# Can someone define "Cultural Marxism" Please? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [July 25, 2011, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-someone-define-cultural-marxism-please/590262 "2011-07-25T13:26:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2012, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-someone-define-cultural-marxism-please/590262/161 "2012-12-26T01:23:24Z")
> [@wildorchid](#): > > The colonists had ‘colonial scrip’ which was their own currency that they issued themselves. > when that was taken away unemployment appeared almost instantly, which had been unknown in the colonies up until that time. Cite? > [@wildorchid](#): > > now what exactly do bankers have to offer us?? Loans, for one thing, and that’s a pretty big thing. Industrial capitalism would be impossible without fractional-reserve banking. And imagine living in a society where you can never buy a house or a car until you’ve saved up the full price. > [@wildorchid](#): > > why do we require the service of a foreign central bank to supply our currency . . . We don’t; we have an **American** central bank for that. > [@wildorchid](#): > > . . . when we could supply it ourselves, and cut them out? Who’s the “we” here? If it’s the national “we,” then “supply it ourselves” is exactly what we do. Makes no difference whether the money comes from a government mint or the quasi-private Federal Reserve; private contractors do a **lot** of the government’s work anyway, always have. Now, there’s nothing to stop you from agreeing with friends to use your own private scrip-currency among yourselves. > [@wildorchid](#): > > In the final equation, they are just pimps who suck our energy, :rolleyes: What, you think bankers don’t work for their salaries?! They do. For the rest, re-read post #153 above. > [@wildorchid](#): > > . . . and ruin our economy in manipulated planned out cycles of boom and bust. :dubious: **Really** gonna need a cite for **that.** > [@wildorchid](#): > > In I’m gathering that the answer is ‘they know whats best, and we don’t’?? No, the answer is that we need somebody around doing what bankers do. > [@wildorchid](#): > > In btw, when someone calls Andrew Jackson an ‘idiot’ they have lost credibility w/ me, and only betrayed their own idiocy, imo. You will find Andrew Jackson ain’t too popular around here; many GDers consider him not just an idiot but a monster, mainly for the way he dealt with Indians, which was harshly even for his time. The Trail of Tears was Jackson’s doing, for one thing. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2012, 6:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-someone-define-cultural-marxism-please/590262/162 "2012-12-26T06:20:33Z")
> [@wildorchid](#): > > **Reagan Administration allowed Soviet takeover of Education** > > [http://www.nhteapartycoalition.org/tea/2012/03/31/reagan-administration-allowed-soviet-takeover-of-education](http://www.nhteapartycoalition.org/tea/2012/03/31/reagan-administration-allowed-soviet-takeover-of-education/) I was concerned enough about this treason to click the first link, which in turn referred me to an “Edu-Gate Washington Times Article 1987.” I was surprised to find that this “Article” was actually a flashy full-page _Advertisement_ by the “National Citizens Alliance.” I didn’t study the ad rigorously, but apparently the Reagan Administration hired the Carnegie Corporation to direct the transfer of American schools to Soviet control, so that American students could be tortured. The details were unclear; perhaps OP can provide a better summary. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2012, 7:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-someone-define-cultural-marxism-please/590262/163 "2012-12-26T07:02:56Z")
> [@wildorchid](#): > > [http://www.nhteapartycoalition.org/tea/2012/03/31/reagan-administration-allowed-soviet-takeover-of-education/](http://www.nhteapartycoalition.org/tea/2012/03/31/reagan-administration-allowed-soviet-takeover-of-education/)] :rolleyes: Dude, that’s a Tea Party link. It has roughly the same credibility as a link to VDare or an American Nazi site, that is to say, none. ---
**Author:** ![Docta\_G](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/2bfe46/32.png) [@Docta\_G](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Docta_G)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2012, 7:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-someone-define-cultural-marxism-please/590262/164 "2012-12-26T07:05:08Z")
> [@wildorchid](#): > > [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialectic](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialectic) > This has everything to do w/ pholisophy… Marx was a philosopher, remember?? (albeit a bad one, a kind of ‘hired gun’ who was put up to it.) > > please show where i mis-understand Helgelian dialectic (i was speaking of one aspect of it, ie. history…) > > I majored in philosophy, and was fortunate to have one well-known professor who was great (now deceased), so w/e. i don’t care what you think, and your put-downs just weaken your own credibility imo. > > I wouldnt re-read Kant, or Hegel if you paid me a million bucks. (horrible head ache… i’m assuming YOU have read that garbage?? i’m interested…) > …but i do understand the implications and influence that their philosophy (including Fichte) has had on the 20th century and all the horrors that took place in it as a result of socialist dictators and the people who went along with them. > In a nutshell, it’s: nihilism, irrationalism, (Kants phenomona ) , and the abandonment of aristotles’ reason; > It’s substituting ‘you can’t know, so just do as your told’ for individual moral choice… > This philosophy is evident everywhere you look in modern American culture, as it was in 1933 Germany. It’s still getting rammed down our throats in school. > it used to be ‘God hates a liar’, and now it’s "don’t lie because you might get caught’ that parents teach their children, and then we wonder why society is falling apart… the individual is being undermined by the ‘collective’, and moral choice is replaced by the results of operant conditioning designed to control behavior. I’m a Phil prof, and you know my name. You don’t know shit about philosophy, Marx, Hegel, or Kant. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2012, 7:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-someone-define-cultural-marxism-please/590262/165 "2012-12-26T07:07:23Z")
> [@Docta\_G](#): > > I’m a Phil prof, and you know my name. > > You don’t know shit about philosophy, Marx, Hegel, or Kant. **wildorchid** is living proof of the aphorism that “A **little** learning is a dangerous thing.” ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2012, 8:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-someone-define-cultural-marxism-please/590262/166 "2012-12-26T08:28:19Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > **wildorchid** is living proof of the aphorism that “A **little** learning is a dangerous thing.” Is that valid if the things one learns are factually incorrect? If you learn wrong things, does that count as actual learning? Given that one must be retrieved from error and pointed in the right direction, is faulty learning not worse than ignorance (and clearly in this case less blissful)? I refer to two points where **wildorchid** ’s assertions are obviously erroneous: that Jacob Schiff funded the Bolsheviks and that compulsory education coincided with the establishment of the Fed (or whatever). Supporting one’s argument with invalid assertions does exactly the opposite of bolstering the case. Cultural Marxism is starting to smell strong of \* the last fumes of evaporating reality\* (sorry, Fred). ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2012, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-someone-define-cultural-marxism-please/590262/167 "2012-12-26T18:29:04Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > I was concerned enough about this treason to click the first link, which in turn referred me to an “Edu-Gate Washington Times Article 1987.” I was surprised to find that this “Article” was actually a flashy full-page _Advertisement_ by the “National Citizens Alliance.” I didn’t study the ad rigorously, but apparently the Reagan Administration hired the Carnegie Corporation to direct the transfer of American schools to Soviet control, so that American students could be tortured. The details were unclear; perhaps OP can provide a better summary. Oh, yes, just ask anyone who went to public school during the Reagan years. Rackings weekly, floggings daily. ---
**Author:** ![wildorchid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/82dd89/32.png) [@wildorchid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wildorchid)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2012, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-someone-define-cultural-marxism-please/590262/168 "2012-12-31T22:23:54Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > I repeat: What does your notion that “Bankers have been creating arbitrary enemies, arming governments against each other, and creating debt slaves since ancient Babylon (5000 years)…” have to do with philosophy? > > 😕 Who hired him? > > [Hegelian dialectic:](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hegelian_dialectic#Hegelian_dialectic) > > IOW, it’s a purely philosophical tool – **not** a political one. > > Perhaps you are confusing Hegel’s dialectic with [Marx’.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hegelian_dialectic#Marxist_dialectics) But **that** is not a political tool either, it is simply a theoretical substructure of Marx’ [historical determinism.](http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Historical_determinism) so philosophy has nothing to do with reality?? hmmmm… it has never effected world events? never swayed the thinking of nations? philosophers werent the rock stars of their times? should be obvious that Marx was a post turtle (he was put up to it). just read his crap. pretty much a hack, and it doesnt pass muster as philosophy and isnt even comparable to it, and yet people hold it up like its a sacrament or something… “like Lenin said ‘see who benefits, and uh…you know’” - the dude. also, look for Marxs (twisted) poetry and read that garbage… should make one wonder just who the f\*\*\* this guy was… I’m not aware of hard evidence as to who funded him, but someone must have. maybe reviewing his 10 planks of the communist manifesto might supply some clues?? ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2012, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-someone-define-cultural-marxism-please/590262/169 "2012-12-31T22:27:03Z")
> [@wildorchid](#): > > I’m not aware of hard evidence as to who funded him, but someone must have. maybe reviewing his 10 planks of the communist manifesto might supply some clues?? In other words, you have no idea. So why the conspiracy theory? ---
**Author:** ![wildorchid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/82dd89/32.png) [@wildorchid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wildorchid)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2012, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-someone-define-cultural-marxism-please/590262/170 "2012-12-31T22:45:36Z")
> [@Docta\_G](#): > > I’m a Phil prof, and you know my name. > > You don’t know shit about philosophy, Marx, Hegel, or Kant. thank you, and i take that as a complement, considering that it is all the biggest pile of rubbish ever, I pity the fool who gets snared into reading any of it… and the pied pipers who are still hawking it… Kant, ect… is essentially a step away from truth for humanity… it’s poison… it’s anti-pholisophy in a way, because it seeks to undermine Aristotle and logic, which previously had _been_ pholisophy. Aristotle was _the_ philospher… the study of philospophy was the same thing as the study of Aristotle. and my proof? how toxic is Marx and wrecking crew? what effect did they have in the world? ] Mao kills 60-80 million in marxist genocide ]Hitler kills 12-16 mill in genocide inspired by eugenics and Thule society type mysticism. education reforms out of U of Berlin under Hegel, and Fichte (prussian model of education) instilled the ‘only following orders’ mentality in the well-meaning german people who went along with it. (we trashed freewill remember?) ] Stalin kills 9 million in communist genocide, but thats after the failure of the bolshevik revolution which swiftly caused the death of @5 mill through starvation under Lenin (who said it was worth it). everyone was thrilled w/ ‘from each according to his ability/ to each according to his need’ and forgot to grow any crops figuring they all had it made now? but… despite the glaring track record in history of widespread misery and injustice being spawned by these toxic ‘philosophies’ which is really a word used out of courtesy to describe them, lemmings appear willing to think ‘progressive’ is a cool agenda, and will deny that its the same thing all over again, like that will make it not be that way… (wishful ‘thinking’) it’s actually beyond redic that people are so foolish and naive as to latch onto a thoroughly failed and downright evil system, socialism, or collectivism, w/e btw your weak attempt at flaming me is the poorest representation of sophistry, and your use of language could persuade me to bet my eye teeth thet you are nothing what you claim to be lol. as for me, who cares if i understand a bunch of garbage?? you really care enough about that to transform into a professor-troll?? lol ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2012, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-someone-define-cultural-marxism-please/590262/171 "2012-12-31T22:49:37Z")
> [@wildorchid](#): > > as for me, who cares if i understand a bunch of garbage?? Ahem: > [@wildorchid](#): > > That international banking cartels would fund and foment communism should actually come as no surprise if one knows history, and philosophy. > [@wildorchid](#): > > I majored in philosophy, and was fortunate to have one well-known professor who was great (now deceased) > [@](#): > > you really care enough about that to transform into a professor-troll?? lol You’re not allowed to insult other posters in this forum, and you can’t call them trolls. Don’t do it again. ---
**Author:** ![wildorchid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/82dd89/32.png) [@wildorchid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wildorchid)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2012, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-someone-define-cultural-marxism-please/590262/172 "2012-12-31T23:01:32Z")
philosophy.lander.edu/logic/authority.html > [@Docta\_G](#): > > I’m a Phil prof, and you know my name. > > You don’t know shit about philosophy, Marx, Hegel, or Kant. ---
**Author:** ![wildorchid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/82dd89/32.png) [@wildorchid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wildorchid)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2012, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-someone-define-cultural-marxism-please/590262/173 "2012-12-31T23:10:57Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > :rolleyes: Dude, that’s a Tea Party link. It has roughly the same credibility as a link to VDare or an American Nazi site, that is to say, none. yes, obv not credible since they are not confirmed marxists… only _they_ have credibility… i love how you guys unwittingly prove my point for me. the \>\>\>political correctness\<\<\< that’s being exhibited here… political correctness _is_ the life blood of cultural marxism, (and yet you guys seem to dismiss it to the realm of fantasy and conspiracy theory, and at the same time enforce a politically correct mind-set, which this post exemplified. ) Marcuse, Horkheimer came up with this non-sense, and now its all pervasive… yes, little timmy, there WAS a frankfurt school of social research at Columbia University; that really happened… and academics fanned out from there. marxists like Fromm, Mead, Boas became standard issue in university curriculum. cliffs: denies cultural marxism while insisting on political correctness L O fn’ L ---
**Author:** ![wildorchid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/82dd89/32.png) [@wildorchid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wildorchid)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2012, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-someone-define-cultural-marxism-please/590262/174 "2012-12-31T23:23:23Z")
just try suggesting in a conversation with a random that: “I really love my country, i love America, it’s values, and what it stands for” and see how many get immediately uncomfortable, and some will even get angry, or scapegoat you because they can’t stand what you said. It’s not PC to be proud of your heritage; that you should have shame for being American is the popular narrative. just look around yourself. ask yourself 'how did it get this way? what influenced people to adopt a negative view of their own country and heritage?? our grandparents sure wouldnt react like this… its been conditioned into us. the public school system teaches it to kids in the 15000 hours that they have kids for in their lives, away from their parents influence and values… then, if they have potential to become indoctrinarians themselves, they can go to marxist Universities and learn to teach it themselves… ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2013, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-someone-define-cultural-marxism-please/590262/175 "2013-01-01T01:45:07Z")
> [@wildorchid](#): > > just try suggesting in a conversation with a random that: “I really love my country, i love America, it’s values, and what it stands for” and see how many get immediately uncomfortable, and some will even get angry, or scapegoat you because they can’t stand what you said. It’s not PC to be proud of your heritage; that you should have shame for being American is the popular narrative. just look around yourself. Right wing nonsense. America is a nation full of people who practically froth at the mouth about how awesome America is and about how it’s better than every other country on Earth in every conceivable way. For most Americans the fact that other countries are as good or better in many ways is an inconceivable heresy, something to be ignored or shouted down. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2013, 7:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-someone-define-cultural-marxism-please/590262/176 "2013-01-01T07:25:42Z")
> [@Docta\_G](#): > > I’m a Phil prof, and you know my name. > > You don’t know shit about philosophy, Marx, Hegel, or Kant. > > > [@wildorchid](#): > > > > philosophy.lander.edu/logic/authority.html Umm, > [@](#): > > … > C. The informal structure generally has the basic pattern: > Authority on subject x, L says accept statement p. > p is outside the scope of or not germane to the subject x. > p is true. > … > III. Uses of the ad verecundiam. > A. Proper experts and authorities render valuable opinions in their fields and, ceteris paribus, should have direct bearing on the argument at hand—especially if we have no better evidence to base a conclusion securer grounds. > … Authority on philosophy, **Docta G** philosophy professor says I know shit about philosophy, Marx, Hegel, and Kant. Philosophy, Marx, Hegel, and Kant is inside the scope of and germane to the subject of philosophy, Marx, Hegel, and Kant. “ **Docta G** knows shit about philosophy, Marx, Hegel, and Kant” is true. Misuse of the “argument from authority” fallacy, we hates it! Hates it forever! > [@wildorchid](#): > > … what influenced people to adopt a negative view of their own country and heritage?? our grandparents sure wouldnt react like this… > its been conditioned into us. > the public school system teaches it to kids in the 15000 hours that they have kids for in their lives, away from their parents influence and values… > then, if they have potential to become indoctrinarians themselves, they can go to marxist Universities and learn to teach it themselves… Well I sure didn’t learn it in school. ☹ I had to read a book, watch a movie, and discover a lost American hero\*. I had to work for my negative view of my country and heritage. Kids today, apparently, got it to easy! :dubious: \*_A Pen Warmed Up in Hell: Mark Twain in Protest_, specifically [_Incident in the Philippines_](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moro_Crater_massacre) [_Soldier Blue_](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sand_Creek_massacre) [Smedley Darlington Butler](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smedley_Butler) CMC ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2013, 8:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-someone-define-cultural-marxism-please/590262/177 "2013-01-01T08:03:16Z")
> [@wildorchid](#): > > ask yourself 'how did it get this way? what influenced people to adopt a negative view of their own country and heritage?? our grandparents sure wouldnt react like this… Of course they would, they were raised to have the Sense of Sin. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2013, 8:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-someone-define-cultural-marxism-please/590262/178 "2013-01-01T08:04:50Z")
> [@wildorchid](#): > > should be obvious that Marx was a post turtle (he was put up to it). By whom? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2013, 8:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-someone-define-cultural-marxism-please/590262/179 "2013-01-01T08:10:09Z")
> [@wildorchid](#): > > just read his crap. pretty much a hack, and it doesnt pass muster as philosophy and isnt even comparable to it . . . [I know, I know.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=325618) But, likewise with Thomas Jefferson. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2013, 8:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-someone-define-cultural-marxism-please/590262/180 "2013-01-01T08:11:51Z")
> [@wildorchid](#): > > “like Lenin said ‘see who benefits, and uh…you know’” - the dude. And “the dude” is? I’m sure you’re not thinking of [The Dude.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Big_Lebowski) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-someone-define-cultural-marxism-please/590262.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-someone-define-cultural-marxism-please/590262.md?page=10)