# Can the Democrats win the Alabama senate special election in December? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [August 13, 2017, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-the-democrats-win-the-alabama-senate-special-election-in-december/793504 "2017-08-13T00:49:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 45
**Author:** ![amarinth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3be4f8/32.png) [@amarinth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amarinth)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2017, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-the-democrats-win-the-alabama-senate-special-election-in-december/793504/881 "2017-12-06T19:47:06Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > Every time a mama gave her blessing for thirtysomething Roy Moore to fuck her teenage daughter, an angel got its wings. Or something. Of course they’re going to vote for him. These are the same people who said “yes” when a _30-year-old man_ showed up at their door and asked to date their child. When you’re cool with that, voting for him is a no-brainer. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Stainless\_Steel\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_stainless_steel_rat/32/5727_2.png) [@The\_Stainless\_Steel\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Stainless_Steel_Rat)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2017, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-the-democrats-win-the-alabama-senate-special-election-in-december/793504/882 "2017-12-08T00:02:48Z")
Just had a phone call from the Doug Jones campaign, that’s the second in the past two weeks, he has commercials running daily and I may have mentioned earlier, they had a door-to-door canvasser stop by last week. From Moore, no calls, no visits, barely any TV presence. If the Democrats lose this (and they may well do so), it won’t be for lack of trying; this is the most enthusiasm and energy I’ve seen out of the Dems here since I moved to Ali-bama in 1997. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2017, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-the-democrats-win-the-alabama-senate-special-election-in-december/793504/883 "2017-12-08T16:02:03Z")
America was last great in 1865, Moore says (well, other than that whole slavery thing): [Roy Moore's claim that America was 'great' during slavery resurfaces, sparking huge backlash](https://www.aol.com/article/news/2017/12/08/roy-moores-claim-that-america-was-great-during-slavery-resurfaces-sparking-huge-backlash/23301525/) ---
**Author:** ![RandMcnally](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b782af/32.png) [@RandMcnally](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RandMcnally)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2017, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-the-democrats-win-the-alabama-senate-special-election-in-december/793504/884 "2017-12-08T16:17:01Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > America was last great in 1865, Moore says (well, other than that whole slavery thing): [Roy Moore's claim that America was 'great' during slavery resurfaces, sparking huge backlash](https://www.aol.com/article/news/2017/12/08/roy-moores-claim-that-america-was-great-during-slavery-resurfaces-sparking-huge-backlash/23301525/) Sure, if you ignore when white people were completely free to rape, murder, torture, and destroy families, it was absolutely amazing. Man, this is barely a dog whistle at this point. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2017, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-the-democrats-win-the-alabama-senate-special-election-in-december/793504/885 "2017-12-08T16:28:37Z")
> [@RandMcnally](#): > > Sure, if you ignore when white people were completely free to rape, murder, torture, and destroy families, it was absolutely amazing. “I think it was great at the time when families were united – even though we had slavery – they cared for one another … Our families were strong, our country had a direction.” Yes, families were united, apart from the ones where family members got sold off individually to other slaveowners and renamed. Good times. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2017, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-the-democrats-win-the-alabama-senate-special-election-in-december/793504/886 "2017-12-08T17:33:46Z")
One of Moore’s accusers now says that she added part of the inscription in the yearbook. [Cite](http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/12/08/roy-moore-accuser-admits-forged-part-yearbook-inscription-attributed-to-alabama-senate-candidate.html). A tactical error on her part, ISTM, although it probably doesn’t matter at this point, since everyone has made their minds up already. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2017, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-the-democrats-win-the-alabama-senate-special-election-in-december/793504/887 "2017-12-08T17:44:38Z")
Yeah, she annotated it. Your fellows in the right-wing apolosphere have decided that this means she forged something and your homophobic anti-Muslim sexual predator is innocent. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2017, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-the-democrats-win-the-alabama-senate-special-election-in-december/793504/888 "2017-12-08T17:45:37Z")
You left out pro-slavery. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2017, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-the-democrats-win-the-alabama-senate-special-election-in-december/793504/889 "2017-12-08T17:49:54Z")
… and pedophile. Can’t forget the Grumpy Old Pedophiles! ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2017, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-the-democrats-win-the-alabama-senate-special-election-in-december/793504/890 "2017-12-08T17:57:30Z")
> [@Airbeck](#): > > Haha, except they’d have to have the candidates speak at least 100 yards away from the school, since I believe one of them may not be allowed any closer than that. Base on what, specifically? Does one of the candidates have a legal (issued by an actual court as opposed to a kangaroo court) ruling that they must stay 100 yards from a school? Didn’t people learn anything from the Bridgegate debacle? I have absolutely no idea who the voters will choose in this election. However, I believe that there may be many We’re-mad-as-heck-and-we’re-not-going-to-take-it-anymore voters who’s selection will be, at least partially, based on their objection to the news media outlet’s portrayal of the constituency. IMHO, of course. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2017, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-the-democrats-win-the-alabama-senate-special-election-in-december/793504/891 "2017-12-08T18:01:03Z")
Roy Moore is going to win and probably would have won with or without this newest twist, which by the way in no way discredits the volume of accounts from other accusers. In their eyes having anything other than an extreme position against abortion is worse than fondling teenagers. Doug Jones has resisted the pressure to become a puritan. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2017, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-the-democrats-win-the-alabama-senate-special-election-in-december/793504/892 "2017-12-08T18:09:18Z")
> [@RandMcnally](#): > > Sure, if you ignore when white people were completely free to rape, murder, torture, and destroy families, it was absolutely amazing. > > Man, this is barely a dog whistle at this point. You say that as if it were not the raping, murdering, torturing, and destroying of families that they are so nostalgic for.l ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2017, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-the-democrats-win-the-alabama-senate-special-election-in-december/793504/893 "2017-12-08T18:10:16Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > Base on what, specifically? Does one of the candidates have a legal (issued by an actual court as opposed to a kangaroo court) ruling that they must stay 100 yards from a school? Didn’t people learn anything from the Bridgegate debacle? > > I have absolutely no idea who the voters will choose in this election. However, I believe that there may be many We’re-mad-as-heck-and-we’re-not-going-to-take-it-anymore voters who’s selection will be, at least partially, based on their objection to the news media outlet’s portrayal of the constituency. IMHO, of course. That was obviously a joke. Did you think I was making a serious claim? ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2017, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-the-democrats-win-the-alabama-senate-special-election-in-december/793504/894 "2017-12-08T18:12:08Z")
> [@RandMcnally](#): > > Sure, if you ignore when white people were completely free to rape, murder, torture, and destroy families, it was absolutely amazing. > > Man, this is barely a dog whistle at this point. I’m afraid that this is only going to get worse. I made the comment on election night that we’re heading back in the direction of Jim Crow, and some here thought it was hyperbole. I don’t think it’s hyperbole at all. It might not end up being quite that bad, but who gives a shit? There were 4000 extra-judicial murders of black people across the south between 1880 and 1960 (or thereabout). There were murders of Asians out West. Even a temporary return to that reality is horrifying. The era of Trump has ushered in a racial animus not seen since the 1940s and 50s, and he has has created a comfortable climate for expressing openly racist language and ideas. It’s not just language though. Look at what’s happening in terms of actual policy. The repeal of Obamacare. The looming cuts to Medicare and Medicaid. An attorney general who promises a return to harsh sentencing and mass incarceration, and with private prisons no less. What we’re seeing now is going well beyond language; we’re witnessing the destruction of public institutions that promote socioeconomic equality. Worse we’re seeing the destruction on institutions designed to level the playing field and to protect minorities and the poor against widespread abuses at the hands of the powerful (mostly white) elites. These institutions are being replaced with institutions that use the color of law to enrich the elites through barely-concealed corruption and punish those who seek justice. This is not just talk, it’s becoming real. ---
**Author:** ![Fuzzy\_wuzzy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a8b319/32.png) [@Fuzzy\_wuzzy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fuzzy_wuzzy)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2017, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-the-democrats-win-the-alabama-senate-special-election-in-december/793504/895 "2017-12-08T18:21:56Z")
> [@The\_Tooth](#): > > Yeah, she annotated it. Your fellows in the right-wing apolosphere have decided that this means she forged something and your homophobic anti-Muslim sexual predator is innocent. This could have been sorted out by now had this lady and her lawyer allowed the document to be examined by a document examiner. To me the signature looks dubious too. Im pretty confident that if the document is ever examined by an impartial expert the “Moore D.A.” part of the signature will be deemed a forgery too. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2017, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-the-democrats-win-the-alabama-senate-special-election-in-december/793504/896 "2017-12-08T20:01:06Z")
> [@Airbeck](#): > > That was obviously a joke. Did you think I was making a serious claim? I’m not responsible for what you intended to write. I can only read what you actually wrote. Perhaps you should rethink your presentation? Or not? 😉 🙂 :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2017, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-the-democrats-win-the-alabama-senate-special-election-in-december/793504/897 "2017-12-08T20:21:12Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > I’m not responsible for what you intended to write. I can only read what you actually wrote. Perhaps you should rethink your presentation? Or not? 😉 🙂 :eek: Or you can develop a sense of humor? I mean the first word of the post you thought was serious was “haha”:smack: I don’t think the issue here is my presentation. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2017, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-the-democrats-win-the-alabama-senate-special-election-in-december/793504/898 "2017-12-08T20:23:47Z")
Eh, I think I’ll just wait for Tuesday’s definitive answer on which offends Alabamian sensibilities worse: pedophilia or sending Klan bombers to prison. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2017, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-the-democrats-win-the-alabama-senate-special-election-in-december/793504/899 "2017-12-08T20:28:41Z")
The latest meme: The weather in Alabama next week favors Moore, because it’s going to dip into the teens. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2017, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-the-democrats-win-the-alabama-senate-special-election-in-december/793504/900 "2017-12-08T20:34:23Z")
> [@Fuzzy\_wuzzy](#): > > This could have been sorted out by now had this lady and her lawyer allowed the document to be examined by a document examiner. To me the signature looks dubious too. Im pretty confident that if the document is ever examined by an impartial expert the “Moore D.A.” part of the signature will be deemed a forgery too. I’m glad we’ve got a handwriting expert here on the Dope. Right now, what’s at issue isn’t what was or wasn’t added by the woman, but rather what she _says_ she added. And it’s clear that Fox and Rush and all the other usual suspects rushed to claim she’d admitted to forgery, despite the fact that she’d admitted to no such thing. And the issue is the woman with the yearbook, rather than the right-wind disinformation machine? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-the-democrats-win-the-alabama-senate-special-election-in-december/793504.md?page=44) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-the-democrats-win-the-alabama-senate-special-election-in-december/793504.md?page=46)