# Can right and left agree on anything? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 19, 2017, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094 "2017-11-19T19:28:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Arrogantly\_Ignorant](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Arrogantly\_Ignorant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Arrogantly_Ignorant)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2017, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/161 "2017-11-20T19:10:15Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > There are numerous things in Scripture that are overwhelmingly at odds with liberalism. (There are also many things in Scripture that are at odds with conservatism.) Anytime a conservative claims, “The Bible supports my conservatism” or a liberal claims “The Bible supports my liberalism”, I strongly suspect that someone is cherry-picking the Bible HARD to support their pet political views. Yeah, I’ve never understood people’s need to have some type of arching continuity in the Bible. I’ve always looked at the Bible more akin to a collection of parables. Most of the parables aren’t connected and most invite interpretation. I think that’s partially why it’s popularity has endured. You can find whatever viewpoint you’re looking for in there. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2017, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/162 "2017-11-20T19:12:06Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > There are numerous things in Scripture that are overwhelmingly at odds with liberalism. (There are also many things in Scripture that are at odds with conservatism.) Anytime a conservative claims, “The Bible supports my conservatism” or a liberal claims “The Bible supports my liberalism”, I strongly suspect that someone is cherry-picking the Bible HARD to support their pet political views. Both sides would be much better off quoting parables from Aesop’s Fables. ---
**Author:** ![gytalf2000](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ac91a4/32.png) [@gytalf2000](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gytalf2000)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2017, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/163 "2017-11-20T19:16:15Z")
> [@elfkin477](#): > > I think all it would take was an alien invasion to get us all on the same page regardless of political affiliation. Oh, sure, there’d be a few missteps at first as we squabbled over plans that’d fail while stakes are still lower, but once the aliens killed a bunch of us off, we’d be brothers and sisters in arms, presenting a united front against those damn dirty aliens. That’s funny, isn’t that what Reagan was saying about relations with the Soviets, way back in the 1980s? Or am I misremembering? ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2017, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/164 "2017-11-20T19:26:38Z")
In fact, the Bible’s actual position on abortion is repellent to both the pro-life and pro-choice factions: The punishment for suspected infidelity is for a woman to be [forced to drink abortifacient herbs, together with a prayer that if she’s innocent, they won’t affect her](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Numbers+5%3A11-31). ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2017, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/165 "2017-11-20T19:30:00Z")
> [@Chisquirrel](#): > > I may not know my demonic lore very well, but I’m guessing no spawn of satan is such a fucking imbecile. You are obviously not familiar with Adam Sandler’s oeuvre. I give you [Little Nicky](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0185431/). ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2017, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/166 "2017-11-20T21:36:44Z")
> [@Arrogantly\_Ignorant](#): > > (Bolding mine) > > Easy. I was happening to film you for 24/7 that day and I can back up **Buck Godot**. The incident didn’t happen. I also measured the grass’s length that day and it conclusively shows that no part of the yard was cut that day. What a good thing I was there.\* > > \*If it isn’t obvious, this isn’t true. I’m don’t even know what story is being referenced. Just wanted to illustrate the complete idiocy of **Clothahump’s** request. Even if it was somehow possible to prove a negative. There’s no idiocy in the request. The idiocy lies in these little asswipes calling me a liar for posting about an event where I was present and they weren’t. That little basic fact doesn’t seem to stop them from making complete fools of themselves and claiming I lied about it. Hence my request - show proof that I lied, or shut the fuck up. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2017, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/167 "2017-11-20T21:39:48Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > There’s no idiocy in the request. The idiocy lies in these little asswipes calling me a liar for posting about an event where I was present and they weren’t. Yeah, especially since you’ve given us so many hundreds of other instances when you were blatantly lying, being disingenuous, trolling, or just being plain stupid. ---
**Author:** ![Filbert](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/filbert/32/3433_2.png) [@Filbert](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Filbert)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2017, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/168 "2017-11-20T22:06:39Z")
♪♫Fee-eed the tro-olls, tuppence a bag♫ ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2017, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/169 "2017-11-20T22:50:36Z")
Of course, the real tragedy of Clotha is that there are probably 5-20 million Americans just like him and they will retard American progress until they get pushed back into the ignored fringes. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2017, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/170 "2017-11-20T22:56:46Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > There’s no idiocy in the request. The idiocy lies in these little asswipes calling me a liar for posting about an event where I was present and they weren’t. That little basic fact doesn’t seem to stop them from making complete fools of themselves and claiming I lied about it. Hence my request - show proof that I lied, or shut the fuck up. Show proof that the incident actually happened, or shut the fuck up. That works as well. Actually no, please keep on a blatherin’; it’s a bit of cheap entertainment. ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2017, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/171 "2017-11-20T22:59:26Z")
I cannot respect anyone who would steal their username from a minor fantasy series. Oh, wait. . . ---
**Author:** ![Plumpudding](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/edb3f5/32.png) [@Plumpudding](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Plumpudding)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2017, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/172 "2017-11-20T23:16:55Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Load of lies? Really? Let’s just take this one to start: > \<\\> > Show where that is incorrect, please. As far as I know, most liberals in America are not and do not identify as socialists. And, as far as I know, dems and many of their social democratic/labor friends in Europe, are and identify as capitalists. I hope you shrink below the waistline soon, your stupid attempts at twisting socialism into _every_ idiotic, evil fantasy you can (or can’t! :smack:) think of, isn’t convincing anyone. You don’t know what socialism is and you can’t be bothered to find out. I vote for and identify with socialism, so I should know right? Btw: I support free speech, but I prioritize informed speech. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2017, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/173 "2017-11-20T23:46:36Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Short story. **Clothy** claims to have been mowing his lawn. Alleged libtard woman complains about the mower fumes. Clothy fails to capitalize on the perfect opportunity to humiliate said libtard due to the fact the mower is electric with a bright orange cord(a Trump-cord, if you will). > As evidence of this encounter, \*\*Clothy \*\*offers a photo of someone’s back from a block away. For the record, here’s the story: > [@Stupid liberal idea of the day](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-liberal-idea-of-the-day/579086/6102): > > Okay, I just might have won my own thread. > > I’m kind of old-fashioned. I actually like to mow my own lawn. And given the weather issues lately, it hasn’t been mown for a while and the grass had gotten rather long. > > So I’m out there this morning, mowing away. I stop to dump the grass catcher bag when I was confronted by a woman who was out jogging and who crossed the street to berate me. Why, you might ask? Well, according to her, I’m polluting the living hell out of the environment with the fumes from my lawnmower. She went on and on about how she could smell it and how she didn’t appreciated having to breathe the fumes and what an “insensitive jerk” I was to the needs of the planet and the people around me, and more typical liberal treehugger BS. > > I started laughing at her and couldn’t stop. She got even more upset, to the point where she yelled, and I quote: “It’s not funny, you sorry asshole. You’re killing other people and you don’t even care!” > > [Here’s her offended little ass jogging away from me.](https://i.imgur.com/Mk5f1lu.jpg) I’m just sorry that I don’t have a video of her tirade to share, but I couldn’t get to the phone quick enough. > > Now, the reason I say I win is that stupidity of this magnitude can only be marveled at. You just can’t make up stuff like this; all you can do is cherish it for the absolute moronic stupidity that it is. > > All the while that she was yelling at me about polluting the world and killing people, [this is what she was looking at.](https://i.imgur.com/xZQXNxc.jpg) Personally, I don’t doubt that the encounter went pretty much as described. That said, I struggle to find any reason to accept his interpretation of it as conclusive proof\* that the ideas of liberals are generally stupid and worthy of nothing more than dismissal. Sure, he points out that pictorial evidence shows him to be innocent of the accusation of using a gasoline-powered lawnmower. The woman’s attention to detail can obviously use some work. But if later on during her jog she were to encounter another resident actually USING a gasoline-powered lawnmower, and treated that resident to an identical scolding, her criticisms would have been entirely on point. One imagines that if she HAD noticed the zero (direct)-emissions nature of Clothy’s lawnmower, yet still felt an urge to chastise him, she would have done so on the basis of the resource-wasting character of lawns in general. Which ALSO would not have been stupid, _per se_. No, whether **Clothahump** is a liar and/or a troll is a secondary issue. It may well be that he is simply too stupid to recognize a poisoned well when he sees one (because that excerpt that he chose to put into his OP is inarguably and patently a poisoned well, even without getting into the distinction between actual conservatism and whatever is being advanced as conservatism there). _I assert that “Okay, I just might have won my own thread” is a claim that he has demonstrated his thesis._\* **N.B.** \* to **Clothahump** : “demonstrated his thesis” means “proved his point.” \*\*\*N.B. is an abbreviation for the Latin phrase _Nota bene_, which means “Note Well”; the idea being that I’m directing your attention to it, so you have a better chance of understanding it. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2017, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/174 "2017-11-20T23:57:48Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Personally, I don’t doubt that the encounter went pretty much as described. I’ve known too many people who invent their own narratives to not doubt that the encounter went anywhere except in his mind. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2017, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/175 "2017-11-21T00:04:43Z")
**C’hump** has such a persecution complex and need to attack anyone he sees as “liberal”, the jogger probably didn’t say anything beyond “hello”. If even that. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2017, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/176 "2017-11-21T00:10:05Z")
Perhaps she said “Buenos Dias”, and that caused a spittle gibbering rage to develop in the hump. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2017, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/177 "2017-11-21T00:13:38Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > I’ve known too many people who invent their own narratives to not doubt that the encounter went anywhere except in his mind. > [@Skywatcher](#): > > **C’hump** has such a persecution complex and need to attack anyone he sees as “liberal”, the jogger probably didn’t say anything beyond “hello”. If even that. N.B.: given that **C’hump** has difficulty with telling opinion from fact, the above is an opinion. Only a troll would repeatedly demand cites for obvious opinions, which is also an opinion. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2017, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/178 "2017-11-21T01:38:59Z")
Of course we can’t agree on anything, you dumb ass red state pig fuckers. You’re a third world country, basket of deplorable doesn’t describe you, you’re America’s Taliban and on the weekends we go down to buy some apple butter and see if we can get one of you meth addicts to fuck a donkey. You went through the 90s talking about how much you hate us, you missed the part where we hate you too and we’ve been fucking carrying you since the 40s. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2017, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/179 "2017-11-21T01:55:16Z")
Wow, **madmonk28** , there’s no need to mince words… ---
**Author:** ![Randolph](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Randolph](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Randolph)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2017, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094/180 "2017-11-21T02:06:35Z")
He’s always been mad, you know he’s been mad, like the most of us are. Very hard to explain why you’re mad, even if you’re not mad. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-right-and-left-agree-on-anything/802094.md?page=10)