# Can the Democrats win the Alabama senate special election in December? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [August 13, 2017, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-the-democrats-win-the-alabama-senate-special-election-in-december/793504 "2017-08-13T00:49:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 44
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2017, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-the-democrats-win-the-alabama-senate-special-election-in-december/793504/861 "2017-12-05T16:32:16Z")
> [@galen\_ubal](#): > > [One of Moore’s accusers](http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/363198-moore-accuser-shares-scrapbook-with-new-evidence-of-their-relationship) found a scrapbook, with more contemporaneous evidence against him. The best part of that link is the video where Miss Gibson reads a card Roy Moore wrote for her graduation. We can see the card, it’s in the camera shot. Then they show Roy Moore on TV saying “I do not know any of these women” which is clearly a lie. THEN Miss Gibson straight up calls him a liar! And it still won’t affect nearly half of the voters, I bet. ---
**Author:** ![DSYoungEsq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c6cbf5/32.png) [@DSYoungEsq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSYoungEsq)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2017, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-the-democrats-win-the-alabama-senate-special-election-in-december/793504/862 "2017-12-05T21:22:19Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > That’s right. Every time he fucked a teen, he got mama’s blessing first. Truth doesn’t matter anyway, something like 70% of Alabama Republicans don’t believe the accusers. If Jesus came down and told an Alabamian something, they’d have to check with Roy Moore first before believing it. Not that I’m defending Roy Moore (far from it), but do you have any evidence that he “fucked a teen”? None of his accusers has made that claim. You might wish to brush up on defamation of character law… :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2017, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-the-democrats-win-the-alabama-senate-special-election-in-december/793504/863 "2017-12-05T22:16:38Z")
Well, which is more defamatory? Just “tried”, or “tried and failed”? ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2017, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-the-democrats-win-the-alabama-senate-special-election-in-december/793504/864 "2017-12-05T22:18:01Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Well, which is more defamatory? Just “tried”, or “tried and failed”? :eek: 😃 ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2017, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-the-democrats-win-the-alabama-senate-special-election-in-december/793504/865 "2017-12-05T22:32:14Z")
> [@DSYoungEsq](#): > > Not that I’m defending Roy Moore (far from it), but do you have any evidence that he “fucked a teen”? None of his accusers has made that claim. You might wish to brush up on defamation of character law… :dubious: wiki: \*On a second date, Moore allegedly “took off her shirt and pants and removed his clothes … touched her over her bra and underpants … and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear”.[17] The alleged sexual contact between Moore and the 14 year old would be a felony under Alabama law, punishable by up to ten years in prison\*… - Beverly Young Nelson, appearing with lawyer Gloria Allred, said she had received unwanted attention from Moore when she was 15 years old, and said that—in December 1977 or January 1978[22]—when she was 16 Moore sexually assaulted her. Nelson accepted a ride from Moore after she finished work because she “trusted him because he was the District Attorney”. She said that Moore stopped the car, began groping her and then tried to force her head into his crotch. She said that when she fought him off, he eventually gave up, but told her, "You’re just a child, I’m the district attorney; if you tell anyone about this no one will ever believe you.\*… I guess, technically no actual intercourse was alleged, but this was indeed Felony Sexual asssault. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2017, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-the-democrats-win-the-alabama-senate-special-election-in-december/793504/866 "2017-12-05T22:52:14Z")
I’m gonna go out on a limb here and say that he knows that, which is almost certainly why he started the post off with “Not that I’m defending Roy Moore (far from it)”. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2017, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-the-democrats-win-the-alabama-senate-special-election-in-december/793504/867 "2017-12-05T23:04:49Z")
Lol, Jeff Flake donated $100 to Jones’s campaign, causing the GOPedophiles to freak out. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2017, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-the-democrats-win-the-alabama-senate-special-election-in-december/793504/868 "2017-12-05T23:25:09Z")
Does anyone know when the winner will actually take office? ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2017, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-the-democrats-win-the-alabama-senate-special-election-in-december/793504/869 "2017-12-05T23:39:00Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > Does anyone know when the winner will actually take office? Or _orifice_ , depending on who wins…😛 ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2017, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-the-democrats-win-the-alabama-senate-special-election-in-december/793504/870 "2017-12-05T23:52:48Z")
Roy Moore’s [spokesbitch](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qzj8CfZ4RXo) is as big an asshole as he is. (Youtube) [Full interview 17:32](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yb0JHME4dsg) [WaPo story](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/12/05/leave-my-child-out-of-this-cnns-poppy-harlow-admonishes-roy-moore-spokeswoman/) > [@](#): > > CNN’s Poppy Harlow let it slide once. But not twice. > > Janet Porter, a spokeswoman for Senate candidate Roy Moore, began her interview on Harlow’s program Tuesday by telling the anchor, who is pregnant, that Moore will “stand for the rights of babies like yours, in the womb, where his opponent will support killing them up until the moment of birth.” > > Harlow ignored the remark and continued the interview, questioning Porter about accusations of sexual misconduct against the Alabama Republican. > > Later, however, Porter invoked Harlow’s unborn child again. “Doug Jones says you can take the life of that baby,” Porter said, referring to Moore’s Democratic opponent. > > “Let’s leave my child out of this,” Harlow replied, calmly but firmly. “Let’s leave my child out of this.” ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2017, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-the-democrats-win-the-alabama-senate-special-election-in-december/793504/871 "2017-12-05T23:53:42Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > Does anyone know when the winner will actually take office? Early/mid January, probably. The election’s on 12/12, but the state has to not only count but certify the count, which can take weeks. That’s assuming it’s not close enough for an automatic recount, or that either Moore or Jones doesn’t call for a recount if it’s not within the automatic margin. Or that the Senate refuses to seat Moore, which is possible but really, really unlikely. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2017, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-the-democrats-win-the-alabama-senate-special-election-in-december/793504/872 "2017-12-06T00:38:23Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > Early/mid January, probably. The election’s on 12/12, but the state has to not only count but certify the count, which can take weeks. That’s assuming it’s not close enough for an automatic recount, or that either Moore or Jones doesn’t call for a recount if it’s not within the automatic margin. Or that the Senate refuses to seat Moore, which is possible but really, really unlikely. When I was in High School, we used to hold mock elections. I wonder if they are doing that in Alabama High Schools for this election. It could be really cool— they could have the candidates make appearances and everything!! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2017, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-the-democrats-win-the-alabama-senate-special-election-in-december/793504/873 "2017-12-06T03:36:35Z")
[He’s baaaaaaaack!](https://apnews.com/e4a63034bc344765b90adc27d75b6893/Steve-Bannon-to-rally-Alabama-voters-in-support-of-Roy-Moore) > [@](#): > > “The days of taking it silently are over,” Bannon declared at a rally that drew hundreds of Moore supporters to a local farm in the southwestern corner of the state. > > “They want to destroy Judge Roy Moore. You know why? They want to take your voice away,” Bannon said as Moore looked on. “If they can destroy Roy Moore, they can destroy you.” The ironic thing is that everything Mr. Bannon said could justifiably be said about any of the women Mr. Moore assaulted and about women reporting assaults. The ugly brilliance of the statement is that it puts these women and their supporters back on defense against accusations of being on the offense. In Mr. Bannon’s world, the women Mr. Moore assaulted are now vicious attackers, and Mr. Moore is all that stands in the way of them and _you_. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2017, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-the-democrats-win-the-alabama-senate-special-election-in-december/793504/874 "2017-12-06T15:25:21Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > When I was in High School, we used to hold mock elections. I wonder if they are doing that in Alabama High Schools for this election. It could be really cool— they could have the candidates make appearances and everything!! 😃 Haha, except they’d have to have the candidates speak at least 100 yards away from the school, since I believe one of them may not be allowed any closer than that. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2017, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-the-democrats-win-the-alabama-senate-special-election-in-december/793504/875 "2017-12-06T15:52:37Z")
Ah, Steve Bannon. Still doing his corrosive, hateful bit for American democracy - and the most handsome guy at the liquor store, as Colbert said. ---
**Author:** ![RickG](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rickg/32/5174_2.png) [@RickG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickG)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2017, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-the-democrats-win-the-alabama-senate-special-election-in-december/793504/876 "2017-12-06T15:53:03Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > When I was in High School, we used to hold mock elections. I wonder if they are doing that in Alabama High Schools for this election. It could be really cool— they could have the candidates make appearances and everything!! 😃 Slight hijack: I was a senior in high school in a wealthy suburb of Birmingham during the 1980 election. Seniors were required to take Government, and the entire class (of about 350) divided into small groups to research the election news _in every state_. In those pre-internet days, that meant going to the library and tracking down the major local newspapers and cribbing polling stories and editorial opinions and the like–we were a very low tech, very unscientific proto-538. Just before Election Day, we had a mock “convention” in the gym/auditorium, where each small group announced their predictions for each state, and there was a big map on stage colored with the aggregate prediction results. As I recall, we nailed the electoral college landslide for Reagan. We also had the opportunity during the convention to march for our personal favorite candidate. I was one of the few John Anderson (RIP) supporters, which was the last time I supported a Republican (although he was, of course, running as an independent at the time). ---
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2017, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-the-democrats-win-the-alabama-senate-special-election-in-december/793504/877 "2017-12-06T16:03:01Z")
It’s too bad that the [Jones-Moore campaign stories](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/doug-jones-attacks-moore-belongs-prison-not-u-s-senate-n826756) tend to bury this zinger by Jones. > [@The former federal prosecutor](#): > > I damn sure believe that I have done my part to ensure that men who hurt little girls should go to jail and not the United States Senate. Burn! ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2017, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-the-democrats-win-the-alabama-senate-special-election-in-december/793504/878 "2017-12-06T16:30:15Z")
> [@RickG](#): > > …I was one of the few John Anderson (RIP) supporters, which was the last time I supported a Republican (although he was, of course, running as an independent at the time). This thread may interest you: [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=831448](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=831448) ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2017, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-the-democrats-win-the-alabama-senate-special-election-in-december/793504/879 "2017-12-06T16:47:25Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Sure, then why not refute those points in those threads? Because I got tired of saying the same thing in a bunch of different threads. > [@](#): > > Do you think that when those posters brought up Bills trangressions they could have been suckered into doing to by the GOP misinformation machine? So let’s deal with the misinformation in one thread dedicated to that, rather than keep having it pop up here and there, right? Have you finished beating this dead horse yet? ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2017, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-the-democrats-win-the-alabama-senate-special-election-in-december/793504/880 "2017-12-06T16:48:51Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > That’s right. Every time he fucked a teen, he got mama’s blessing first. Every time a mama gave her blessing for thirtysomething Roy Moore to fuck her teenage daughter, an angel got its wings. Or something. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-the-democrats-win-the-alabama-senate-special-election-in-december/793504.md?page=43) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-the-democrats-win-the-alabama-senate-special-election-in-december/793504.md?page=45)