# Can right and left agree on anything? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 19, 2017, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094 "2017-11-19T19:28:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2017, 4:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/281 "2017-11-23T04:58:34Z")
> [@E-DUB](#): > > As long as the South doesn’t get _any_ nukes…ever. > [@k9bfriender](#): > > Just make sure that every nuke comes with a case of beer. We’ll be fine. Make it a [del]bag[/del] bale of weed; mean drunks are far more common than mean stoners. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2017, 5:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/282 "2017-11-23T05:22:38Z")
> [@E-DUB](#): > > As long as the South doesn’t get _any_ nukes…ever. > [@k9bfriender](#): > > Just make sure that every nuke comes with a case of beer. We’ll be fine. Have you heard the phrase, “hold my beer”? ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2017, 6:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/283 "2017-11-23T06:10:47Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Heh. If the standard is that being demonstrably wrong automatically makes one wrong about everything, **Starving Artist** hasn’t got a leg to stand on. After 14 years of starving, he ought to have shuffled off this mortal coil and joined the choir invisible quite some time ago. That he still posts demonstrates that he’s wrong about starving, therefore he’s wrong about everything. Q.E.D. > > (Not that the syllogism is necessary to come to such a conclusion about his wrongness.) I’ve had to think about this for quite a while, but I’m beginning to suspect he’s not actually an artist at all, starving or well-fed. Well, bullshit artist, maybe. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2017, 6:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/284 "2017-11-23T06:30:29Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Wrong again, as usual. I am agnostic. And asking people who make claims about a god of some sort to show proof of the existence of said god is by no means mocking them. And where/how exactly did I claim that liberals sneer at “Judeo-Christian values”? Seriously? I thought you posted your " Great Debate " in good faith… ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2017, 6:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/285 "2017-11-23T06:45:51Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Civil war would be a natural consequence of secession. I’m not even being hostile. I’m just being to the point. In what way could non homogenous states and cities secede without tremendous passions being unleashed? Going from the most powerful nation in history into a group of perpetually bickering factions would be a terrible error. > > You think foreign trolling in domestic affairs is bad now? Just to be contrarian, it might not. If, e.g., Alabama (since it is alphabetically first) petitioned the Congress for secession, and Congress arrived at a point where it made sense to accept the petition, that would begin a years-long process of study and negotiation. Counties would be polled, and if there were border counties opposed to secession, that would be part of the haggling (which might also include counties in neighboring states that might poll for joining the secession, depending on how the process would work). The US(49) would establish concords with Alabama along with agreements between Alabama and its neighbors, so that completion of the secession would not be fraught with difficulties. Congress might even require that the secessors draft an operating plan for their existence as a sovereignty, because no one wants to be living next to a fucked-up mess. I think it could be done. But the rolltide would no longer be in the NCAA. They would have to be content with playing Auburn every year and not much else. ---
**Author:** ![Fuji](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a9a28c/32.png) [@Fuji](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fuji)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2017, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/286 "2017-11-23T15:16:08Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Wrong again, as usual. I am agnostic. And asking people who make claims about a god of some sort to show proof of the existence of said god is by no means mocking them. And where/how exactly did I claim that liberals sneer at “Judeo-Christian values”? :dubious: [This](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12409566&postcount=19) doesn’t come across as very “agnostic” (or respectful of “Judeo-Christian values”). > [@](#): > > Originally Posted by **Clothahump** > The concept of God is a man-made disaster. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2017, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/287 "2017-11-23T15:47:54Z")
> [@Fuji](#): > > :dubious: > > [This](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12409566&postcount=19) doesn’t come across as very “agnostic” (or respectful of “Judeo-Christian values”). I would quibble that that could reasonably considered “agnostic” (speaking as an agnostic myself), although not particularly respectful. And is “belief in God” a Judeo-Christian “value” or merely a “tenet”? Enquiring semantic pedants want to know! ---
**Author:** ![Fuji](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a9a28c/32.png) [@Fuji](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fuji)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2017, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/288 "2017-11-23T16:23:40Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > I would quibble that that could reasonably considered “agnostic” (speaking as an agnostic myself), although not particularly respectful. And is “belief in God” a Judeo-Christian “value” or merely a “tenet”? Enquiring semantic pedants want to know! Fair enough, though the way I took it was that someone who was truly open to the possibility of deities existing (which is I how I understand agnosticism) wouldn’t “poison the well” as such by making such a statement. Then again, given the nature of the OP of this thread… ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2017, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/289 "2017-11-23T16:35:05Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > And where/how exactly did I claim that liberals sneer at “Judeo-Christian values”? It’s right in the article you quoted in your OP! > [@](#): > > Religion? Conservatives tend to believe in Judeo-Christian values. Even atheists who are conservative tend to at least be friendly to those values. Liberals mock Judeo-Christian values. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2017, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/290 "2017-11-23T16:56:36Z")
The funny thing is most of the liberals I know in real life are Christians. (My own parents, for one). Hell, even though I’m not really practicing anymore, I still call myself a Catholic and I believe in God. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2017, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/291 "2017-11-24T01:25:44Z")
> [@Fuji](#): > > :dubious: > > [This](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12409566&postcount=19) doesn’t come across as very “agnostic” (or respectful of “Judeo-Christian values”). No, it’s a simple statement of fact. It has nothing to do with “values” of any kind, but is an observation that all of the gods humans have invented have not benefited us at all. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2017, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/292 "2017-11-24T01:27:04Z")
> [@raventhief](#): > > Seriously? I thought you posted your " Great Debate " in good faith… I did. If I didn’t, would you please show proof of that? ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2017, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/293 "2017-11-24T01:34:23Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > It’s right in the article you quoted in your OP! Operative word is “quoted”. But speaking as an observer, third party so to speak, I do have to agree with the idea that liberals, for the most part, do scoff at Judaeo-Christian concepts. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2017, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/294 "2017-11-24T01:40:07Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Operative word is “quoted”. But speaking as an observer, third party so to speak, I do have to agree with the idea that liberals, for the most part, do scoff at Judaeo-Christian concepts. And you haven’t? Quit weaseling. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2017, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/295 "2017-11-24T02:09:58Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Operative word is “quoted”. But speaking as an observer, third party so to speak, I do have to agree with the idea that liberals, for the most part, do scoff at Judaeo-Christian concepts. And I would say that you, pretty much always, lie about liberals. [Religious views by party affiliation.](http://www.pewforum.org/religious-landscape-study/party-affiliation/) There’s a number of charts so I will not quote any so as to avoid accusations of cherry-picking. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2017, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/296 "2017-11-24T03:00:01Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > I did. If I didn’t, would you please show proof of that? You posted that list, one that you stated was quite accurate, and then pretended that you have never indicated that liberals sneer at Judeo Christian values. While technically true that you didn’t state it, you posted the quote and said you felt it was accurate. I can’t prove what was or was not in your head, but i can tell you that you are coming across as quite the troll. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2017, 9:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/297 "2017-11-24T09:43:48Z")
> [@raventhief](#): > > I can’t prove what was or was not in your head, but i can tell you that you are coming across as quite the troll. [Hanlon’s Razor](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor) may apply here. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2017, 10:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/298 "2017-11-24T10:47:05Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Operative word is “quoted”. But speaking as an observer, third party so to speak, I do have to agree with the idea that liberals, for the most part, do scoff at Judaeo-Christian concepts. You could be right, at least as far as it applies to me as an individual. Just to make sure, do you suppose you could list some of them for me? TIA 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2017, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/299 "2017-11-24T15:56:39Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > I’ve had to think about this for quite a while, but I’m beginning to suspect he’s not actually an artist at all, starving or well-fed. Well, bullshit artist, maybe. True every artist I know is of the commie godless liberal hippie variety that caused the downfall of America in the 60’s. ---
**Author:** ![Bookkeeper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bookkeeper/32/281_2.png) [@Bookkeeper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bookkeeper)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2017, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/300 "2017-11-24T17:51:22Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > You could be right, at least as far as it applies to me as an individual. Just to make sure, do you suppose you could list some of them for me? TIA 🙂 Well, here’s one attempt [http://www.stonekettle.com/2017/10/the-myth-of-judeo-christian-values.html](http://www.stonekettle.com/2017/10/the-myth-of-judeo-christian-values.html). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094.md?page=14) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094.md?page=16)