# Can the Democrats win the Alabama senate special election in December? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [August 13, 2017, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-the-democrats-win-the-alabama-senate-special-election-in-december/793504 "2017-08-13T00:49:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 38
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2017, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-the-democrats-win-the-alabama-senate-special-election-in-december/793504/741 "2017-11-16T00:34:07Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > Roy Moore’s lawyer was on MSNBC. [It did not go well](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/roy-moore-lawyer-brings-msnbc-anchor-ali-velshi-s-background-n821121): > [@asahi](#): > > [http://thehill.com/homenews/media/360490-roy-moore-attorney-canadian-msnbc-hosts-background-could-help-him-understand](http://thehill.com/homenews/media/360490-roy-moore-attorney-canadian-msnbc-hosts-background-could-help-him-understand) > > Christ, Moore’s lawyer suggested that Ali Velshi’s “background” would help him understand to Roy Moore’s penchant for sexual assault. I found this at the Hill link: > [@](#): > > Garmon represents the Foundation for Moral Law, a Montgomery-based legacy advocacy group headed by Moore’s wife, Kayla Moore. > > He appeared on CNN last week to respond to allegations in a Washington Post story about the foundation, and referred to CNN host Don Lemon as “Don Easy Peasy Lemon Squeezy.” :eek:😕 ETA: [Also](https://apnews.com/62ecf54353ea4025b75a570f842d2677/The-Latest:-Moore-says-he-never-dated-'underage-girls'): > [@](#): > > Republican Senate candidate Roy Moore tells Fox News Channel host Sean Hannity he never dated “underage girls” but won’t be commenting further. > > Tuesday night, Hannity called on Moore to explain “inconsistencies” in his response to allegations of sexual misconduct with teenagers or exit the Alabama race. Moore had given his single media interview about the allegations to Hannity. In that interview, he did not wholly rule out dating teenagers as a man in his 30s. > > Moore’s campaign has issued an open letter to Hannity, saying Moore denies the allegations of sexual assault and did not date “underage girls.” > > Moore writes that “at the direction of counsel, I cannot comment further” because he is considering defamation lawsuits. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2017, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-the-democrats-win-the-alabama-senate-special-election-in-december/793504/742 "2017-11-16T00:54:08Z")
> [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](#): > > What are we waiting for? I’m waiting for it to come in the mail. ---
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2017, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-the-democrats-win-the-alabama-senate-special-election-in-december/793504/743 "2017-11-16T01:17:59Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > _Show me the way to the next little girl > Oh, don’t ask why > Oh, don’t ask why_ All the waiters in your grand cafe Leave their tables when you blink Every dog must have his everyday Every perv must have his nymphette Don’t wait for answers Just take your chances Don’t ask me why ---
**Author:** ![jasg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f0a364/32.png) [@jasg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jasg)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2017, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-the-democrats-win-the-alabama-senate-special-election-in-december/793504/744 "2017-11-16T01:21:37Z")
Has Hannity spoken up today or is he waiting until after he demonstrates that waterbaording isn’t torture? ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2017, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-the-democrats-win-the-alabama-senate-special-election-in-december/793504/745 "2017-11-16T01:36:17Z")
And, two more women have just come forward with stories of Moore harassing and assaulting them. > **[Two more women describe unwanted overtures by Roy Moore at Alabama mall](https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/two-more-women-describe-unwanted-overtures-by-roy-moore-at-alabama-mall/2017/11/15/2a1da432-ca24-11e7-b0cf-7689a9f2d84e_story.html?tid=ss_tw&utm_term=.beee68c26897)** > > One woman said that just before or after her 18th birthday she and Moore, then 30, went on a date that ended with him giving her what she called a “forceful” kiss that left her scared. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2017, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-the-democrats-win-the-alabama-senate-special-election-in-december/793504/746 "2017-11-16T01:50:30Z")
The man went to the girls school, met her at the principal’s office, _and asked her out_. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2017, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-the-democrats-win-the-alabama-senate-special-election-in-december/793504/747 "2017-11-16T02:05:25Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > The man went to the girls school, met her at the principal’s office, _and asked her out_. Errr; not quite, **JohnT**. There’s no need to embellish the details: > [@](#): > > A few days later, she says, she was in trigonometry class at Gadsden High when she was summoned to the principal’s office over the intercom in her classroom. She had a phone call. > > “I said ‘Hello?’” Richardson recalls. “And the male on the other line said, ‘Gena, this is Roy Moore.’ I was like, ‘What?!’ He said, ‘What are you doing?’ I said, ‘I’m in trig class.’ ” > > Richardson says Moore asked her out again on the call. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2017, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-the-democrats-win-the-alabama-senate-special-election-in-december/793504/748 "2017-11-16T02:14:03Z")
> [@](#): > > He said, ‘What are you doing?’ I said, ‘I’m in trig class.’ ” > > Richardson says Moore asked her out again on the call. The mind boggles. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2017, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-the-democrats-win-the-alabama-senate-special-election-in-december/793504/749 "2017-11-16T03:58:11Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > Roy Moore’s lawyer was on MSNBC. [It did not go well](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/roy-moore-lawyer-brings-msnbc-anchor-ali-velshi-s-background-n821121): Oh, well, he has [experience](https://twitter.com/kept_simple/status/930845720118267904) with things not going well for him: > [@](#): > > Gadsden attorney Trenton Rogers Garmon was suspended from the practice of law in Alabama by order of the Alabama Supreme Court for 91 days, effective April 7, 2014… > > Within one or two days following funeral services for a 13-year-old child who was killed in an automobile accident, Garmon called the child’s home identifying himself as “a pastor and an attorney.” Garmon tried to establish a relationship with the parents by claiming a connection with the father’s cousin, who was not a cousin, but a person whose name was given to Garmon by an individual associated with Garmon’s law practice. Garmon has no prior professional or other relationship with the child’s family. Garmon stated that he would like to meet the parents to discuss their legal rights… You, in the back row? You have a question? Please speak up" “That date when Trenton Rogers Garmon, Esq. had his law license suspended by order of the Alabama Supreme Court? Wasn’t that during Roy Moore’s tenure as Chief Justice?” Why, yes. Yes, it was. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2017, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-the-democrats-win-the-alabama-senate-special-election-in-december/793504/750 "2017-11-16T04:19:52Z")
Chasing hearses is a lot easier, they don’t roll as fast as ambulances. I mean, they hit the siren and the gas, they _gone_! ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2017, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-the-democrats-win-the-alabama-senate-special-election-in-december/793504/751 "2017-11-16T04:30:10Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > In your view, how would he be in the wrong? The same way a CEO is in the wrong for having consensual sex with an intern. It’s a power thing. Most CEOs would lose their job under similar circumstances. FTR not saying it’s right if 100% consensual but it is a double standard. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2017, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-the-democrats-win-the-alabama-senate-special-election-in-december/793504/752 "2017-11-16T04:35:56Z")
Trying to find the Senate Rules on expulsion. Is it concurrence of 2/3 of the members or of those voting? ETA: Saw a reference that it is 2/3 of voting but not the actual rule ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2017, 4:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-the-democrats-win-the-alabama-senate-special-election-in-december/793504/753 "2017-11-16T04:54:00Z")
Heard one option the GOP is considering is to get Luther Strange to resign to trigger another special election, which would buy them some time and [hopefully] a shiny new candidate. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2017, 5:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-the-democrats-win-the-alabama-senate-special-election-in-december/793504/754 "2017-11-16T05:45:50Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > Heard one option the GOP is considering is to get Luther Strange to resign to trigger another special election, which would buy them some time and [hopefully] a shiny new candidate. [Rick Hansen](http://electionlawblog.org/?p=96022) thinks this would violate the 17th Amendment ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2017, 12:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-the-democrats-win-the-alabama-senate-special-election-in-december/793504/755 "2017-11-16T12:47:02Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Chasing hearses is a lot easier, they don’t roll as fast as ambulances. I mean, they hit the siren and the gas, they _gone_! Apparently Garmon heard that Moore’s career was dead and swooped in. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2017, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-the-democrats-win-the-alabama-senate-special-election-in-december/793504/756 "2017-11-16T13:09:54Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > The mind boggles. If someone says these accusers are paid to make the stories up, this is a good refutation. How could anyone make \*that \*one up? Another point is that an invented accusation would more probably include actual rape. Why stop short? ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2017, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-the-democrats-win-the-alabama-senate-special-election-in-december/793504/757 "2017-11-16T14:02:37Z")
As soon as Moore’s approval rating drops into the teens, he’ll try to fuck it. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2017, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-the-democrats-win-the-alabama-senate-special-election-in-december/793504/758 "2017-11-16T14:09:08Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > Trying to find the Senate Rules on expulsion. Is it concurrence of 2/3 of the members or of those voting? > > ETA: Saw a reference that it is 2/3 of voting but not the actual rule It’s not a Senate rule, it’s in Article I, Section 5 of the Constitution. “Each House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behavior, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member.” I would read that as two thirds _of the members_ of that house of Congress. My Google-fu is weak this morning, though, and I can’t turn up any confirmation of that. ---
**Author:** ![Tzigone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Tzigone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tzigone)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2017, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-the-democrats-win-the-alabama-senate-special-election-in-december/793504/759 "2017-11-16T14:32:21Z")
> [@](#): > > Heard one option the GOP is considering is to get Luther Strange to resign to trigger another special election, which would buy them some time and [hopefully] a shiny new candidate. This is just mind-boggling to me, if true. The optics are terrible. And I think it would likely go to court. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2017, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-the-democrats-win-the-alabama-senate-special-election-in-december/793504/760 "2017-11-16T14:42:23Z")
> [@Tzigone](#): > > This is just mind-boggling to me, if true. The optics are terrible. And I think it would likely go to court. They don’t care about the optics. All that matters is keeping the seat in the party. If it goes to court, it will not be decided on the merits of the case, it will be decided based on what’s best for the party. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-the-democrats-win-the-alabama-senate-special-election-in-december/793504.md?page=37) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-the-democrats-win-the-alabama-senate-special-election-in-december/793504.md?page=39)