# Can right and left agree on anything? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 19, 2017, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094 "2017-11-19T19:28:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2017, 1:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/241 "2017-11-22T13:10:22Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Why? It’s pretty much your defining moment on this board. You were so incensed that icky liberals were being unkind to someone you liked, that your brain went from “half-power” to completely “off” and you spouted one of the most ridiculous thought experiments ever conceived. … in defending a man who raped children and will die in jail for it. Hmmmm. Conservatives and child rape. Two great things that go great together, I guess. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2017, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/242 "2017-11-22T14:06:59Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > You later admitted that it was indeed physically possible for a tall person to penetrate a short person from behind (as is obvious to anyone with an internet connection), so I’m not sure what point you’re trying to reinforce. What have I said to you every other time you’ve made this deliberately dishonest and mealy-mouthed claim? Surely you remember as I must have corrected you on it more than a dozen times. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2017, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/243 "2017-11-22T14:22:21Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Do they mock the values themselves or do the mock the so-called practitioners? I never mock sincerely held religious beliefs and I respect people who live their lives in accordance with those beliefs. However, I don’t believe that you get to impose your beliefs, no matter how sincere, on those that don’t believe as you do. I do mock hypocrisy, so if you are going to hold yourself up as a shining example of sexual fidelity and family values, you better practice what you preach. Because if you believe that homosexuality is a mortal sin I’m going to laugh and laugh and laugh when you get caught with your dick in some male hustlers mouth. If you preach about the sanctity of marriage I’m going to laugh and laugh when you get caught fucking your teenaged intern. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2017, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/244 "2017-11-22T15:14:46Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > What have I said to you every other time you’ve made this deliberately dishonest and mealy-mouthed claim? Surely you remember as I must have corrected you on it more than a dozen times. When you are in a Pit, maybe a shovel is not the right tool. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2017, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/245 "2017-11-22T15:38:00Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > … in defending a man who raped children and will die in jail for it. Starving Artist will probably crow that you’re wrong about this, therefore you’re wrong about everything, so in anticipation of that: SA was defending Joe Paterno, who was accused of turning a blind eye to and therefore enabling the predatory behaviour of Jerry Sandusky who, according to eyewitness Mike McQueary, sexually assaulted a child in Penn State shower room in 2001. SA never expressed doubt that the assault (or Sandusky’s numerous other assaults) took place or that Sandusky was guilty (that I can recall), but on the very specific charge of “child rape” on that very specific occasion, he suggested physical impossibility, bolstered by his now-infamous cardboard-tube test, on the grounds that if people were wrong about an act of “child rape” on that occasion, they must be wrong about everything, including Paterno. > [@](#): > > Hmmmm. Conservatives and child rape. Two great things that go great together, I guess. As I recall, Starving Artist seemed quite pleased every time the phrase “child rape” was used because he cheerfully and repeatedly pointed out that Sandusky was not specifically convicted of rape, therefore anyone using the phrase was wrong to do so, and by implication, wrong about everything, including Paterno who is therefore and somehow exonerated. It was clearly an act of desperation, like someone reading a list of accusations against Hitler and disputing the one about him kicking puppies, because he clearly loved dogs and would never hurt one, therefore _winning!_ We should indeed strive for historical accuracy and not embellish, but Starving Artist’s actions deserve to haunt him as long as he remains active on this board, and associated with our fading memories of him after he is gone. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2017, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/246 "2017-11-22T15:40:48Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > As for **Clothahump** , the thing to remember is that he doesn’t think he’s lying because most of the time _he’s also lying to himself_. [Exactly.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=20614294#post20614294) ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2017, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/247 "2017-11-22T16:54:47Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > I never mock sincerely held religious beliefs and I respect people who live their lives in accordance with those beliefs. However, I don’t believe that you get to impose your beliefs, no matter how sincere, on those that don’t believe as you do. IIRC, Clothy himself is an atheist, and has mocked people with religious beliefs. So he, of all people, shouldn’t be accusing liberals of sneering at “Judeo-Christian values”. ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2017, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/248 "2017-11-22T17:14:20Z")
I’m going to attempt to rewrite ClothaTrump’s talking points that he quoted to produce something more objective and not rely on opinion and conjecure. > [@](#): > > The Constitution? Conservatives believe in its sanctity and see no cause for amending the wisdom of the founding fathers. Liberals believe society changes and matures, and that some old values expressed in the Constitution are detrimental or counterproductive to a nation that hopes to be a world leader. > > Religion? Conservatives tend to believe in Judeo-Christian values. Even atheists who are conservative tend to at least be friendly to those values. Much like the Constitution, Liberals point out that some values established two thousand years ago don’t apply to current society and need to be re-examined. > > What about patriotism? Conservatives find security in identifying themselves as patriots. Liberals cannot accept blind devotion to any cause, much less patriotism. > > Conservatives tend to be capitalists. Liberals tend to be wary of the dangers of non-regulated capitalism. Conservatives believe people should be judged by the content of their character, not the color of their skin. Liberals believe minority races shouldn’t be excluded from the privileges and rights enjoyed by the majority white race. Both Conservatives and Liberals believe in equality of opportunity, but differ in deciding who is entitled to such opportunity. Both parties believe in freedom of speech and are fine with silencing people that disagree with them. Conservatives tend to beware of bureaucracy, seeing too many obstacles and inefficiency in the process. Liberals struggle with balancing new laws and regulations with efficiency of government, but are always looking for improvement. There. It won’t solve anything, but I made an effort. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2017, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/249 "2017-11-22T18:28:18Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > What have I said to you every other time you’ve made this deliberately dishonest and mealy-mouthed claim? Surely you remember as I must have corrected you on it more than a dozen times. It was this post: [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=15561018](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=15561018) I mean it’s a trivial claim, that a tall person can have sex with a short person… So you shouldn’t be so reticent about admitting it. Obviously tall people can bang short people, in a variety of positions, including standing, with knees bent, from behind. To tie it to this thread’s topic, I think right and left can agree that sex in that position is possible. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2017, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/250 "2017-11-22T18:44:54Z")
> [@Chisquirrel](#): > > сосать мой член, товарищ [Moderating] Posting in non-English languages is generally against the board rules, because we Moderators can’t moderate stuff we can’t read. In this case, Google Translate tells me that the phrase in question is “Suck my cock, friend.” Which is also against board rules. So knock it off. [/Moderating] ---
**Author:** ![Crybaby\_Boobie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crybaby_boobie/32/545_2.png) [@Crybaby\_Boobie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crybaby_Boobie)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2017, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/251 "2017-11-22T19:02:44Z")
Thanks for that translation though! ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2017, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/252 "2017-11-22T19:23:18Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > It was this post: > > [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=15561018](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=15561018) > > I mean it’s a trivial claim, that a tall person can have sex with a short person… So you shouldn’t be so reticent about admitting it. The reason I don’t “admit” it is that I never said it…and you know that perfectly well. Over time I’d forgotten what a dishonest person you are and had slowly come to believe that you were basically a good person, somewhat air headed (ala your ridiculous stance in the Charlie Rose/Al Franken threads) but nonetheless well-meaning. Thanks for reminding me that you’re just as dishonest as **Bryan Ekers** , albeit less strenuously. And has long been my practice, this is all I have to say here about the Paterno issue. While I can understand my erstwhile opponents’ desire to make an issue of the paper tubes, given that of all the significant allegations they made about Paterno were thoroughly debunked and the tubes are all they have left to make an issue of, any further discussion will need to take place in the appropriate thread. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2017, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/253 "2017-11-22T19:29:45Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Starving Artist will probably crow that you’re wrong about this, therefore you’re wrong about everything, so in anticipation of that: > > SA was defending Joe Paterno, who was accused of turning a blind eye to and therefore enabling the predatory behaviour of Jerry Sandusky who, according to eyewitness Mike McQueary, sexually assaulted a child in Penn State shower room in 2001. SA never expressed doubt that the assault (or Sandusky’s numerous other assaults) took place or that Sandusky was guilty (that I can recall), but on the very specific charge of “child rape” on that very specific occasion, he suggested physical impossibility, bolstered by his now-infamous cardboard-tube test, on the grounds that if people were wrong about an act of “child rape” on that occasion, they must be wrong about everything, including Paterno. > > As I recall, Starving Artist seemed quite pleased every time the phrase “child rape” was used because he cheerfully and repeatedly pointed out that Sandusky was not specifically convicted of rape, therefore anyone using the phrase was wrong to do so, and by implication, wrong about everything, including Paterno who is therefore and somehow exonerated. > > It was clearly an act of desperation, like someone reading a list of accusations against Hitler and disputing the one about him kicking puppies, because he clearly loved dogs and would never hurt one, therefore _winning!_ We should indeed strive for historical accuracy and not embellish, but Starving Artist’s actions deserve to haunt him as long as he remains active on this board, and associated with our fading memories of him after he is gone. I’m sure he did defend Paterno, but since Paterno wasn’t accused of fucking a kid in a bathroom, the “paper towel tube defense” was a defense of Sandusky. So I stand by what I said: He defended child rape by saying it wasn’t physically possible when we’ve nearly all seen enough porn (regardless of our tastes) to know that tall people screw short people standing up all the damned time. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2017, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/254 "2017-11-22T19:35:58Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > I’m sure he did defend Paterno, but since Paterno wasn’t accused of fucking a kid in a bathroom, the “paper towel tube defense” was a defense of Sandusky. So I stand by what I said: He defended child rape by saying it wasn’t physically possible when we’ve nearly all seen enough porn (regardless of our tastes) to know that tall people screw short people standing up all the damned time. Only idiots interpret what I said that way. So by all means stand by it. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2017, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/255 "2017-11-22T19:42:56Z")
Oh, gosh, SA called me an idiot. With a smilie face, even! ☹ ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2017, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/256 "2017-11-22T19:49:51Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > The reason I don’t “admit” it is that I never said it…and you know that perfectly well. > > Over time I’d forgotten what a dishonest person you are and had slowly come to believe that you were basically a good person, somewhat air headed (ala your ridiculous stance in the Charlie Rose/Al Franken threads) but nonetheless well-meaning. Thanks for reminding me that you’re just as dishonest as **Bryan Ekers** , albeit less strenuously. > > And has long been my practice, this is all I have to say here about the Paterno issue. While I can understand my erstwhile opponents’ desire to make an issue of the paper tubes, given that of all the significant allegations they made about Paterno were thoroughly debunked and the tubes are all they have left to make an issue of, any further discussion will need to take place in the appropriate thread. Sorry that you think I’m a bad person. I’ll continue to think that you’re probably a decent person, just deluded on a lot of things. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2017, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/257 "2017-11-22T20:03:55Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > I’m sure he did defend Paterno, but since Paterno wasn’t accused of fucking a kid in a bathroom, the “paper towel tube defense” was a defense of Sandusky. So I stand by what I said: He defended child rape by saying it wasn’t physically possible when we’ve nearly all seen enough porn (regardless of our tastes) to know that tall people screw short people standing up all the damned time. He truly did go down the rabbit hole, though, > [@It's time to officially Pit Joe Paterno and the Penn State football program.](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/5166): > > … the kid’s lack of expression shows is that he wasn’t being subjected to the horrible, painful ass-raping … If you fail to show contorted agony, preferably with screaming and tears, you are not actually being raped. Or, if it is not painful, it must not really be rape. Or something like that. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2017, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/258 "2017-11-22T20:54:19Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Sorry that you think I’m a bad person. I’ll continue to think that you’re probably a decent person, just deluded on a lot of things. By the way, SA, if I’m wrong and you actually do understand and never contradicted the fact that it is indeed physically possible for a tall person to have sex with a short person while standing, then I apologize for misunderstanding you for all this time. ---
**Author:** ![Crazy\_Canuck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crazy_canuck/32/5282_2.png) [@Crazy\_Canuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crazy_Canuck)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2017, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/259 "2017-11-22T20:55:19Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > It was this post: > > [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=15561018](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=15561018) > > I mean it’s a trivial claim, that a tall person can have sex with a short person… So you shouldn’t be so reticent about admitting it. > [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > The reason I don’t “admit” it is that I never said it…and you know that perfectly well. Well then what is this? A few posts down from the thread that iiandyiiii linked. It sure looks like you said that … > [@It's time to officially Pit Joe Paterno and the Penn State football program.](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/its-time-to-officially-pit-joe-paterno-and-the-penn-state-football-program/602167/5190): > > No, I don’t believe it’s possible for that particular tall person to have been having sex with a short person of the presumed height in that position. Does that do it for ya, sweetie? Now you can run away from this thread like the lying little bitch you are. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2017, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/260 "2017-11-22T21:09:20Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > So I stand by what I said: And well you should. My comment was not in any way intended to disparage you, but just in anticipation that Starving Artist would nitpick some trivial element of your post. It turns out he is even lazier than I anticipated, and simply said you are wrong (smiley) without any detail at all. Clearly this will be his response to any criticism, so hashing out the details is a waste of time, as is the case with the OP of this thread, I am sure. Still, it can be a little bit amusing. As a side note, anyone who is called as dishonest as me is being complimented. My dishonesty level is actually pretty low. I invite anyone who thinks otherwise to provide cites to that effect, unless you’re just too damn lazy to bother. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094.md?page=12) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094.md?page=14)