# Can someone break down this whole Nunes Memo thing? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [January 23, 2018, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-someone-break-down-this-whole-nunes-memo-thing/807308 "2018-01-23T16:50:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 28
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2018, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-someone-break-down-this-whole-nunes-memo-thing/807308/541 "2018-02-09T20:37:36Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > I’d say about as permanent and meaningful as the sudden reverence Democratic voters have for the FBI. Appropos of this comment and subsequent discussion, I happened to notice this at [538.com](http://538.com): [Why Democrats And Republicans Did A Sudden 180 On The FBI](https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-democrats-and-republicans-did-a-sudden-180-on-the-fbi/) ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2018, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-someone-break-down-this-whole-nunes-memo-thing/807308/542 "2018-02-09T21:15:50Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > Appropos of this comment and subsequent discussion, I happened to notice this at [538.com](http://538.com): [Why Democrats And Republicans Did A Sudden 180 On The FBI](https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-democrats-and-republicans-did-a-sudden-180-on-the-fbi/) Interesting, but relies a bit too heavily on stereotypes of how Democrats and Republicans should feel about law enforcement. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2018, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-someone-break-down-this-whole-nunes-memo-thing/807308/543 "2018-02-10T02:39:54Z")
[Trump censors Democrat’s memo: won’t allow release](https://apnews.com/b41e04e53ccd4c1fb122a5418aae89ce/Trump-won't-declassify-Democratic-memo-on-Russia-probe). ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2018, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-someone-break-down-this-whole-nunes-memo-thing/807308/544 "2018-02-10T16:18:43Z")
But, what about transparancy with the American people? Is that all of a sudden not important anymore? Why do all of the conservative arguments in favor of the original memo being released not also apply for this memo? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2018, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-someone-break-down-this-whole-nunes-memo-thing/807308/545 "2018-02-10T16:44:34Z")
I’m vaguely curious if someone will leak the rebuttal in expectation of a pardon from the next Democratic president. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2018, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-someone-break-down-this-whole-nunes-memo-thing/807308/546 "2018-02-10T17:52:44Z")
> [@Airbeck](#): > > But, what about transparancy with the American people? Is that all of a sudden not important anymore? Why do all of the conservative arguments in favor of the original memo being released not also apply for this memo? Any old rationalization in a storm; whatever the base will buy, which is pretty much anything they say. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2018, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-someone-break-down-this-whole-nunes-memo-thing/807308/547 "2018-02-10T18:11:54Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > I’m vaguely curious if someone will leak the rebuttal in expectation of a pardon from the next Democratic president. Someone else brought this up, I don’t remember who, but what prevents them from pulling a Mike Gravel and reading it into the record like he did with the pentagon papers? ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2018, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-someone-break-down-this-whole-nunes-memo-thing/807308/548 "2018-02-10T18:36:58Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > Someone else brought this up, I don’t remember who, but what prevents them from pulling a Mike Gravel and reading it into the record like he did with the pentagon papers? As he been pointed out in several articles linked in this thread, all sides have something to lose if release of damaging intelligence spoils the trust between the Intelligence Committees and the Intelligende Community. But if a congressman or senator reads the memo into the Congressional Record, maybe they would be subject to some punishment from their house of Congress, but they can’t be arrested for leaking. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2018, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-someone-break-down-this-whole-nunes-memo-thing/807308/549 "2018-02-10T19:10:24Z")
It’s worth remembering that the Democratic rebuttal memo has already been scrubbed by both the FBI and the Justice Department to ensure no damaging intelligence will be released. Unlike the GOP memo. So any redactions made by the White House will be purely political. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2018, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-someone-break-down-this-whole-nunes-memo-thing/807308/550 "2018-02-10T19:34:52Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > It’s worth remembering that the Democratic rebuttal memo has already been scrubbed by both the FBI and the Justice Department to ensure no damaging intelligence will be released. Unlike the GOP memo. So any redactions made by the White House will be purely political. That isn’t accurate according to this: [http://thehill.com/homenews/house/373234-schiff-dems-will-to-review-recommended-memo-redactions-from-doj-fbi](http://thehill.com/homenews/house/373234-schiff-dems-will-to-review-recommended-memo-redactions-from-doj-fbi) This says the FBI and DOJ asked for redactions. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2018, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-someone-break-down-this-whole-nunes-memo-thing/807308/551 "2018-02-10T19:41:03Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > That isn’t accurate according to this: > > [http://thehill.com/homenews/house/373234-schiff-dems-will-to-review-recommended-memo-redactions-from-doj-fbi](http://thehill.com/homenews/house/373234-schiff-dems-will-to-review-recommended-memo-redactions-from-doj-fbi) > > This says the FBI and DOJ asked for redactions. [Paragraph 3](https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/05/politics/democratic-memo-release-house-intelligence/index.html). Schiff said publicly and repeatedly over the past week that the Democratic memo would not be released until the FBI and DOJ had a chance to redact. ETA: So I suppose it would be more accurate to say the memo “would be” redacted before release rather than “has been.” I guess FBI and DOJ were never even given the chance to do it. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2018, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-someone-break-down-this-whole-nunes-memo-thing/807308/552 "2018-02-10T20:12:08Z")
Yes, my nitpick was about any redactions would be solely because of the White House. I think we’re on the same page now. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2018, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-someone-break-down-this-whole-nunes-memo-thing/807308/553 "2018-02-10T20:38:11Z")
I just wanted to make it clear that no classified information would be released because the _Dems_ released it. Trump implies that it would, and (as usual), that’s a lie. I read back a little in the thread and I didn’t see where the point had been made. Apologies if it has. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2018, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-someone-break-down-this-whole-nunes-memo-thing/807308/554 "2018-02-10T20:59:12Z")
Republican Congressman Justin Amash just tweeted, “Both the Republican and Democratic #FISA memos should be released. I’ve read both memos. Neither one endangers national security. The American people deserve the opportunity to read both memos.” > ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2018, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-someone-break-down-this-whole-nunes-memo-thing/807308/555 "2018-02-10T21:14:52Z")
Geez…even AMASH is doing the truth and justice thing now. Trump makes strange bedfellows… ---
**Author:** ![OwnRules](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ea666f/32.png) [@OwnRules](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OwnRules)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2018, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-someone-break-down-this-whole-nunes-memo-thing/807308/556 "2018-02-16T21:49:55Z")
I’m old enough to remember when they said this ‘explosive’ memo was going to end the Mueller investigation. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2018, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-someone-break-down-this-whole-nunes-memo-thing/807308/557 "2018-02-17T02:42:59Z")
This “they” of whom you speak… I rise to “Huh?”. ---
**Author:** ![OwnRules](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ea666f/32.png) [@OwnRules](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OwnRules)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2018, 8:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-someone-break-down-this-whole-nunes-memo-thing/807308/558 "2018-02-17T08:28:16Z")
[House GOPers Say A Secret Memo Could End The Trump-Russia Probe](https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-russia-mueller-fbi-doj-house-gop_us_5a613a58e4b01d91b25446b5) > [@](#): > > The memo Republican staffers compiled reveals information that is “absolutely shocking,” “sickening,” “jaw-dropping” and “worse than Watergate,” GOP members of Congress said Thursday and Friday. The document could send government officials to jail, one congressman said. “Is this happening in America or is this the KGB?” asked another. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2018, 9:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-someone-break-down-this-whole-nunes-memo-thing/807308/559 "2018-02-19T09:43:07Z")
> [@OwnRules](#): > > [House GOPers Say A Secret Memo Could End The Trump-Russia Probe](https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-russia-mueller-fbi-doj-house-gop_us_5a613a58e4b01d91b25446b5) That…is certainly an article about a thing. ---
**Author:** ![jasg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f0a364/32.png) [@jasg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jasg)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2018, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-someone-break-down-this-whole-nunes-memo-thing/807308/560 "2018-02-24T21:21:30Z")
Looks like the Schiff memo has been [released](http://docs.house.gov/meetings/ig/ig00/20180205/106838/hmtg-115-ig00-20180205-sd002.pdf). (PDF) News article here. [Democratic intelligence memo released today -- live updates - CBS News](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/democratic-intelligence-memo-expected-release-today-02-24-2018-live-updates/) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-someone-break-down-this-whole-nunes-memo-thing/807308.md?page=27)