# Can we not flame SunGazer to death? OK? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 8, 2012, 8:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-not-flame-sungazer-to-death-ok/627589 "2012-07-08T08:55:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2012, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-not-flame-sungazer-to-death-ok/627589/21 "2012-07-08T21:44:39Z")
He didn’t use the magic Sovereign Citizen methods of identifying himself and putting forth his legal claims to having his ID deleted. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2012, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-not-flame-sungazer-to-death-ok/627589/22 "2012-07-08T21:48:19Z")
The Pit is entirely the wrong forum for this thread, since the flag over in the corner has a fringe on it, which means that we have no authority over **SunGazer**. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2012, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-not-flame-sungazer-to-death-ok/627589/23 "2012-07-08T22:13:06Z")
> [@](#): > > “Ok, I’ve been told to stop hijacking this thread, so here’s a ton of links that are completely unrelated to it and oh, could you delete my membership?” [Man overboard!](http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Freeman_on_the_land#Admiralty_law_and_court_appearance_techniques) ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2012, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-not-flame-sungazer-to-death-ok/627589/24 "2012-07-08T22:18:17Z")
Under my Malevolent, er, Benificent Rule, they will be provided their own series of **Homes for the Terminally Stupid**. On ships (suiting that whole Admiralty thing). In space (so they’re not on my damned planet) Without engines. On a slow decaying orbit into the sun. While I promise that they will be illuminated on their errors. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Dallas\_Jones](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dallas_jones/32/3277_2.png) [@Dallas\_Jones](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dallas_Jones)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2012, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-not-flame-sungazer-to-death-ok/627589/25 "2012-07-08T22:34:32Z")
> [@foolsguinea](#): > > Hey, I’m just trying to have a conscience about how I treat confused people. I think we do the self-righteous piling on too quickly sometimes. SG is a kooky libertarian, and I could see the annoyance at the “dumb new guy” coming, and wanted people to actually try to explain why his ideas are crazy, not just be the jerkwads we often are. > > Good grief, I used to believe in hard money. People on this board helped me get past that. Ignorance is not the same as unteachableness. Yes, we should keep him around so that we may learn how repeated staring into the sun will improve our eye sight and eventually lead to freedom from food and freedom from the need to take a shit. Let him fight our ignorance!! See post 31. [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=15248921#post15248921](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=15248921#post15248921) I am so tired of wearing glasses and having to take a shit that it just might owrk!! Sorry for the typo, I’m ty[ing blind here. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2012, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-not-flame-sungazer-to-death-ok/627589/26 "2012-07-08T22:35:57Z")
> [@Dallas\_Jones](#): > > Yes, we should keep him around so that we may learn how repeated staring into the sun will improve our eye sight and eventually lead to freedom from food and freedom from the need to take a shit. > > Let him fight our ignorance!! See post 31. > > [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=15248921#post15248921](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=15248921#post15248921) > > I am so tired of wearing glasses and having to take a shit that it just might owrk!! > > Sorry for the typo, I’m ty[ing blind here. My future’s so bright, I don’t have to wear shades. ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Panda](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ee7513/32.png) [@Darth\_Panda](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Panda)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2012, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-not-flame-sungazer-to-death-ok/627589/27 "2012-07-08T22:42:29Z")
> [@foolsguinea](#): > > **SunGazer** popped up in a thread on hypothetical asymmetrical nuclear war, and made a comment about the USA being properly a republic not a democracy, which I have heard from various GOP partisans before. But SG was not a typical rightie, more America First/isolationist I thought.? I don’t quite get this. The US is a republic, not a democracy - but who cares? What does that have to do with partisan anything? > [@](#): > > Government type: > > Constitution-based federal republic; strong democratic tradition [https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/us.html](https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/us.html) ---
**Author:** ![Accidental\_Martyr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ce7236/32.png) [@Accidental\_Martyr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Accidental_Martyr)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2012, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-not-flame-sungazer-to-death-ok/627589/28 "2012-07-09T01:15:00Z")
I thought we were an autonomous collective. ---
**Author:** ![Nunzio\_Tavulari](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b9bd4f/32.png) [@Nunzio\_Tavulari](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nunzio_Tavulari)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2012, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-not-flame-sungazer-to-death-ok/627589/29 "2012-07-09T01:18:26Z")
> [@Dallas\_Jones](#): > > Yes, we should keep him around so that we may learn how repeated staring into the sun will improve our eye sight and eventually lead to freedom from food and freedom from the need to take a shit. Mama always told me not to look in to the eyes of the sun, But mama, that’s where the fun is. ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Panda](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ee7513/32.png) [@Darth\_Panda](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Panda)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2012, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-not-flame-sungazer-to-death-ok/627589/30 "2012-07-09T01:24:37Z")
> [@Accidental\_Martyr](#): > > I thought we were an autonomous collective. You’re fooling yourself. ---
**Author:** ![Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/qadgop_the_mercotan/32/83_2.png) [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qadgop_the_Mercotan)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2012, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-not-flame-sungazer-to-death-ok/627589/31 "2012-07-09T01:29:18Z")
> [@Darth\_Panda](#): > > You’re fooling yourself. Come see the violence inherent in the system! ---
**Author:** ![Accidental\_Martyr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ce7236/32.png) [@Accidental\_Martyr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Accidental_Martyr)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2012, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-not-flame-sungazer-to-death-ok/627589/32 "2012-07-09T02:09:30Z")
Help! Help! I’m being repressed! ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2012, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-not-flame-sungazer-to-death-ok/627589/33 "2012-07-09T02:40:02Z")
You’re not being repressed. The ficticious ‘you’ created by the state is being repressed. If you’re lucky, you’ll be used as collateral on the public debt. Maybe to a nice little country with chocolate and mountains. ---
**Author:** ![Accidental\_Martyr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ce7236/32.png) [@Accidental\_Martyr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Accidental_Martyr)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2012, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-not-flame-sungazer-to-death-ok/627589/34 "2012-07-09T02:59:33Z")
Did you see him repressing me? You saw it didn’t you? ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2012, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-not-flame-sungazer-to-death-ok/627589/35 "2012-07-09T03:01:08Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > [Man overboard!](http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Freeman_on_the_land#Admiralty_law_and_court_appearance_techniques) This is way crazier than I thought :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Feldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lord_feldon/32/341_2.png) [@Lord\_Feldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Feldon)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2012, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-not-flame-sungazer-to-death-ok/627589/36 "2012-07-09T03:29:16Z")
> [@Darth\_Panda](#): > > I don’t quite get this. The US is a republic, not a democracy - but who cares? The US is a republic _and_ a democracy. Democracy has more than one meaning (and so does republic). ---
**Author:** ![Zebra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c0e974/32.png) [@Zebra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zebra)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2012, 6:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-not-flame-sungazer-to-death-ok/627589/37 "2012-07-09T06:23:12Z")
Can we do it till he needs glasses? ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2012, 7:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-not-flame-sungazer-to-death-ok/627589/38 "2012-07-09T07:10:13Z")
What, are you afraid of what you’d find if you took a look inside? ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Panda](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ee7513/32.png) [@Darth\_Panda](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Panda)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2012, 9:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-not-flame-sungazer-to-death-ok/627589/39 "2012-07-09T09:55:32Z")
> [@Lord\_Feldon](#): > > The US is a republic _and_ a democracy. Democracy has more than one meaning (and so does republic). Well, by law, it self-identifies as a republic. But I hear what you’re saying, and I don’t think calling it a democracy is necessarily incorrect - I just think republic is more appropriate, especially when it repeatedly defines itself as such. > [@](#): > > 1. What form of government do we have in the United > States? > The United States, under its Constitution, is a federal, representative, democratic republic, an indivisible union of 50 sovereign > States. With the exception of town meetings, a form of pure democracy, we have at the local, state, and national levels a government > which is: ‘‘federal’’ because power is shared among these three levels; ‘‘democratic’’ because the people govern themselves and have > the means to control the government; and ‘‘republic’’ because the > people choose elected delegates by free and secret ballot H. Con. Res. 139, 2003 [http://infousa.state.gov/government/overview/docs/ouramgov.pdf](http://infousa.state.gov/government/overview/docs/ouramgov.pdf) If you have a cite where the US government states that it is a democracy in an official government document, I’d be interested in seeing it, particularly if it differentiates itself from a republic in doing so, as the the above Act of Congress does in the converse. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2012, 10:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-not-flame-sungazer-to-death-ok/627589/40 "2012-07-09T10:05:00Z")
> [@An\_Gadai](#): > > [Why Does the Sun Shine](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JdWlSF195Y)? In the interest in fighting ignorance: [Why Does the Sun Really Shine?](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLkGSV9WDMA) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-not-flame-sungazer-to-death-ok/627589.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-not-flame-sungazer-to-death-ok/627589.md?page=3)