# Can right and left agree on anything? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 19, 2017, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094 "2017-11-19T19:28:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2017, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/61 "2017-11-20T02:45:19Z")
> [@purplehearingaid](#): > > "Conservatives tend to be capitalists. Liberals tend to be socialists. Conservatives believe people should be judged by the content of their character, not the color of their skin. Liberals believe your race defines you. Conservatives believe in equality of opportunity. Liberals believe in equality of results. Conservatives believe in freedom of speech. Liberals are fine with silencing people that disagree with them. Conservatives believe in small government. Liberals believe in a frighteningly powerful central government dictating your every move. " > > I fail to see how these loads of lies are interesting , I find it more disturbing that OP may believe this stuff ! Load of lies? Really? Let’s just take this one to start: \<\\> Show where that is incorrect, please. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2017, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/62 "2017-11-20T02:50:42Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > Okay, I think I’m finally swayed over to the viewpoint that **Clothahump** is a troll, and not merely a true believer/Fox News casualty. > > Tossed a partisan shit-bomb, almost substance-free but guaranteed to get everybody riled— started a Pit thread outside the Pit, essentially, and skated without a warning or even a mod note. > > Credit where credit is due: nice work! It wasn’t a Pit post by any stretch of the imagination. I read an article that I thought raised some reasonable questions. I posted it for comment. Apparently the thread got moved to the Pit so everyone could freely call me an cunt or a deranged lunatic for daring to post it. ---
**Author:** ![steatopygia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steatopygia/32/3132_2.png) [@steatopygia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steatopygia)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2017, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/63 "2017-11-20T02:59:40Z")
You’re a liar. Multiple times lately. Does that make you feel better about trolling? ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2017, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/64 "2017-11-20T03:00:12Z")
NM I’m done with this shitbag ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2017, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/65 "2017-11-20T03:05:38Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > It wasn’t a Pit post by any stretch of the imagination. I read an article that I thought raised some reasonable questions. I posted it for comment. Apparently the thread got moved to the Pit so everyone could freely call me an cunt or a deranged lunatic for daring to post it. Does being an honorable warrior include lying? ---
**Author:** ![steatopygia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steatopygia/32/3132_2.png) [@steatopygia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steatopygia)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2017, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/66 "2017-11-20T03:06:39Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > The delusional fucking idiot will eventually swan in, all butt-hurt, bearing a link to a gif he’s been dying to drop on all the board libruls since some russian trollbot shared it with him on facebook. He’ll derp about it like it’s some clever idea he thought up on his own. But it’ll be as clever and original as every other metal abortion he’s dropped on the SDMB doorstep and ran away cackling, back under his bridge, like the pathetic troll that he is. We need more conservative posters on this board. Clothahump however, is just a childish troll. I feel sorry for whoever he is eating Thanksgiving dinner with. I’m guessing it will be a small gathering. I can’t imagine there are many people that do it twice. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2017, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/67 "2017-11-20T03:17:27Z")
**Clothy’s** [classic bit of hypocrisy.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=368912) > [@I'm ashamed of you people](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/im-ashamed-of-you-people/354181/1): > > And you should be ashamed of yourselves. > > Over [here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=368822) , **Diogenes** goes into orgasmic spasms over the fact that Mick Jagger dissed Bush. And the rest of you sorry dipshits joined right in. > > For those of you that are American citizens and participated in that pathetic little circlejerk of drooling, mouth-breathing idiocy: whether you like Bush or not, **he is our President**. And he was dissed by a jackoff rock-and-roller. > > This is not about politics. There is such a thing as basic, common courtesy in this world, and for that to happen to a head of state - ANY state - is just plain rudeness and lack of manners. For it to happen to ours should have pissed all of you off. > > And you sorry fucks exulted in it like dogs rolling in shit! > > I take it back. I’m not ashamed of you. I’m embarrassed by you. And forget the “be ashamed of yourselves” statement. That implies that you have the basic manners and morals to understand that you did something wrong, and you proved conclusively that you don’t. > > Cecil, if you read this: your logo says Fighting Ignorance Since 1973. This is a sterling example of why it has taken so long: the fucking barbarians are in the majority and the gap is widening. So, **Clothy** , what happened? ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2017, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/68 "2017-11-20T03:19:19Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > It wasn’t a Pit post by any stretch of the imagination. I read an article that I thought raised some reasonable questions. I posted it for comment. Apparently the thread got moved to the Pit so everyone could freely call me an cunt or a deranged lunatic for daring to post it. Here’s an idea. Meet us half way by not being a cunt and a deranged lunatic and we’ll stop calling you out as one. Sound reasonable? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2017, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/69 "2017-11-20T03:21:23Z")
[Another, earlier one.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=265934) Same idea, though. > [@In which I pit blind, bigoted hatred....](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/in-which-i-pit-blind-bigoted-hatred/254602/1): > > I’m frankly sick of the blind, unreasoning, bigoted hatred directed at George Bush. There isn’t a forum on the web these days that doesn’t have at least one asswipe show up in it to spew venom. > > I am going to wrap all of the people who do that up into one bag and call them liberals, because they are the vast majority of people doing it. The liberals have had their collective shorts in a wad ever since the 2000 elections (which, like it or not, Bush won - deal with it) and they have been getting more vicious and more bitter as time goes on. All because Algore lost. The libs started throwing temper tantrums and haven’t stopped yet, like a bunch of spoiled brats. > > All you can read these days is how Bush has lied about this or lied about that or lied about something else. Newsflash here, folks - if someone says something that you disagree with, that does NOT make them a liar. I’m tired of hearing this crap from the libs. > > I don’t agree with everything Bush has done or not done. But I swear I’m gonna vote for him if for no other reason than to be able to cast a vote **against** the bigotry and hatred puked out on a daily basis by the libs. > > Now, I’m quite sure a bunch of the libs will now jump on board and post about what an asshole I am and stuff like that. Knock yourselves out. Just keep in mind that every post like that confirms the accuracy of what I have said. > > My $0.02 worth… ---
**Author:** ![Nawth\_Chucka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c57346/32.png) [@Nawth\_Chucka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nawth_Chucka)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2017, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/70 "2017-11-20T03:27:10Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Interesting question asked on Townhall: Do Conservatives And Liberals Have Enough in Common to Keep A Country Together Anymore? > > This excerpt lays out several of the fundamental differences and they are big ones. I’m not sure if the\*\* bridge can be gapped\*\* in my lifetime. > [https://townhall.com/columnists/johnhawkins/2017/11/18/do-conservatives-and-liberals-have-enough-in-common-to-keep-a-country-together-anymore-n2411206?utm\_source=thdaily&utm\_medium=email&utm\_campaign=nl&newsletterad=](https://townhall.com/columnists/johnhawkins/2017/11/18/do-conservatives-and-liberals-have-enough-in-common-to-keep-a-country-together-anymore-n2411206?utm_source=thdaily&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=nl&newsletterad=) > > So, what’s your answer to the question that Townhall asks? W/ those enormous and permanent blinders, how do you not just wander into traffic and get turned into a grease spot? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2017, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/71 "2017-11-20T03:30:10Z")
> [@Nawth\_Chucka](#): > > W/ those enormous and permanent blinders, how do you not just wander into traffic and get turned into a grease spot? His wife keeps him on a short leash. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2017, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/72 "2017-11-20T03:32:02Z")
> [@steatopygia](#): > > We need more conservative posters on this board. We have an abundance of conservative posters on this board. At least half the board is conservative by any reasonable definition of the word. **Clothy** is one of those people who thinks “conservative” and “liberal” are defined by the Overton window, when what he and his ilk are more like retro-reactionaries. Fuck these bogus definitions of polarities. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2017, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/73 "2017-11-20T03:34:03Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > It wasn’t a Pit post by any stretch of the imagination. I read an article that I thought raised some reasonable questions. I posted it for comment. Apparently the thread got moved to the Pit so everyone could freely call me an cunt or a deranged lunatic for daring to post it. **Precious Snowflake,** that was pure trolling, which you are well aware of. While I think you’re stupid and blind enough to actually believe some of that nonsense, your purpose wasn’t to “invite comment,” it was to piss people off. And lying about your intent doesn’t fool anyone, it just makes you a liar. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2017, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/74 "2017-11-20T03:34:51Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > It wasn’t a Pit post by any stretch of the imagination. I read an article that I thought raised some reasonable questions. I posted it for comment. Apparently the thread got moved to the Pit so everyone could freely call me an cunt or a deranged lunatic for daring to post it. No. The thread was moved because the level of dishonest well poisoning in the OP was designed to prevent a legitimate discussion. > [@](#): > > The Constitution? Conservatives believe in it. Liberals believe in a “living Constitution” which is fundamentally no different than having no Constitution at all. Given the number of attempts at action by Presidents Bush (II) and Trump that have been shot down by an increasingly conservative court, a claim that Conservatives “believe in” the Constitution is not supportable. > [@Clothahump](#): > > Religion? Conservatives tend to believe in Judeo-Christian values. Even atheists who are conservative tend to at least be friendly to those values. Liberals mock Judeo-Christian values. There are “liberals” who mock Far Right political religionists, and a few who mock all religion, but a claim that “liberals,” as a group, mock Judea-Christian values is stupid given the number of religious groups that promote liberal policies and the number of conservative groups that oppose such values. > [@Clothahump](#): > > What about patriotism? Conservatives tend to love their country. Liberals love this country like a wife-beater loves his spouse. More nonsense. Folks on the Left might point out that the only time “love of country” comes up in discussion is when someone on the Right wants to send kids to a foreign country to kill the inhabitants and assert power and steal resources. And it is the Right that tends to promote the Confederacy, hardly an example of patriotism. > [@Clothahump](#): > > Conservatives tend to be capitalists. Liberals tend to be socialists. I do not even know a liberal socialist, although I know many liberals. Heck, even Sanders is a capitalist. He just wants to stop the welfare handed out to major corporations. > [@Clothahump](#): > > Conservatives believe people should be judged by the content of their character, not the color of their skin. Liberals believe your race defines you. Alternatively, conservatives are fine with police judging (and harassing and executing) people based on the color of their skin. And so on. There are legitimate differences between the general attitudes of conservatives and liberals that are worth discussing. Opening a thread with a link to a set of lies about what each group believes is not the way to have that discussion (or debate). I noted earlier that such a discussion would be welcomed in Great Debates. There are no “reasonable questions” raised by the lies of a right wing talking head, whether it is John Hawkins or Ann Coulter or anyone else. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2017, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/75 "2017-11-20T03:40:16Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > At least half the board is conservative by any reasonable definition of the word. Do they only post in the Games room? I would guess that I am regarded as liberal by all but the most vitriolic Left wingers, but I would never claim that the numbers of the Right are equal to the numbers of the Left, at least in Great Debates and Elections. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2017, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/76 "2017-11-20T03:45:55Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > **Clothy’s** [classic bit of hypocrisy.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=368912) > > So, **Clothy** , what happened? The claim there is that Mick Jagger dissed GWB by not turning his hotel suite over to him. The Stones had booked the suites weeks in advance for a concert. And Clothy pretentiously asserts that he’ll defend the office whether or not he likes the man. But compare that “dissing” with what **Clothy** aims at Obama: > [@Who deserves/deserved more hatred: Bush or Obama?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-deserves-deserved-more-hatred-bush-or-obama/666213/34): > > He’s a socialist. He’s out to destroy the American economy. His regime has saddled us with a mountain of debt through profligate spending that shows no sign of stopping. In addition, he promotes class warfare and dissension. > > Now, I’m sure that others will disagree. That’s fine. Different strokes for different folks and all that. But all I can say is that the numbers don’t lie, and since Obama took office, our debt has increased astronomically and we went bankrupt for all practical purposes in 2012, when the debt exceeded the GDP. And **Clothy** jumped on every anti-Obama bandwagon FauxNews told him too, for example: > [@Obama does his best to degrade a couple of Marines. Next episode: Wipers!](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-does-his-best-to-degrade-a-couple-of-marines-next-episode-wipers/658538/171): > > > [@Sicks Ate](#): > > > > Being tewwibwy afwaid of getting his hair wet, during a press conference President Obama summoned two Marines to hold umbrellas over himself and the Prime Minister of Turkey. > > > > Just looking at the [picture](http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/marines-beckoned-shield-president-obama-turkish-prime-minister-erdogan-rain-press-conference-interupted-shower-article-1.1345980?localLinksEnabled=false) makes me want to kick…um…someone in the throat. > > > > Fuck you, you arrogant, condescending fucker. There’s _no_ reason that you couldn’t just suck it up like a score of press attendees are doing, and towel off and change your fucking suit later. Or move the goddamn thing indoors. Nope, you decided instead to look around and find a couple of what you must consider peon scum to trot over and hold your umbrella like fucking servants. > > > > This is about one step up from Obama stepping out of the shitter, and Biden clapping and calling for [wipers](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQ5rbPlsdHw)clad in dress uniform. > > One has to ask why somebody wasn’t smart enough to bother to look at a weather report, see that it might rain, and hold the function indoors. Then one remembers that it is the Obama administration.One has to ask why somebody wasn’t smart enough to bother to look at a weather report, see that it might rain, and hold the function indoors. Then one remembers that it is the Obama administration. **Clothahump** disapproves when the Presidency is dissed? Yet instead of defending the Presidency from **Sick Ates** ’ psychotic attack, **Clothy** piles on! (Sick Ates, FauxNews, and even Clothy shut up when photos were shown of both Bushes and Reagan standing under Marine-held umbrellas.) ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2017, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/77 "2017-11-20T03:50:43Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > So you’re saying (or the article is saying) that conservatives are wonderful loving good patriots, while liberals are terrible evil hateful traitors? Why can’t we all just agree on that? ---
**Author:** ![sweepkick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@sweepkick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sweepkick)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2017, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/78 "2017-11-20T03:58:27Z")
Eh, I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. Conservatives of today: Fake Patriots, fake Christians. The real debate is which one is worse? ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2017, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/79 "2017-11-20T04:01:34Z")
> [@steatopygia](#): > > You’re a liar. Multiple times lately. Does that make you feel better about trolling? Really? Got proof of that? ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2017, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/80 "2017-11-20T04:04:10Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > **Precious Snowflake,** that was pure trolling, which you are well aware of. While I think you’re stupid and blind enough to actually believe some of that nonsense, your purpose wasn’t to “invite comment,” it was to piss people off. And lying about your intent doesn’t fool anyone, it just makes you a liar. Up yours, Colibri. My intent was exactly what I stated it was. If you don’t like that basic fact, you can pucker up and kiss my ass. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094.md?page=5)