# Can right and left agree on anything? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 19, 2017, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094 "2017-11-19T19:28:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2017, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/301 "2017-11-24T18:35:18Z")
> [@raventhief](#): > > You posted that list, one that you stated was quite accurate, and then pretended that you have never indicated that liberals sneer at Judeo Christian values. While technically true that you didn’t state it, you posted the quote and said you felt it was accurate. > > I can’t prove what was or was not in your head, but i can tell you that you are coming across as quite the troll. So you are upset that I think the quote is accurate, and that somehow makes me a troll, am I correct? And liberals never sneer at J-C values, so you are okay with being outraged about the fact that I think the quote is accurate, right? Let me pose a question. People who adhere to J-C values believe that homosexuality is wrong. Liberals think homosexuality is just hunky-dory, to the point where they are willing to drive J-C people out of business for adhering to their values (remember the wedding cake fiasco, as an example?). How would behavior like that NOT be construed as sneering at J-C values? ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2017, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/302 "2017-11-24T18:36:18Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > [Hanlon’s Razor](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor) may apply here. Only as serving for the basis for your post. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2017, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/303 "2017-11-24T18:40:35Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Operative word is “quoted”. But speaking as an observer, third party so to speak, I do have to agree with the idea that liberals, for the most part, do scoff at Judaeo-Christian concepts. > [@Guinastasia](#): > > And you haven’t? Quit weaseling. Try again, Guin. Questioning the existence of a god is not scoffing at J-C concepts overall. Do you have a problem with those parts of the 10 commandments that don’t mention a god, such as don’t steal, don’t lie, don’t murder, take care of your parents, etc.? I certainly don’t. ---
**Author:** ![SaneBill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e68b1a/32.png) [@SaneBill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SaneBill)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2017, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/304 "2017-11-24T18:51:14Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Do you have a problem with those parts of the 10 commandments that don’t mention a god, such as don’t steal, don’t lie, don’t murder, take care of your parents, etc.? I certainly don’t. Right now it’s Republicans who are breaking all those rules. And liberals are trying to stop them. And you have time and time again told that you support Republicans and are against liberals… ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2017, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/305 "2017-11-24T18:54:35Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > [Hanlon’s Razor](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor) may apply here. > [@Clothahump](#): > > Only as serving for the basis for your post. Welp, there it is, **Gyrate**. He’s embracing malice as being the driving force behind his incessant wrong-ness. That being the case, **Clothy** : go fuck a cactus, you contemptible piece of shit. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2017, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/306 "2017-11-24T19:03:42Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Only as serving for the basis for your post. _‘No, you!’_ That’s your best retort? You childish fucking imbecile. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2017, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/307 "2017-11-24T20:14:28Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > People who adhere to J-C values believe that homosexuality is wrong. Yeah, why is that, I wonder? If God exists and is as powerful as Judeo-Christians typically describe, homosexuality must be the result of a conscious choice on God’s part, therefore believing it is wrong is calling God wrong. ---
**Author:** ![SaneBill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e68b1a/32.png) [@SaneBill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SaneBill)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2017, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/308 "2017-11-24T20:23:31Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Yeah, why is that, I wonder? If God exists and is as powerful as Judeo-Christians typically describe, homosexuality must be the result of a conscious choice on God’s part, therefore believing it is wrong is calling God wrong. Maybe God isn’t omnipotent after all and just made a blunder. In which case I really wouldn’t make such a number out of it, God being pretty mean and petty character sometimes. ---
**Author:** ![PigArcher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/bcef8e/32.png) [@PigArcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PigArcher)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2017, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/309 "2017-11-24T22:07:02Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Let me pose a question. People who adhere to J-C values believe that homosexuality is wrong. Liberals think homosexuality is just hunky-dory, to the point where they are willing to drive J-C people out of business for adhering to their values (remember the wedding cake fiasco, as an example?). How would behavior like that NOT be construed as sneering at J-C values? But that’s not a J-C value. J-C values would be loving your neighbor and not casting the first stone and all that stuff Jesus said, and as a result many Christians don’t think homosexuality is wrong. So why aren’t people that use religion as an excuse for their prejudice the ones sneering at J-C values? ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2017, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/310 "2017-11-24T22:40:11Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > So you are upset that I think the quote is accurate, and that somehow makes me a troll, am I correct? And liberals never sneer at J-C values, so you are okay with being outraged about the fact that I think the quote is accurate, right? > > Let me pose a question. People who adhere to J-C values believe that homosexuality is wrong. Liberals think homosexuality is just hunky-dory, to the point where they are willing to drive J-C people out of business for adhering to their values (remember the wedding cake fiasco, as an example?). How would behavior like that NOT be construed as sneering at J-C values? I think you misunderstand. I’m not at all upset. I’m simply pointing out that you are not arguing in good faith. You posted a quote, exclaimed how accurate it was, and when asked about a specific point in your very accurate quote, denied saying any such thing. It doesn’t upset me at all. I really don’t care, beyond the fact that i observed it and commented. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2017, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/311 "2017-11-24T22:54:51Z")
Liberals, Democrats, agnostics and atheists are not sneering at J-C values. In fact most follow those values. We sneer at people that _claim_ to have those beliefs while not following any of them. Their hypocrisy knows no bounds. And as humans, yes it makes us angry, some have gone over the edge to bring light to the assholes that put the current administration in power. Those that don’t give one care about their neighbors and the earth that they live on. Those are the so called ‘Christians’ that voted for Trump. Some are just on the low end of the bell curve, I can forgive them for voting for the current CIC (con-man in chief). Some though, don’t care about anyone but themselves. Their agenda is ‘Fuck the future, I want more now’. Just like Trump. The good news is that Trump is such a moron, he will get little of his agenda passed. Or it will be easily overturned when sanity comes back to the government. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2017, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/312 "2017-11-24T23:07:55Z")
> [@SaneBill](#): > > Right now it’s Republicans who are breaking all those rules. And liberals are trying to stop them. > And you have time and time again told that you support Republicans and are against liberals… ROTFLMAO. Good one! Keep bringing the funny. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2017, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/313 "2017-11-24T23:08:56Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > _‘No, you!’_ > > That’s your best retort? You childish fucking imbecile. Hey, you’re the one who made the retarded post, not me. Deal with it. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2017, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/314 "2017-11-24T23:10:02Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Welp, there it is, **Gyrate**. He’s embracing malice as being the driving force behind his incessant wrong-ness. > > That being the case, **Clothy** : go fuck a cactus, you contemptible piece of shit. Since I did not such thing, KD, take your own advice. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2017, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/315 "2017-11-24T23:11:58Z")
> [@raventhief](#): > > I think you misunderstand. I’m not at all upset. I’m simply pointing out that you are not arguing in good faith. You posted a quote, exclaimed how accurate it was, and when asked about a specific point in your very accurate quote, denied saying any such thing. > > It doesn’t upset me at all. I really don’t care, beyond the fact that i observed it and commented. All right, I’ll give you that one. I should have been more explicit. My bad. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2017, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/316 "2017-11-24T23:15:04Z")
I thought you _wanted_ a discussion, Clotha. Right now, the discussion seems to be the degree of your childishness, with numerous examples brought to light. I’m not sorry that it upsets you, because you being upset is hopefully part of your maturing process. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2017, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/317 "2017-11-24T23:27:06Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Wrong again, as usual. I am agnostic. And asking people who make claims about a god of some sort to show proof of the existence of said god is by no means mocking them. And where/how exactly did I claim that liberals sneer at “Judeo-Christian values”? Octoputz proves evolution runs in reverse. You’re pretty much proof positive that intelligent design never happened. Between the two of you, I’d say quadrupedal man is a real possibility. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2017, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/318 "2017-11-24T23:37:54Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > All right, I’ll give you that one. I should have been more explicit. My bad. Honest is better than explicit. ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2017, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/319 "2017-11-25T02:21:50Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Try again, Guin. Questioning the existence of a god is not scoffing at J-C concepts overall. Do you have a problem with those parts of the 10 commandments that don’t mention a god, such as don’t steal, don’t lie, don’t murder, take care of your parents, etc.? I certainly don’t. So, does that mean you’re open to the moral values of other religions besides Christianity, given that you reserve the right to doubt the existence of their supreme deity(ies)? If not, it sounds like you’re trying to hang on to Judeo-Christian values enough to warrant admission into Heaven in case it exists. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2017, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/320 "2017-11-25T02:59:36Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > So you are upset that I think the quote is accurate, and that somehow makes me a troll, am I correct? And liberals never sneer at J-C values, so you are okay with being outraged about the fact that I think the quote is accurate, right? > > Let me pose a question. People who adhere to J-C values believe that homosexuality is wrong. Liberals think homosexuality is just hunky-dory, to the point where they are willing to drive J-C people out of business for adhering to their values (remember the wedding cake fiasco, as an example?). How would behavior like that NOT be construed as sneering at J-C values? So it’s okay to be a jackass in the name of Judeo-Christian values? (As in, using it to discriminate against others?) Believing that homosexuality is all right is NOT sneering at Christianity, or Judaism. It’s saying, "hey, it’s not right to treat people like shit and say, “Because Jesus!!!” Just like it wasn’t okay to use Christianity as a defense to support slavery. And you fucking know that. Was it okay during the sixties, when people boycotted buses, and the government forced businesses to serve blacks? People used “Judeo-Christian values!” to justify segregation, too. The ten commandments against stealing, adultery, etc are NOT exclusive to Christianity or Judaism, either. Keep fucking that chicken. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094.md?page=15) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094.md?page=17)