Unlike a state the District of Columbia has no sovereignty; all crimes in the city are still federal crimes, even if Congress has delegated legislative authority to the City Council. They’re even prosecuted by the United States Attorney’s office instead of a prosecutor’s office under local control.
That happened several times, prior to the passage of the 25th Amendment. Before the 25th was passed, there was no way to fill a vacancy in the Vice-presidency, whether by death, resignation or succession to the presidency.
• Madison had both of his V-P’s (Gerry and Clinton) die in office;
• Calhoun resigned the office, leaving Jackson without a V-P in his first term;
• John Tyler succeed to the presidency on Harrison’s death;
• Fillmore succeeded to the presidency on Taylor’s death;
• King died of TB six weeks after being sworn in, so Pierce was without a V-P for almost his entire presidency;
• Johnson succeeded on Lincoln’s death;
• Wilson died in office, so Grant was without a V-P for most of his second term;
• Arthur succeeded to the presidency on Garfield’s death;
• Hendricks died in office after only eight months, so Cleveland was without a V-P for most of his first term;
• Hobart died after three years in office;
• Theodore Roosevelt succeeded to the presidency on McKinley’s death;
• Coolidge succeeded to the presidency on Harding’s death;
• Truman succeeded to the presidency on FDR’s death;
• Johnson succeeded to the presidency on JFK’s death.
And there were short gaps before Ford and then Rockefeller were confirmed as V-P under the 25th Amendment.
So for a considerable total length of time, there was no Vice-President to break ties in the Senate. Somehow the Republic survived. It just meant that a tied bill was defeated.
So they could duel on the White House lawn. Most Excellent!
Amazingly, when I say something is “silent” on a question, and you then say that it “has a lot to say about it”, that’s a literal contradiction. Funny how I might think that was what you were doing.
The vice-presidency was originally the position for the presidential runner-up. It would be pretty strange if anyone intended for the president to be able to fire him. Nowhere is it mentioned the VP serves at the pleasure of the president. The VP is also not purely a member of the executive branch as he serves as president of the Senate. I think we can very safely say the President cannot fire the VP anymore than he could fire a Senator.
Given that the VP is an independently elected position, I think the likelihood that the president can unilaterally fire him is close enough zero to be effectively impossible. Dismissing an elected official without some kind of due process (impeachment or other judicial method) would violate basic democratic principles, no matter who does it.
How unpleasant could he really make it though? Boring and low profile, sure. But let’s say Pence and Trump start publicly hating each other. What could he do to Pence other than take away responsibilities?
There’s always that State Park place in Wyoming or wherever the hell it is (long GQ thread somewhere on that Murder-is-Legal, supposedly, special place).
A President could leave a V-P out of meetings, deny him briefings, and essentially deny him enough insider information so as to make the VP seem clueless.
I see what you’re saying; then Trump and Pence would be on even ground.
I suppose the President could also slash the VP’s support staff and office space.
He could also send the VP on repeated fact-finding tours to faraway dangerous, boring or inconvenient places. The VP might eventually refuse to go, but he’d remain VP.
I’m sorry, I came here for an argument.
Eventually?
“Hey Pence. Need you to go to Somalia and get the lay of the land.”
“Sorry, I got heel spurs.”
And, in theory, that is not guaranteed.
That’s 12-A, down the hall.
Here’s the story behind Garners maybe quote :
https://www.cah.utexas.edu/news/press_release.php?press=press_bucket
I don’t think the Secret Service is going to let Podunk P.D., State Troopers, DC Police or even the FBI take the President into custody and lock him in a cage, even if he murdered someone on Fifth Avenue in broad daylight.
So the President can do whatever he wants anywhere in the country (and probably most other countries on Earth), and law enforcement and the courts only get a crack at him after Congress impeaches him and removes him from office. That or his term ends.
Unfortunately, dueling is illegal in D.C. But, two people can mutually agree to a fistfight as long as the police referee. Now, that I’d pay to see. Trump vs Pence with bare knuckles in the middle of Fifth Avenue.
And a pardon won’t stop Congress from impeaching, which they’d pretty much have to do.
WTF has that got to do with anything?
The conversation started with firing the VP, wandered into duels and pardons, I don’t see that impeachment is much of a topic stretch.