# Can right and left agree on anything? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 19, 2017, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094 "2017-11-19T19:28:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2017, 10:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/121 "2017-11-20T10:19:07Z")
> [@DUCKofDEATH](#): > > Got cites? Because I’ve got [plenty](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/06/03/ugly-bloody-scenes-in-san-jose-as-protesters-attack-trump-supporters-outside-rally/?utm_term=.cb08e7e4cf5d) of [Trump supporters](http://dailycaller.com/2016/11/10/hillary-supporters-assault-white-trump-supporter-video/) being [attacked](https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/student-wearing-trump-hat-arguing-with-protesters-is-punched-kicked-to-ground/2016/11/16/cb9d909e-ac14-11e6-8b45-f8e493f06fcd_story.html?utm_term=.5341ae394510). What’s wrong with people beating up neo-nazis? 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2017, 10:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/122 "2017-11-20T10:21:11Z")
> [@BlankSlate](#): > > What’s wrong with people beating up neo-nazis? 😕 :smack: Congratulations, you are _part of the problem_. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2017, 10:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/123 "2017-11-20T10:36:41Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Load of lies? Really? Let’s just take this one to start: > \<\\> > Show where that is incorrect, please. Where is it correct? Conservatives tend to favor government-funded and government-controlled military, police force, justice system, and much more. Does that make conservatives socialist? If not, why does a relatively small difference in the role of government in a small number of industries (chiefly health care) make liberals socialist? It’s all a matter of degree. The link in the OP is ridiculous black-and-white nonsense and outright fantasy. That’s not real-world liberals; that’s fantasy-world liberals. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2017, 10:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/124 "2017-11-20T10:53:07Z")
> [@DUCKofDEATH](#): > > So the Democrat party has a long history of affiliation with racists and the KKK, up to electing an ex KKK-Klucker named Robert Byrd so often to the Senate that he DIED in office. > > Meanwhile, there’s no evidence that ANY Republican has been elected on a Nazi ticket or through Nazi voting blocs. > > Got facts, not innuendo from a real source? (BuzzFeed?! Puh-leaze!) > > Yet more innuendo not based on facts. Republicans want a color-blind society. Democrats want everybody to be sorted by color so as to determine their victimhood status. As such, the GOP is going to be attractive to a large majority of Americans (witness how they’ve overwhelmed the Democrats in recent elections) as well as unattractive supporters such as the few hundreds of Nazis who’d rather vote for Republicans because they’re for strong defense, patriotism, and love of America than Democrats who have demonstrated that they’re not very strong on such issues. That’s not why Nazis support Trump. They support him because he shares their views and they believe he will further their Nazi goals. They’ve said so. That’s why they dress like him while they show their love of America and their patriotism by shouting “Blood and soil!” It’s fucking weird that you would view “love of America” and “patriotism” as part of a political platform one would support. And in Trump’s case it’s also inappropriate; Trump spent most of his campaign talking about how America was a real shithole. But mostly it’s just weird. ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2017, 10:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/125 "2017-11-20T10:59:44Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > :smack: > > Congratulations, you are _part of the problem_. Congratulations, you are _not terribly bright_. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2017, 11:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/126 "2017-11-20T11:41:43Z")
> [@BlankSlate](#): > > Congratulations, you are _not terribly bright_. [No, that’s this guy](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/member.php). ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2017, 12:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/127 "2017-11-20T12:28:41Z")
> [@The\_Tooth](#): > > That’s not why Nazis support Trump. They support him because he shares their views and they believe he will further their Nazi goals. They’ve said so. That’s why they dress like him while they show their love of America and their patriotism by shouting “Blood and soil!” > > It’s fucking weird that you would view “love of America” and “patriotism” as part of a political platform one would support. And in Trump’s case it’s also inappropriate; Trump spent most of his campaign talking about how America was a real shithole. But mostly it’s just weird. I find it fucking weird that he’s calling the left “fascist” when his side includes actual Nazis and politicians who support those actual Nazis. Actually, I don’t find it weird. I find it pathetic, and a clear indication that he’s accepted just how ‘deplorable’ the people he’s defending are and is scrabbling desperately for any straws of false equivalence he can grasp. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2017, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/128 "2017-11-20T13:03:49Z")
Small government is probably good for small countries. Luxembourg, Andorra, no prob. But if you’re determined to be a major power and play Risk for keeps… ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2017, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/129 "2017-11-20T13:44:41Z")
> [@Senegoid](#): > > The quote in the OP reads like an episode of _Goofus and Gallant_. Gallant brings his date flowers. Goofus grabs them by the pussy! ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2017, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/130 "2017-11-20T14:13:01Z")
I for one am willing to engage Clothahump and DUCKofDEATH in serious discussion. I’m sure the two of us will get along fine. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2017, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/131 "2017-11-20T14:35:50Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > :smack: > > Congratulations, you are _part of the problem_. I agree. The rule of law must be upheld - victimless crimes are still crimes. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2017, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/132 "2017-11-20T15:07:43Z")
The Democrats don’t have a monopoly on the violent antifa members. Dwight D. Eisenhower, for instance, was a violent antifa, and he was a Republican. It is true, however, that the number of Republican antifas seems to be seriously diminished, nowadays. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2017, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/133 "2017-11-20T15:08:11Z")
I don’t plan on addressing most of the OP. It’s been addressed better. But I do want to point out one thing: I am liberal specifically because of my Judeo-Christian values. There are two issues that conservatives seem to mean when they claim that they are about Christian values, and that’s abortion and homosexuality. As I have pointed out many times, abortion is never mentioned in the Bible, so, whatever your opinion on it, that is not a biblical principle. The other is more complicated, based on homophobia actually influencing Biblical translation. Basically, Paul had words he could use for actual homosexuality, but chose words that seem closer to damning pederasty instead. So, leaving those two out, there really is nothing about conservatism that appeals to Biblical values at all. Instead, it is liberalism that aligns closest to what the Bible teaches. Hell, we still keep putting up Christian candidates, while you wind up electing not only an atheist, but one who violates Christian principles left and right. The Bible is against racism. It says to give to the poor. It rejects the idea that rich people deserve their money. It says to pay your taxes. It says to put God’s law (morality) above man’s law. It hates legalism, which is the foundation of conservative legal analysis. It teaches love and compassion and not saying harsh words to people, so it preaches political correctness. Jesus said that those who live by the sword die by the sword, having no problem with restrictions on arms. We are to be kind and help foreigners who are in our lands, for goodness sake. The values of the Bible, the ones that don’t require following a particular religion, all seem to align with what we in this country consider liberal values. They say the best lie the Devil told was that he doesn’t exist, but I’d say the second best was convincing people that conservatism aligns with Christian values. There’s a reason so many “Christian” conservatives elected Trump. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2017, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/134 "2017-11-20T15:17:02Z")
> [@DUCKofDEATH](#): > > As such, the GOP is going to be attractive to a large majority of Americans (witness how they’ve overwhelmed the Democrats in recent elections) as well as unattractive supporters such as the few hundreds of Nazis who’d rather vote for Republicans because they’re for strong defense, patriotism, and love of America than Democrats who have demonstrated that they’re not very strong on such issues. Yeah, there are nice Nazis… Not! Here is a picture of what **real patriots** did to the Nazis that the new ones of today are following: [https://onsizzle.com/i/real-american-patriots-fight-nazis-democratic-exactly-18495513](https://onsizzle.com/i/real-american-patriots-fight-nazis-democratic-exactly-18495513) > [@Chronos](#): > > The Democrats don’t have a monopoly on the violent antifa members. Dwight D. Eisenhower, for instance, was a violent antifa, and he was a Republican. > > It is true, however, that the number of Republican antifas seems to be seriously diminished, nowadays. Indeed. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2017, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/135 "2017-11-20T15:48:48Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Your senile input again? :rolleyes: > > You plan on stalking my every post again? Stalking you? I was in this thread before you were, you pustule. Since you inject your puerile input all over the Pit, it’s not really possible to avoid you. “Stalking” you would be like stalking cockroaches. Once again, if you don’t want to be insulted, then stay out of the fucking pit, snowflake. ---
**Author:** ![E-DUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/e-dub/32/403_2.png) [@E-DUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-DUB)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2017, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/136 "2017-11-20T15:49:47Z")
Calling Clothahump an asshole, a cunt, or a troll is like saying that _The Orville_ is “somewhat derivative”. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2017, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/137 "2017-11-20T16:44:22Z")
> [@steatopygia](#): > > Yes. Your made up lawn mowing story and claiming that this stupidity wasn’t pure trolling. I’ll call you on that one, bucky. Please show conclusive proof that the lawnmower incident didn’t happen. Also show conclusive proof that my intent in this thread was “pure trolling”. Put up or shut up. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2017, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/138 "2017-11-20T16:50:27Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > I’ll call you on that one, bucky. Please show conclusive proof that the lawnmower incident didn’t happen. Also show conclusive proof that my intent in this thread was “pure trolling”. > > Put up or shut up. I’m willing to concede that you are an idiot instead, if you are. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2017, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/139 "2017-11-20T16:55:23Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Up yours, Colibri. My intent was exactly what I stated it was. If you don’t like that basic fact, you can pucker up and kiss my ass. Yes, I agree we all need to come together and come to the compromise middle ground where you agree that I’m right about everything and I agree that you are the spawn of satan. ---
**Author:** ![MindsEye\_Watering](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mindseye_watering/32/3619_2.png) [@MindsEye\_Watering](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MindsEye_Watering)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2017, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/140 "2017-11-20T17:02:24Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > THEN. FUCKING. BAN. HIM. > > Jesus fucking christ, why is this so difficult? You’re a mod. He’s a troll. You agree that he’s a troll. I’ve seen numerous posters who were far less egregious and far more interesting banned after a few days. Take the trivial fucking step to make this board that much better and ban the fucker. 4chan /b/ would not be improved by his presence. This. Just ban the gutless trolling filth. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094.md?page=8)