# Can right and left agree on anything? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 19, 2017, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094 "2017-11-19T19:28:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Arrogantly\_Ignorant](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Arrogantly\_Ignorant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Arrogantly_Ignorant)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2017, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/141 "2017-11-20T17:18:12Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > **I’ll call you on that one, bucky. Please show conclusive proof that the lawnmower incident didn’t happen**. Also show conclusive proof that my intent in this thread was “pure trolling”. > > Put up or shut up. (Bolding mine) Easy. I was happening to film you for 24/7 that day and I can back up **Buck Godot**. The incident didn’t happen. I also measured the grass’s length that day and it conclusively shows that no part of the yard was cut that day. What a good thing I was there.\* \*If it isn’t obvious, this isn’t true. I’m don’t even know what story is being referenced. Just wanted to illustrate the complete idiocy of **Clothahump’s** request. Even if it was somehow possible to prove a negative. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2017, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/142 "2017-11-20T17:25:48Z")
> [@MindsEye\_Watering](#): > > This. Just ban the gutless trolling filth. If we lose him, we’ll no longer have an window into the soul of a Trump supporter. (except **Doorhinge** , we’ll always have **Doorhinge** ) ---
**Author:** ![MindsEye\_Watering](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mindseye_watering/32/3619_2.png) [@MindsEye\_Watering](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MindsEye_Watering)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2017, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/143 "2017-11-20T17:31:55Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > If we lose him, we’ll no longer have an window into the soul of a Trump supporter. (except **Doorhinge** , we’ll always have **Doorhinge** ) I can live with that. If I want a window into the soul of a TrumpSucker, I’ll dig up the lid on my septic tank and peek in there. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2017, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/144 "2017-11-20T17:36:20Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > **Precious Snowflake** , nope, you’re a liar. And I don’t believe that even as stupid as you are (and that is quite incredibly stupid) you didn’t realize that post was trolling. > > What I can’t figure out is why you are so intent on portraying yourself as such a childish, dishonest, hypocritical, mean-spirited piece of shit. As I said before, Colibri, kiss my ass. I don’t lie; there’s no value in doing so and it’s too much trouble to keep stories straight when lies are told. And if I am " portraying (my)self as such a childish, dishonest, hypocritical, mean-spirited piece of shit", then I guess it’s because I’m imitating you. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2017, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/145 "2017-11-20T17:38:14Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > I’ll call you on that one, bucky. Please show conclusive proof that the lawnmower incident didn’t happen. Also show conclusive proof that my intent in this thread was “pure trolling”. > > Put up or shut up. This whole side discussion is really rather silly, but it is necessary to point out that since you’re the one who made the original claim, if anyone needs to present “conclusive proof” of anything, it would be you. AFAIK, the only available evidence is a cell phone photo that shows someone, possibly female, standing on an unidentified street corner several hundred feet away. What is this supposed to be evidence of, exactly? Be specific. As for the thread topic, if pretty much everyone, including the mods, considers it trolling, then it’s trolling regardless of what you pretend your intent was. You remind me of those sovereign citizens claiming the court they happen to be in has no authority over them. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2017, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/146 "2017-11-20T17:38:46Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > spawn of satan. I may not know my demonic lore very well, but I’m guessing no spawn of satan is such a fucking imbecile. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2017, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/147 "2017-11-20T17:41:45Z")
> [@Arrogantly\_Ignorant](#): > > (Bolding mine) > > Easy. I was happening to film you for 24/7 that day and I can back up **Buck Godot**. The incident didn’t happen. I also measured the grass’s length that day and it conclusively shows that no part of the yard was cut that day. What a good thing I was there.\* > > \*If it isn’t obvious, this isn’t true. I’m don’t even know what story is being referenced. Just wanted to illustrate the complete idiocy of **Clothahump’s** request. Even if it was somehow possible to prove a negative. Short story. **Clothy** claims to have been mowing his lawn. Alleged libtard woman complains about the mower fumes. Clothy fails to capitalize on the perfect opportunity to humiliate said libtard due to the fact the mower is electric with a bright orange cord(a Trump-cord, if you will). As evidence of this encounter, \*\*Clothy \*\*offers a photo of someone’s back from a block away. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2017, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/148 "2017-11-20T17:44:17Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > And if I am " portraying (my)self as such a childish, dishonest, hypocritical, mean-spirited piece of shit", then I guess it’s because I’m imitating you. Pssst… Tell him you’re rubber and he’s glue. That’s a totally harsh burn. IF YOU’RE FOUR FUCKING YEARS OLD. JFC, Clump, you’re such an unapologetic idiot. :smack: Why don’t you just flounce? You add negative value to every conversation and bring down the room temperature with your IQ. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2017, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/149 "2017-11-20T17:58:18Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > As I said before, Colibri, kiss my ass. I don’t lie; there’s no value in doing so and it’s too much trouble to keep stories straight when lies are told. > > And if I am " portraying (my)self as such a childish, dishonest, hypocritical, mean-spirited piece of shit", then I guess it’s because I’m imitating you. In the incident in which you were suspended, you said that you lied to me about your position on the usage of ethnic slurs in order to rile me up. So which is it? Was that your honest position, or did you lie to rile me up? ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2017, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/150 "2017-11-20T18:06:58Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > As I said before, Colibri, kiss my ass. I don’t lie; there’s no value in doing so and it’s too much trouble to keep stories straight when lies are told. > > And if I am " portraying (my)self as such a childish, dishonest, hypocritical, mean-spirited piece of shit", then I guess it’s because I’m imitating you. So, you’re not really a “childish, dishonest, hypocritical, mean-spirited piece of shit”, you just want to resemble one, for some reason. So, you say you don’t lie, but you have just stated that you have lied about the sort of person you really are. But you don’t lie. Except you just did. _Nomad - er, **Clothahump** -bot overheats and explodes_ ---
**Author:** ![Arrogantly\_Ignorant](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Arrogantly\_Ignorant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Arrogantly_Ignorant)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2017, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/151 "2017-11-20T18:07:01Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Short story. **Clothy** claims to have been mowing his lawn. Alleged libtard woman complains about the mower fumes. Clothy fails to capitalize on the perfect opportunity to humiliate said libtard due to the fact the mower is electric with a bright orange cord(a Trump-cord, if you will). > As evidence of this encounter, \*\*Clothy \*\*offers a photo of someone’s back from a block away. Thanks! Wow, **Clothahump** leads such an enviable life. Bathing in smug superiority while floating through life and laughing at everyone he’s artificially ascribed as “other” behind their backs. Why is **Clothaump** so sure the woman was a libtard, by the way? Because she bitches about fumes from a lawnmower? Sure, that seems like a great standard to determine someone’s political stance. ---
**Author:** ![Nawth\_Chucka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c57346/32.png) [@Nawth\_Chucka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nawth_Chucka)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2017, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/152 "2017-11-20T18:14:47Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > In the incident in which you were suspended, you said that you lied to me about your position on the usage of ethnic slurs in order to rile me up. > > So which is it? Was that your honest position, or did you lie to rile me up? If there’s one thing liars never do, it’s directly answer, ‘Were you lying then or are you lying now?’ b/c the answer is truly, ‘lying always’. In Clothy’s mind it’s fine for him to lie constantly b/c it furthers his superior agenda; if his agenda’s not a superior one, then why even go to the great personal effort to beat people w/ his privilege at every perceived opportunity? ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2017, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/153 "2017-11-20T18:19:25Z")
> [@Arrogantly\_Ignorant](#): > > Thanks! Wow, **Clothahump** leads such an enviable life. Bathing in smug superiority while floating through life and laughing at everyone he’s artificially ascribed as “other” behind their backs. Why is **Clothaump** so sure the woman was a libtard, by the way? Because she bitches about fumes from a lawnmower? Sure, that seems like a great standard to determine someone’s political stance. Fumes from an electric lawnmower. That was supposed to be the real punchline. But yeah, according to the photo he provided, we’re in a suburban neighborhood with mowed lawns as far as the eye can see (presumably none being cropped by sheep) and she chooses to bitch out the owner of one mowed lawn in particular. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2017, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/154 "2017-11-20T18:33:45Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > Instead, it is liberalism that aligns closest to what the Bible teaches. Liberalism aligns with the Bible saying that those who are not saved will be damned to Hell for torment for all eternity? ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2017, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/155 "2017-11-20T18:35:32Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > I don’t plan on addressing most of the OP. It’s been addressed better. But I do want to point out one thing: > > I am liberal specifically because of my Judeo-Christian values. There are two issues that conservatives seem to mean when they claim that they are about Christian values, and that’s abortion and homosexuality. As I have pointed out many times, abortion is never mentioned in the Bible, so, whatever your opinion on it, that is not a biblical principle. The other is more complicated, based on homophobia actually influencing Biblical translation. Basically, Paul had words he could use for actual homosexuality, but chose words that seem closer to damning pederasty instead. > > So, leaving those two out, there really is nothing about conservatism that appeals to Biblical values at all. Instead, it is liberalism that aligns closest to what the Bible teaches. Hell, we still keep putting up Christian candidates, while you wind up electing not only an atheist, but one who violates Christian principles left and right. > > The Bible is against racism. It says to give to the poor. It rejects the idea that rich people deserve their money. It says to pay your taxes. It says to put God’s law (morality) above man’s law. It hates legalism, which is the foundation of conservative legal analysis. It teaches love and compassion and not saying harsh words to people, so it preaches political correctness. Jesus said that those who live by the sword die by the sword, having no problem with restrictions on arms. We are to be kind and help foreigners who are in our lands, for goodness sake. > > The values of the Bible, the ones that don’t require following a particular religion, all seem to align with what we in this country consider liberal values. They say the best lie the Devil told was that he doesn’t exist, but I’d say the second best was convincing people that conservatism aligns with Christian values. There’s a reason so many “Christian” conservatives elected Trump. You must not have read the Bible. Especially the Old Testament. > [@Colibri](#): > > Stalking you? I was in this thread before you were, you pustule. Since you inject your puerile input all over the Pit, it’s not really possible to avoid you. “Stalking” you would be like stalking cockroaches. > > Once again, if you don’t want to be insulted, then stay out of the fucking pit, snowflake. Insult away. But why am I in the Pit? Strangely enough some of the better conversation actually occurs in the Pit. At least until those who can’t control themselves due to lack of civilizing restraints show up. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2017, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/156 "2017-11-20T18:42:18Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > Liberalism aligns with the Bible saying that those who are not saved will be damned to Hell for torment for all eternity? I’m sure there are verses that can be twisted in such a manner. Similar to the manner in which prosperity gospel, remarriage after divorce, lack of charity and compassion are all acceptable. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2017, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/157 "2017-11-20T18:43:15Z")
Funny thing, there. There’s actually a group of people whose religion focuses solely on the Old Testament, and it turns out that they’re overwhelmingly liberal. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2017, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/158 "2017-11-20T18:52:01Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > Liberalism aligns with the Bible saying that those who are not saved will be damned to Hell for torment for all eternity? Liberalism also aligns with the Bible saying that children caught teasing an elder must be punished by being torn apart by bears, and that you should kill your wife and children if they decide to worship other gods. Rules are rules, after all. ---
**Author:** ![Arrogantly\_Ignorant](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Arrogantly\_Ignorant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Arrogantly_Ignorant)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2017, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/159 "2017-11-20T18:53:47Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > Fumes from an electric lawnmower. That was supposed to be the real punchline. Sorry for the confusion, I got the punchline, I was just using **Clothahump’s** puerile name sarcastically. I’m pretty sure he doesn’t make a difference between a liberal and a libtard. It’s so childish. Like if I called every conservative a cuntservative or something similarly immature. It just seems that assuming that someone is a liberal because they’re (incorrectly and bizarrely) complaining about lawnmower fumes strikes me as profoundly stupid. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2017, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/160 "2017-11-20T19:00:17Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Liberalism also aligns with the Bible saying that children caught teasing an elder must be punished by being torn apart by bears, and that you should kill your wife and children if they decide to worship other gods. > > Rules are rules, after all. There are numerous things in Scripture that are overwhelmingly at odds with liberalism. (There are also many things in Scripture that are at odds with conservatism.) Anytime a conservative claims, “The Bible supports my conservatism” or a liberal claims “The Bible supports my liberalism”, I strongly suspect that someone is cherry-picking the Bible HARD to support their pet political views. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094.md?page=9)