I don’t know. Why don’t you link us the report you saw?
So the Nunes (the same Nunes who ran to the White House and shared information on the investigation w/o consulting his Dem counterpart ) writes a memo. The Dems see it and say its slanted and missing pertinent information. The Pubs vote to release it but prevent the Dems from publically releasing their own memo that counters it. And the DOJ doesn’t want it released. Do I have this right? This whole thing is a disgrace and embarrassment. Is enough EVER going to be enough?
The point of all this is to keep inching “enough” ahead, bit by bit.
If Trump had fired Robert Mueller last year, it might have ended in disaster for him. So they started up this “the FBI is corrupt” nonsense to get the base behind them. Now that all Trumpists are absolutely convinced the FBI is, indeed, corrupt, they will dismantle it and eventually fire Mueller, with GOP politicians feeling it’s now safe to do so.
I can’t find anything about whether the House will be able to *see *the Democrat rebuttal memo. However, the public *definitely *won’t be able to see it.
The Republicans voted to release the Republican-written memo that exonerates the Republican President… but also voted to prevent the Democrats from releasing their own version of the memo. But they might allow it in a week or so. You know, if the Democrats behave, or something.
Honestly, that should really tell you everything you need to know about how honest they’re being about this whole thing.
It’s almost like the stock market, how speculation fans the flames of ignorance around here.
Sure we will. It will be leaked simultaneously with the public release of the Republican one, to permit compare ‘n’ contrast in the same news cycle.
I think this is conspiracy-theory thinking, but if you’re determined to see that sort of thing:
FOX: Paul Ryan calls to ‘cleanse’ the FBI, backs surveillance memo release
If you have comments about the board, those belong in ATMB. This drive by sniping is little removed from trolling so knock it off.
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Well, that seems reasonable. Make unsubstantiated claims of corruption for which the agency involved has no means to respond, and then demand reforms to address the corruption.
No politics here. Nope. Not related to Mueller, nope. This is merely about defending the notable dolt, Carter Page, American (and Russian!) Hero.
So is the right arguing that if the FISA court had known that the underlying information supporting the continued surveillance of Carter Page was derived from someone on the Clinton campaign payroll it would have to deny the warrant and ordered the surveillance to end? What if the court did know and still ruled the request to be sufficient? Would they then claim that the judges, all of whom were appointed by Chief Justice Roberts, were also in on the conspiracy?
I don’t think we can reasonably know what “the right” would argue in your hypothetical.
Well, you’re a part of it. What would your opinion be?
It’s a scenario that’s a bit too far-fetched for me to properly put myself in that frame of mind, so I have a hard time guessing.
It’s a pointlessly hypothetical question. That’s not what’s being alleged.
Remember, none of the House Committee members who voted to release the memo, including Devin Nunes, read any of the classified material that supported the FISA warrant renewal. The fact that the memo is less than 5 pages long indicates how cherry-picked the information is, since FISA warrant applications tend to run to 60 pages or more.
The House Committee is so interested in transparency, they won’t even let Republican Richard Burr, Chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, read the memo.
Adam Schiff has read the underlying classified material. He and others who have read it all say it’s a perfectly routine application for renewal of a FISA warrant. In the interests of transparency, Schiff has also called for the release of a transcript of the House Committee’s meeting yesterday, which he believes will reveal the lunacy of the discussions around release of the Nunes memo. The House Committee majority is scuffing their toes in the dirt on doing that. Said they might, but haven’t. You know; transparency.
It’s worth noting that Carter Page is confirmed to be a Russian tool, wittingly or otherwise, since 2014. In a normal world, this is usually something to keep an eye on in the interests of national security. Guess that’s not important anymore, so long as Trump is protected.
This is the standard Trumpist response; “oh, that won’t happen,” and then when it does, it’s okay.
Feel free to point me back to this exchange if we get some hard evidence that sciurophobic’s hypothetical reflected reality. AFAICT, it does not today.
But Trumpists, by definition, would’ve been okay with a purge last year or any other time. They didn’t need to bother with an excuse for them, especially since they’ve already been screaming witch hunt since day one.
Anyway, I’m not 100% sure that they’ll find a “dismantling” all that easy. Maybe it will be, but I’m skeptical for now.
Yes it is. From [Newsweek](The memo’s main gripe is that officials within the FBI and DOJ did not inform the intelligence court judge from whom they sought approval of the warrant that some of the information used to justify it came from the now infamous dossier that alleged years of collusion between Trump and the Kremlin.)
Implicit in this is that if the court had been fully informed it would have ruled differently.
Typically, isn’t a coup undertaken in order to throw those in power out? It would seem … counterproductive for the GOP to undertake a coup at this particular time in history.