# Can the Democrats win the Alabama senate special election in December? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [August 13, 2017, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-the-democrats-win-the-alabama-senate-special-election-in-december/793504 "2017-08-13T00:49:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 52
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2017, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-the-democrats-win-the-alabama-senate-special-election-in-december/793504/1021 "2017-12-12T02:23:04Z")
> [@JRDelirious](#): > > We can only pray a considerable portion of Moore’s voters are also confused about what is the actual election day. They’re pretty confused about the year, so… ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2017, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-the-democrats-win-the-alabama-senate-special-election-in-december/793504/1022 "2017-12-12T02:25:45Z")
I apologize for misrepresenting. My experience was in the State of California and my recollection was that a child was defined as age 14 and under. In double-checking it’s actually _under_ the age of 14. I did have a look at the Alabama statutes previously, **John Mace** , but it was to determine statute of limitations in the 70s. Your points are well made, noted and I stand corrected. Thanks for taking the time and trouble. I’ll stop calling Moore a pedophile and settle for child molester. ---
**Author:** ![E-DUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/e-dub/32/403_2.png) [@E-DUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-DUB)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2017, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-the-democrats-win-the-alabama-senate-special-election-in-december/793504/1023 "2017-12-12T02:33:13Z")
Perhaps pervert would be an acceptable compromise. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2017, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-the-democrats-win-the-alabama-senate-special-election-in-december/793504/1024 "2017-12-12T02:38:55Z")
> [@DSYoungEsq](#): > > Are any results being reported yet? Polls closed for almost an hour now. > [@Bayard](#): > > Today’s Monday. 🙂 Election’s tomorrow. Well, seeing as how it IS Alabama, the question is reasonable: have the results of the election been announced yet? 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2017, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-the-democrats-win-the-alabama-senate-special-election-in-december/793504/1025 "2017-12-12T02:39:04Z")
> [@E-DUB](#): > > Perhaps pervert would be an acceptable compromise. I like it. Such an obvious solution! ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2017, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-the-democrats-win-the-alabama-senate-special-election-in-december/793504/1026 "2017-12-12T02:45:08Z")
He’s been accused of sexually assaulting a 16 year old, which if true would make him more than a pervert. A sexual predator is more accurate. ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2017, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-the-democrats-win-the-alabama-senate-special-election-in-december/793504/1027 "2017-12-12T02:55:15Z")
> [@DSYoungEsq](#): > > In Alabama, 16 is not statutory rape. It’s legal sex. Some of what Moore didn’t wasn’t illegal, just really inappropriate. But the 14 year old, the 15 year olds (I believe there were 15 year olds) and the attempted rape of the 16 year old were all crimes. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2017, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-the-democrats-win-the-alabama-senate-special-election-in-december/793504/1028 "2017-12-12T02:57:37Z")
I never thought I would agree with Charles Barkley, let alone paraphrase him on any subject, but I thought he summed it up well: Roy Moore should have been disqualified long ago, regardless of what people believe about his past sexual conduct. People are debating whether or not Roy Moore is a pedophile when what we should all be agreeing on is the fact that he’s just a colossal sociopathic shithead, and that’s the last thing our government needs now. His conduct with 14 year olds some 40 years ago may or may not speak to his sexual proclivities now. But it’s clear that he doesn’t respect boundaries of basic propriety. He gets gratification by abusing other people, whether it’s a 14 year old who doesn’t want to touch his 30-year-old penis, or a Muslim who doesn’t want to feel the sting of his bigotry. He obviously had no regard for the law back then, and we know from his getting kicked off the bench that he has no regard for the law now. Alabama is very close to electing a powerful lawmaker who doesn’t care about the law. That’s what we ought to keep in our heads. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2017, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-the-democrats-win-the-alabama-senate-special-election-in-december/793504/1029 "2017-12-12T03:20:19Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > … we know from his getting kicked off the bench that he has no regard for the law now. … Getting kicked off the bench? Hell, he was banned from a MALL, fer chrissakes! If that’s not dangerous, sociopathic, and anti-murrican, I don’t know what is! :mad: ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2017, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-the-democrats-win-the-alabama-senate-special-election-in-december/793504/1030 "2017-12-12T03:25:34Z")
> [@DSYoungEsq](#): > > In Alabama, 16 is not statutory rape. It’s legal sex. \*Consensual \*sex. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2017, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-the-democrats-win-the-alabama-senate-special-election-in-december/793504/1031 "2017-12-12T03:28:13Z")
[Trump Super PAC Gets 12-Year-Old Girl To Interview Roy Moore](https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-super-pac-girl-roy-moore_us_5a2e9698e4b0a290f05255a9) See? He didn’t jump her right there in front of the camera, he’s a good guy. /sarcasm ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2017, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-the-democrats-win-the-alabama-senate-special-election-in-december/793504/1032 "2017-12-12T03:47:37Z")
Today someone accused Moore of going to a brothel with him in Vietnam which featured underage girls. Before anyone says that it’s fake accusations by people trying to tear down an innocent man, realize that this was one of the [introductory speakers at Moore’s rally](https://thinkprogress.org/speaker-at-moore-event-says-he-accidentally-went-with-moore-to-a-brothel-with-child-prostitutes-65c9819f8a1e/). ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2017, 4:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-the-democrats-win-the-alabama-senate-special-election-in-december/793504/1033 "2017-12-12T04:25:07Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Getting kicked off the bench? Hell, he was banned from a MALL, fer chrissakes! If that’s not dangerous, sociopathic, and anti-murrican, I don’t know what is! :mad: Well in the eyes of Alabamians, at least he’s not gay. ---
**Author:** ![gatorslap](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gatorslap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gatorslap)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2017, 5:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-the-democrats-win-the-alabama-senate-special-election-in-december/793504/1034 "2017-12-12T05:08:06Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Well in the eyes of Alabamians, at least he’s not gay. Perhaps the red line in the South is still “caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy” ---
**Author:** ![jasg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f0a364/32.png) [@jasg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jasg)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2017, 5:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-the-democrats-win-the-alabama-senate-special-election-in-december/793504/1035 "2017-12-12T05:11:30Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > [Trump Super PAC Gets 12-Year-Old Girl To Interview Roy Moore](https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-super-pac-girl-roy-moore_us_5a2e9698e4b0a290f05255a9) > > See? He didn’t jump her right there in front of the camera, he’s a good guy. > /sarcasm I heard he postponed the interview for two years. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2017, 5:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-the-democrats-win-the-alabama-senate-special-election-in-december/793504/1036 "2017-12-12T05:27:24Z")
I’ve not followed the thread. The realists expect Roy Moore to win in a near-landslide, no? [_Cosmopolitan_ interviewed several young women](http://www.cosmopolitan.com/politics/a14401897/roy-moore-female-supporters-voters/) to learn why they’re voting for Moore: > [@Kierstyn Steed](#): > > … the way he carries himself as a man of God. … He supports stricter immigration and lower taxes on the middle class. > [@Amanda Martiniere](#): > > He carries the same values and morals that I do, especially when it comes to the American family… I think that morals and values should always be a big deciding factor in government issues these days. > [@Sarah Wade](#): > > … Tax cuts. I definitely think that that needs to be done… [the allegations are] a very liberal news thing. [The Washington Post first reported on accusations against Moore in November.] … If I didn’t vote for him and they were all completely untrue, then that’s ruining his life… You are innocent until proven guilty. > [@Kim Wyatt Boothe](#): > > … I’m a Christian. I raise my children as Christians and we study the Bible and its foundation. I’m so thankful I have somebody that I can support that understands how important it is to put God back into our government. Go Moore! MAGA!! ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2017, 5:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-the-democrats-win-the-alabama-senate-special-election-in-december/793504/1037 "2017-12-12T05:37:47Z")
I will be very pleasantly surprised if Moore loses. I have very little hope for that. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2017, 5:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-the-democrats-win-the-alabama-senate-special-election-in-december/793504/1038 "2017-12-12T05:42:09Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > I’ve not followed the thread. The realists expect Roy Moore to win in a near-landslide, no? > > [_Cosmopolitan_ interviewed several young women](http://www.cosmopolitan.com/politics/a14401897/roy-moore-female-supporters-voters/) to learn why they’re voting for Moore: > > Go Moore! MAGA!! Yet, for some reason they resent the label “deplorable.” ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2017, 5:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-the-democrats-win-the-alabama-senate-special-election-in-december/793504/1039 "2017-12-12T05:46:53Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > I’ve not followed the thread. The realists expect Roy Moore to win in a near-landslide, no? Polling is difficult in this election because it’s a very atypical race. But I think Jones is a slight-to-moderate favorite by this point. It would be a surprise upset if Moore wins. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2017, 6:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-the-democrats-win-the-alabama-senate-special-election-in-december/793504/1040 "2017-12-12T06:21:54Z")
In fact, [Doug Jones is just a normal polling error away from a win in alabama](http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/doug-jones-is-just-a-normal-polling-error-away-from-a-win-in-alabama/). And I found an article wherein Nate Silver takes a look at [what the hell is happening with these Alabama polls](https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/what-the-hell-is-happening-with-these-alabama-polls/). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-the-democrats-win-the-alabama-senate-special-election-in-december/793504.md?page=51) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-the-democrats-win-the-alabama-senate-special-election-in-december/793504.md?page=53)