What will your feelings on it be if it is significant? If it is not significant?
I would assume (and I know…assume) that if it were significant, you would go on about how terrible the deep state is and all that that is accused, correct?
If it is insignificant, will you be holdin those who wrote it for the purposes of manipulating the american public and discrediting our federal law enforcement and intelligence agencies to account?
I would say that begbert2 has reached a conclusion. He has certainly stated an opinion to that fact. I would assume that he would also admit that.
Good, because that is not at all evident in your earlier statements.
It seems he has too, but for reasons he has not gone into in depth. Those could include the keep-away game Nunes is playing specifically, and his prior conduct that is so egregious he had to recuse himself (why is he back, btw?), as well as the synchrony of the timing with Trump’s own efforts to discredit any investigation into him. So yes, he’s reached a conclusion, perhaps prematurely but consistent with other known facts, not flouting them as your own appears to be.
That’s not what I mean. I mean, last year, Trump could’ve said he needed to clean house at the FBI because there were too many career bureaucrats there and besides they made fun of his hair, and Trumpists would’ve nodded and said, “sounds reasonable to me,” like they have countless times about a million different things since before the election. So I’m asking, why bother with an excuse for Trumpists?
Hard to say. I don’t even know what it says. Sounds like we’re all mostly guessing about the contents. And I’ve got no more power to hold anyone to account than you or any other John Q. Citizen. Whether Trump conspired with Russia to steal the election, or Nunes and Gowdy conspired to discredit the FBI, or the Obama administration conspired with the FBI to hoodwink FISA into authorizing them to tap Trump’s wires in a failed attempt to assist HRC in stealing the Presidency, I think it’s a safe bet that I won’t be putting the screws to any of them.
You might be correct considering the embarrassing lack of self-awareness and historical perspective exhibited by today’s rabid left. It’s like walking into a church and wondering why the preacher keeps referring to “him”. Perhaps I should mind my context clues. It is taken as axiomatic here that only the “white supremacist” right can be conspiracy theorists.
I don’t get to vote for / against Nunes, Gowdy, the FBI, the Obama administration, or FISA. The only one I do get to vote for / against is Trump, and he’s going to win my state regardless of how I vote.
I am of the opinion that I have already reached a conclusion.
I suppose that I’m open to the idea that there’s actually some shred of merit to the idea that some FBI guy deserves a dressing down for something he did, and that some censuring should take place. I would be willing to accept some documentary evidence from a credible source to that effect.
I’ve gotten the impression that those who’ve read the application for renewal of the FISA warrant do not think there’s anything there to find, so I’d be really surprised of something like this occurred.
But even if it did, that wouldn’t change the fact that this peekaboo I-have-secret-proof-of-evil-trust-me bullshit is still blown insanely out of proportion and the whole situation has been rigged to trick the gullible/biased fox-news-watching types into thinking there’s fire behind this cartoon drawing of smoke. No matter what actually occurred, this is a bullshit partisan scam.
You get to vote for local people. They are your voice.
Your state legislature is not completely ineffective. Your governor has a voice that gets listened to. Even your city/town politicians have some influence on those above them.
It’s all connected, holistic politics.
Besides, you will get to vote in primaries, and I wouldn’t take it as given that trump runs unopposed, so you may get to vote against him, while still voting for a (hopefully sane) republican.
Mueller is a Republican, he was appointed by a Republican, Rosenstein. How the hell can his investigation be considered “a bullshit partisan scam”? What is partisan about Republicans investigating another Republican? I’ve never heard of a partisan attack on someone in the same party. It doesn’t even make logical sense considering the definition of the word.
I would like to point out that “the Trump-Russia-collusion story” is a bit bigger of an item than just Mueller’s investigation, and “similar opinions” wasn’t intended as an endorsement of every single word begbert2 wrote, but as a general sense that many (but not all) of those same sentiments seem applicable there as well.
I’d like to go on record as saying that if we’re going to count the “Trump-Russia-collusion story” as including things outside the official (and basically completely close-lipped) Mueller investigation, then yes, there are probably parts of the completely unsubstantiated speculation that random people on the internet are making that have no basis in reality.
(And before you say anything, regarding the Nunes thing there are people ‘in the know’ who say that the republicans who fabricated this pile of shit are full of shit. The only people ‘in the know’ who are saying it’s not full of shit are the shitbags who fabricated this pile of shit in the first place.)
If I’m reading this correctly, I think you’re arguing in the same vein as “only Donald Trump knows if he is lying or not.” I disagree. Trump and Nunes probably have no clue when they are lying and when they are telling the truth; it takes someone else to figure it out.
The stupidity of it is so great that I honestly could not tell at first if you were making fun of the idea of Mueller’s investigation being a scam, or simply noting that the proposed Congressional investigation of Mueller is a scam.
HurricaneDitka’s “well, I’m open to evidence on the matter” position is precisely equivalent to me saying “I am open to evidence on the matter of whether or not Queen Elizabeth II is a reptilian alien from another planet.” It’s technically true that I would seriously consider legitimate evidence to that effect (or to any effect) but it’s such an idiotic possibility that it’s not worth thinking about.
Here are the facts:
There is no evidence at all, none, that Robert Mueller is anything other than a good cop doing his job.
There is no evidence at all that his investigation is politically motivated. None. Not a smidgen.
There isn’t even any reason to think that there might be evidence supporting either of the above possibilities.
