# Can shooting victims sue the gun manufacturer?
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-shooting-victims-sue-the-gun-manufacturer/571384
**Category:** Factual Questions
**Created:** [February 15, 2011, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-shooting-victims-sue-the-gun-manufacturer/571384 "2011-02-15T00:01:46Z")
**Posts on this page:** 5
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### Author:  [@FE3O4ENAIL](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FE3O4ENAIL)
#### Post date: [February 17, 2011, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-shooting-victims-sue-the-gun-manufacturer/571384/61 "2011-02-17T01:51:24Z")
> [@mlees](#):
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> I don’t think so.
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> Incendiary ammunition is outlawed in most states, so a private individual caught with it is held at fault (along with whoever sold it to him, if it is possible to figure that out), not the manufacturer.
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> There is a legitimate lawful use for the stuff (military), so production itself is not necessarily illegal. (Assuming, as a manufacturer, you get all the required permits, etc.)
Google API 50 Cal. and you will see " API (Armor Piercing Incendiary)
with once-fired brass - 639gr
10 rnds…$3.99/rnd " without a long list of states not sold to, so I don’t think it is outlawed in most states.
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### Author:  [@Norse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Norse)
#### Post date: [February 17, 2011, 6:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-shooting-victims-sue-the-gun-manufacturer/571384/62 "2011-02-17T06:46:04Z")
> [@Lumpy](#):
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> > [@thelurkinghorror](#):
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> > Conversely, many states prohibit hunting deer with FMJ, instead requiring HP or SP rounds. I’m not sure whether the weighting is stronger on a more humane kill or limiting traveling beyond the target.
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> Possibly the latter; I’ve heard of locales where deer hunting has to be done with shotguns loaded with rifled slugs.
Where I live, it’s the former. An FMJ just doesn’t make a big enough hole in the animal. Game animals don’t die from kinetic energy. They die from blood loss, and the bigger the hole, the quicker and more serious the blood loss.
When hunting with a rifle, you have absolutely no guarantee that the bullet will stop in the animal. In fact, a medium-bore SP rifle bullet will usually pass right through a large deer. So the “SP for safety” theory is bull. Sorry.
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### Author:  [@T.Slothrop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/T.Slothrop)
#### Post date: [February 18, 2011, 8:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-shooting-victims-sue-the-gun-manufacturer/571384/63 "2011-02-18T08:50:23Z")
When I was first issued a Glock, I did some research on it. I found that the company seemed to always settle a suit out of court . . . even when the person who mishandled the weapon and managed to hurt himself with it was extremely (in my opinion) negligent. I told my wife to be prepared to sue regardless of how I managed to get killed by a Glock. Now I carry a H & K. I haven’t researched how H & K reacts to lawsuits.
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### Author:  [@Argent\_Towers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Argent_Towers)
#### Post date: [February 18, 2011, 8:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-shooting-victims-sue-the-gun-manufacturer/571384/64 "2011-02-18T08:55:31Z")
> [@T.Slothrop](#):
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> I haven’t researched how H & K reacts to lawsuits.
You suck, and they hate you.
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### Author:  [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)
#### Post date: [February 18, 2011, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-shooting-victims-sue-the-gun-manufacturer/571384/65 "2011-02-18T15:16:33Z")
> [@T.Slothrop](#):
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> Now I carry a H & K. I haven’t researched how H & K reacts to lawsuits.
They send Swiss mercenaries with silenced MP7A1s to your home at asshole-hundred hours to kill your entire family, burn your house down, and throw you out in the snow naked and coated with antifreeze.
Ever notice that while Austria gets invaded and pushed around a bit every century, the Germans don’t fuck around? If they even think they’re going to have a problem, they pre-empt by going around your defenses and slaughtering everything in sight.
Mein Furher, I can walk!
Stranger
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