Can someone break down this whole Nunes Memo thing?

“There are exactly 57 card-carrying members of the Communist Party in the Department of Defense at this time!” - Senator John Yerkes Iselin

It’s also generally believed that the memo alleges politicization of FISA, but of course Nunes announced the memo just days after voting to renew FISA without any significant oversight changes. That seems like decent evidence that he doesn’t give the evidence in it much credence either.

The same reason you don’t show the monster in a horror film. What people imagine is always scarier than the real thing.

I think is is to be released once it has been transcribed from the original crayon.

It takes time to get the classified redactions approved. References to the source material (which is really what this is all about) are probably extremely sensitive.

…and/or the downgrade to whatever level they decide to “release” it at, depending on exactly who the recipients are.

In order to discredit the FBI and Robert Mueller, Nunes and some republicans wrote a memo saying that the FBI is corrupt and Obama spied.

The GOP controls congress. They can release their memo that they wrote anytime they want. They also refuse to share the memo with the justice department, since it isn’t a valid investigation. It is a talking point designed to make the public not trust law enforcement.

I think elucidator said it best:

"The FBI is in cahoots with a plot to bring down a right-wing authoritarian administration.

You can take me now, Lord. Seen it all."

That’s a rather odd hypothesis, considering Trump ran as the “law-and-order” candidate, now with all the immigration enforcement and illicit drug crackdowns.

Fixed it for ya: :wink:

The FBI is in cahoots with a plot to prevent a right-wing authoritarian administration.[

They should just have it turn up on a DNC email server and be done with it.

When the right talks about ‘law and order’ it is a dog whistle for letting the police corral and brutalize scary non-whites. It has nothing to do with actual law and order (Trump is possibly the most criminal president we’ve ever had).

Of course Trump supports police when they go after brown and black people. He just doesn’t like them when they go after white collar criminals (emphasis on the “white”).

I don’t think Nunes had seen the memo when the FISA vote happened. Here’s what I posted in another thread on the subject

…My theory is completely different. I think Trump went ballistic when the House Intelligence Committee summoned Hope Hicks for an interview. I think this action crossed a Trumpian “red line”. And I think Trump set his sights on his toady Nunes.

Nunes, desperately trying to appease Trump, agreed to all his demands. The interview with Hicks was postponed. But I think the White House also gave him this memo and demanded that he put his name on it
Kind of a replay of what happened last year. But these people don’t learn. This is Stupid Watergate.

And I think once it’s released, it will become blindingly obvious who wrote the memo. My guess is Steven Miller. And my guess is he didn’t make any attempt to alter his style and that he used the same phrases and rhetoric that were found in the other memos and speeches he’s written.

And the press will realize this and it will be a scandal for about 2 days until someone does something even dumber. Because this is Stupid Watergate…

And I just want to add, these unmasking scandals are stupid. Because unmasking happens all the time, it’s pretty routine and it happens at a much lower level than Obama or even Susan Rice. Do you think if an American was caught on tape making unscrupulous deals with a foreign national that the agents would let that slide? Of course, they’re going to find out who it is. It’s SOP.

That train left the station a year ago.

It is possible, though I just read one report saying that Nunes’ staff prepared it. And, more importantly, so long as Nunes says that he wrote it, the fact that he voted for 702 is a pretty useful metric to hold against the believability of the memo.

Am I missing something here or is paying for oppo research illegal and I don’t know it? Seems to me that if you’re paying for something that you’d want it to be true. I mean, anybody can just make shit up, am I right?

I think the White House theory is that Hillary got information from someone who got it from someone that ultimately got it from some Russians so that’s THREE times as much collusion as getting info directly from the Russians would be. But the last one isn’t collusion at all. Just talking .Maybe about adoptions. or something.

There is nothing wrong with contracting and paying for opposition research. It’s commonly done.

What is illegal is when you use the fruits of your opposition research that flow from illegal sources and/or solicit illegal acts to further your own objectives.

There’s a massive difference between discovering illegal activity as a result of your oppo research, which you then refer to the FBI for appropriate action, v. accepting information that is offered from a foreign source with the exclamation, “I love it!” and then using this illegally-obtained information to subvert an election in your favor.

And you’ve squarely put your thumb on the Steele dossier dealio. The issue isn’t what the dossier alleges. The issue is how much of it is true. As it turns out based on independent investigation of the FBI, looks like a lot of it is true.

“I know something you don’t know…”

Just like kids on a kindergarten playground.

He also ran as a guy that was going to have Mexico fund a giant wall. He’s sometimes hard to trust.
As far as the memo goes, I don’t care what a bunch of Republicans determined by themselves in an “investigation”.