source he listens to tells him so. And I genuinely dgaf whether the lawnmower story is true or not; the problem is so much bigger than that. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2017, 1:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/202 "2017-11-21T13:02:15Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > And I genuinely dgaf whether the lawnmower story is true or not; the problem is so much bigger than that. Word. I’m a lot less jittery in the morning since I switched to dgaf. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2017, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/203 "2017-11-21T15:15:42Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > And as usual, you would be wrong. And as your usual, you don’t bother explaining _why_ you say it’s wrong. Hello, [Player Queen](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_lady_doth_protest_too_much,_methinks)! ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2017, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/204 "2017-11-21T15:17:35Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > None of the above, Bryan, just pointing out liberal stupidity which ties your collective shorts in a knot. Deal with it. The hundreds of examples of your stupidity are now hundreds, plus one. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2017, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/205 "2017-11-21T15:23:06Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Really? Got proof of that? The part where you quoted an article that claimed liberals hate America, and pretended you were trying to initiate a debate. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2017, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/206 "2017-11-21T15:24:49Z")
So, conservatives are going to force the media to describe how much conservatives respect the Constitution? Is this one of those ploys where “The Constitution” and “The Bill of Rights” are considered separate entities? ---
**Author:** ![BeepKillBeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9e8a1a/32.png) [@BeepKillBeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeepKillBeep)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2017, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/207 "2017-11-21T15:38:58Z")
My suggestion for **Clothy** , learn to block, you’ve clearly taken too many kicks to the head. ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2017, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/208 "2017-11-21T15:52:18Z")
I have a theory that all the villains in fables and children’s stories are the equivalents of intellectual liberals of the time. Evil wizards, witches, and black knights are meanies who think they’re smarter than everybody else, eschew worship of God because they think they’re better, or kidnap the beautiful princess/eat children because they want to deprive good people of their paragons of morality and family values. So, we’re trained from birth to beware the intelligent, and conservatives tend to retain that maxim as they enter adulthood, and therefor continually suspect liberals of undermining their lives. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2017, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/209 "2017-11-21T16:05:43Z")
> [@Blue\_Max](#): > > @ OP > I really don’t understand this at all. > > Someone decides to post a piece dividing America into a camp they identify with, an other camp they ascribe all kinds of negatives without sources, wonders why America is divided, and after four pages, they have only personal attacks to offer? I’m assuming that you are referring to me. I haven’t offered any personal attacks. I’ve responded to a bunch of them, though. And those attacks actually go straight toward proving one of the elements in the list that everyone is so upset about. > [@](#): > > I’m sorry, but all this did is come off as rabid. It’s like the words defy the hope, and the actions give lie to any kind of trying to build common ground. > > If you really want common ground, don’t start with an attack. Start with the problem, and if the problem is “I really don’t understand why Liberals think this way…”, that’s something people can explore. Because the way this went, you look like part of the problem, like all you want is validation for a narrow worldview where you and Donald Trump are right and everyone else is wrong. No. Nice try, but no cigar. Here’s the problem: the list that everyone is so bent out of shape about is actually quite accurate. And that’s what has the collective liberal skivvies all knotted up here. No one likes to have it pointed out that while they are trying to portray themselves as having the high ground, they are actually screwing the pooch. Had this thread been left where I started it, we might have had some meaningful discussion about it, as I had hoped. But no, we can’t possibly have that, can we? It’s far more important to call me a cunt than to actually talk about the problems. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2017, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/210 "2017-11-21T16:13:22Z")
The list wasnt even an attempt to accurately portray liberals. It was an open attempt to bash the people you claim you want to have a meaningful discussion with. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2017, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/211 "2017-11-21T16:18:22Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Here’s the problem: the list that everyone is so bent out of shape about is actually quite accurate. And that’s what has the collective liberal skivvies all knotted up here. No one likes to have it pointed out that while they are trying to portray themselves as having the high ground, they are actually screwing the pooch. > > Had this thread been left where I started it, we might have had some meaningful discussion about it, as I had hoped. But no, we can’t possibly have that, can we? It’s far more important to call me a cunt than to actually talk about the problems. You might want to try agreeing with reality, and then we can talk about whether _we_ can agree with _you_. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2017, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/212 "2017-11-21T16:24:42Z")
> [@raventhief](#): > > The list wasnt even an attempt to accurately portray liberals. It was an open attempt to bash the people you claim you want to have a meaningful discussion with. And [that well](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=20057627#post20057627) has been poisoned for at least eight months. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2017, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/213 "2017-11-21T16:48:49Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Here’s the problem: the list that everyone is so bent out of shape about is actually quite accurate. And that’s what has the collective liberal skivvies all knotted up here. No one likes to have it pointed out that while they are trying to portray themselves as having the high ground, they are actually screwing the pooch. > > Had this thread been left where I started it, we might have had some meaningful discussion about it, as I had hoped. But no, we can’t possibly have that, can we? It’s far more important to call me a cunt than to actually talk about the problems. What problems? The problem that\* liberals hate America and its Constitution\*? Yeah, that’s going to be a good discussion. What did you expect in the way of a meaningful discussion? The only think on your “liberal” list that I can endorse is “Liberals mock Judeo-Christian values.” But that’s just me. Most liberals I know would never be so crass. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2017, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/214 "2017-11-21T16:52:28Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > What problems? The problem that\* liberals hate America and its Constitution\*? Yeah, that’s going to be a good discussion. What did you expect in the way of a meaningful discussion? > > The only think on your “liberal” list that I can endorse is “Liberals mock Judeo-Christian values.” But that’s just me. Most liberals I know would never be so crass. Do they mock the values themselves or do the mock the so-called practitioners? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2017, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/215 "2017-11-21T17:00:52Z")
The line between “stupid” and “troll” must be very wide since Clotha has built quite a mansion for himself on it. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2017, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/216 "2017-11-21T17:07:36Z")
While there may be some debate as to whether he is a troll, just stupid or both, the fact remains that he is deliberately being an asshole. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2017, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/217 "2017-11-21T17:08:47Z")
But can he be banned for being a jerk? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2017, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/218 "2017-11-21T18:26:56Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > But can he be banned for being a jerk? Lesser jerks have. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2017, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/219 "2017-11-22T00:26:57Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Here’s an idea. Meet us half way by not being a cunt and a deranged lunatic and we’ll stop calling you out as one. Sound reasonable? [Moderating] Calling other people “cunts” is a violation of the Pit’s language rules. Please avoid this in the future. No warning issued. [/Moderating] ---
**Author:** ![42fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/4/b487fb/32.png) [@42fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/42fish)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2017, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/220 "2017-11-22T00:56:22Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > None of the above, Bryan, just pointing out liberal stupidity which ties your collective shorts in a knot. And yet **Clothy** ’s ‘Stupid Liberal Idea of the Day’ thread is largely dependent on liberals to contribute actual examples\* of the titular phenomenon. (\*As opposed to the latest Fox/Breitbart trolling that **Clothy** fell for.) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094.md?page=12)