# Can we now, finally, chew the lying stripper a new one? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 11, 2007, 5:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-now-finally-chew-the-lying-stripper-a-new-one/399607 "2007-04-11T05:01:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2007, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-now-finally-chew-the-lying-stripper-a-new-one/399607/181 "2007-04-12T15:58:41Z")
[QUOTE=brickbacon] Esp. when said venting is the type of hateful, selective outrage that I’ve seen in this case, and those people deny their outrage has anything to do with the racial facts of this case. There is a situation like this going on everyday, and it usually doesn’t have this good an outcome, yet I don’t hear all these people (on both sides) picking sides, or even giving a shit. If you want to be pissed fine, but don’t try to pretend it’s because you grossly offended by the perversion of justice. You’re just mad because some white dudes got fucked by a “lying whore” “cum dumpster” black stripper. If those weren’t the circumstances of this case, you probably never would have heard about it, and you would be bitching about he weather instead. [/QUOTE] You know what? Fuck you. Fuck your assumptions, fuck your straw men, but most of all fuck your incessant racism. You sit here and spew this race baiting dribble while at the same time denying the racial bias of your own comments which are plain as day. You have no idea what I may or may not do outside these boards. You don’t know what causes I might support with my time and or money, you know absolutely nothing, yet you persist on making grandiose condemnations based upon your own assumptions. Go suck on a barbed wire fence, asshole. ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2007, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-now-finally-chew-the-lying-stripper-a-new-one/399607/182 "2007-04-12T16:02:08Z")
[QUOTE=brickbacon] Then who spoke to her that night. Someone on that side had to have. [/QUOTE] The police. > [@](#): > > Also, cite that there were no injuries and that she gave 5 contradictory statements that night. Gladly. However, I will be away from the computer for a while. Check back in a few hours if you can. ---
**Author:** ![AHunter3](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ahunter3/32/368_2.png) [@AHunter3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AHunter3)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2007, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-now-finally-chew-the-lying-stripper-a-new-one/399607/183 "2007-04-12T16:02:55Z")
[QUOTE=Contrapuntal] Has anyone made that assertion? I thought the “whore” part was just name-calling, not a claim of evidence against her story. [/QUOTE] I may have misread the emphasis here: [QUOTE=Ponder Stibbons] “lying whore”, as **Huerta88** loves to say, can be counted on to, well, lie. [/QUOTE] I understood that to be an assertion that because she is a whore, her claims to having been raped are of course lies. I’ll concede it could be read as an assertion that because she is a _lying_ whore (the whore part being incidental here), her claims to anything (therefore to having been raped) are of course lies. ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2007, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-now-finally-chew-the-lying-stripper-a-new-one/399607/184 "2007-04-12T16:07:36Z")
[QUOTE=AHunter3] I see no reason to consider “she was a prostitute” to be in any sense supporting evidence for “she wasn’t telling the truth when she said she was lying”. [/QUOTE] Working in a sex occupation actually increases one chances of being raped, according to the CDC. And gee, that’s a no brainer. If you are in the business of selling sex, the equivalent to shoplifting is rape. Ask any merchant about stealing and they’ll tell you that happens all the time. A sex merchant (a prostitute) would be no different. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2007, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-now-finally-chew-the-lying-stripper-a-new-one/399607/185 "2007-04-12T16:08:30Z")
> [@Brickbacon](#): > > Complete bullshit. You can talk about philosophy all you want, but in reality, it has to work that way. In a sexual assault case, there is often no DNA to test, no witnesses to the crime, and no overwhelming physical evidence. Should we not believe anybody who reports a crime like this? The alternative is much worse. This statement is pretty ironic, considering how many black men have either been unjustly imprisoned or literally lynched because a white woman accused them of rape. This case is a twisted parody of those cases. Instead of people making racist assumptions about blacks, people made stereotypical assumptions about fraternity jocks. “These are rich white elitist assholes. They must be guilty of _something_. Let’s git 'em.” ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2007, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-now-finally-chew-the-lying-stripper-a-new-one/399607/186 "2007-04-12T16:27:17Z")
[QUOTE=catsix] And to think there were people here who didn’t believe that this false accusation by Crystal Mangum, **lying whore** , would mar these young men permanently. [/QUOTE] Hey, didn’t you post at length in the recent GD thread about the unfair sexual double standard that keeps women chained to such concepts as “slut” and “whore”? Ask yourself why you can’t just call Magnum a liar without using her sexuality as a slur. Then maybe it’ll dawn on you that you’re doing the _exact_ same thing that you accuse the society boogeyman of doing. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2007, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-now-finally-chew-the-lying-stripper-a-new-one/399607/187 "2007-04-12T16:28:56Z")
[QUOTE=Huerta88] Have you ever met someone who had sex with two strangers, at two different business hotels, in a 24 hour period, but was just “promiscuous?” … [/QUOTE] Yes, hotels/motels at renfaires, tents at Pensic. Calling one of those women a whore will get you an introduction to the business end of a sharp blade! [QUOTE=Huerta88] … I will put you to the same challenge I put the other faux-head-scratcher: If an omniscient being held a gun to your head and asked you what happened when a skankity-skank went to a Holiday Inn Express and another business hotel for respective one hour periods in a one day time frame, and you had to make one guess, would you REALLY have the suicidal smirkiness to say “Gee, I can’t say, so I’ll assume she was on a date with a new beau, or crocheting, or they watched SportsCenter?” … [/QUOTE] No, but see, I was in the room when the dancers I was a bouncer for, striped in those hotels. Of the 12 or 15 who did “parties” ONE did “side work”. And yes, while it was a rare event, (and I was really happy that I was heavily armed) we did “parties” where the only people in the room were me, the dancer and one very nervous guy. [QUOTE=Contrapuntal] … The latter. She called it “a crock.” [/QUOTE] > [@](#): > > [**Second Duke Stripper Offers Account**](http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/04/21/national/main1526321.shtml?source=RSS&attr=HOME_1526321) > DURHAM, N.C., April 21, 2006 > AP) At first, a stripper who performed at a Duke University lacrosse team party doubted the story of a colleague who told police she was dragged into a bathroom and raped. > > Now, Kim Roberts isn’t so sure. > > “I was not in the bathroom when it happened, so I can’t say a rape occurred — and I never will,” Roberts told The Associated Press on Thursday in her first on-the-record interview. But after watching defense attorneys release photos of the accuser, and upset by the leaking of both dancers’ criminal pasts, she said she has to “wonder about their character.” > > “In all honesty, I think they’re guilty,” she said. “And I can’t say which ones are guilty … but somebody did something besides underage drinking. That’s my honest-to-God impression.” … > [@](#): > > [\*\*Duke accuser lying, second stripper says > \*\*](http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15238767/) > MSNBC News Services > Updated: 2:43 p.m. ET Oct 13, 2006 > > Kim Roberts, the second stripper in the Duke University rape case, told “60 Minutes” that the accuser is lying about being sexually assault during the off-campus party in March, ESPN reported Thursday. > > Roberts had called the allegations a “crock” in June. … So that’s how many different stories she’s told? Is anything she has to say credible? If I remember the time line correctly, wasn’t she outside sitting in her car, when what didn’t happen, didn’t happen? That’s not evidence, it’s opinion. [QUOTE=Contrapuntal] He certainly failed present evidence (lack of LAX DNA, plus multiple other DNA hits) that would have exonerated them. … [/QUOTE] Funny that you can get a murder conviction without a body, or convicted of murder despite no evidence that you ever had the murder weapon, > [@](#): > > [SAN DIEGO](http://www.courttv.com/trials/sommer/011007_ctv.html) — With a simple Internet search, murder defendant Cynthia Sommer could have easily obtained the arsenic that appears to have slowly poisoned her Marine husband to death in February 2002. > But after three days of testimony from more than 30 witnesses, prosecutors have not presented jurors with any evidence that Sommer made a single attempt to secure the lethal poison. … > > … Moreover, the case against her largely is built on the fact that, according to witnesses, she acted inappropriately for a grieving widow: She had loud parties at the couple’s home on the Marine Corp Air Station at Miramar, Calif., in the weeks after Todd’s death. She spent part of his insurance policy on breast implant surgery, exactly two months after he collapsed and died on their bedroom floor. She also began a relationship with another Marine the same day as her surgery. … Hmm, she’s a whore, must be a lying murderer too! The lack of DNA in a rape case can get you exonerated, but DNA evidence that proves your innocent isn’t enough to get you off death row. Strange world. CMC fnord! [QUOTE=Airman Doors, USAF] Yeah, there’s no need to dredge up a 35-page trainwreck. Besides, this thread will be considerably shorter. I don’t expect to see too many stand-up posters come in here to recant their previous stance. As usual, since nobody really wants to wade through a thread like that, there’s strength in anonymity. [/QUOTE] Yeah, wouldn’t want anybody actually reading that thread and discovering how many folks would need to recant their previous stance. I’m sure you can provide us with a list of posters who clearly took the position “she’s telling the truth,”. ---
**Author:** ![Malacandra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Malacandra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malacandra)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2007, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-now-finally-chew-the-lying-stripper-a-new-one/399607/188 "2007-04-12T16:32:56Z")
[QUOTE=you with the face] Hey, didn’t you post at length in the recent GD thread about the unfair sexual double standard that keeps women chained to such concepts as “slut” and “whore”? Ask yourself why you can’t just call Magnum a liar without using her sexuality as a slur. Then maybe it’ll dawn on you that you’re doing the _exact_ same thing that you accuse the society boogeyman of doing. [/QUOTE] Well, given that she is (a) a sex worker and (b) mendacious, the epithet seems justified. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2007, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-now-finally-chew-the-lying-stripper-a-new-one/399607/189 "2007-04-12T16:42:22Z")
[QUOTE=Malacandra] Well, given that she is (a) a sex worker and (b) mendacious, the epithet seems justified. :rolleyes: [/QUOTE] Why is being a sex worker worthy of an epithet, in **catsix’s** utopia of sexual freedom and enlightenment? If she were a physician, no one think of refering to her as a Lying Doctor. Same thing if she were a waitress or a bus driver. But the mere _possibility_ that Magnum sells sex for cash means that we have to call her a Lying Whore in order to fully communicate her despicability and awfulness. **Catsix** persists in calling her this, and yet she wants to be taken seriously when she complains that society makes women feel bad about expressing their sexual side? Please. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2007, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-now-finally-chew-the-lying-stripper-a-new-one/399607/190 "2007-04-12T16:59:47Z")
[QUOTE=AHunter3] … I understood that to be an assertion that because she is a whore, her claims to having been raped are of course lies. I’ll concede it could be read as an assertion that because she is a _lying_ whore (the whore part being incidental here), her claims to anything (therefore to having been raped) are of course lies. [/QUOTE] There is a post in the **LW** thread that takes the position that because part of a strippers job is pretending to actually be interested in/like the guys she’s performing for, strippers are liars and the accusation was not believable on those grounds alone. My feeling from day one of that thread was the word, intentionally or not, brought to mind the old “you can’t rape a whore” lie. I have only raised that twice, when I thought a comment came close to actually saying it. [QUOTE=Malacandra] Ah, the double standards defence. :rolleyes: [color = #f8f8f8]TWAT![/color] [/QUOTE] What defense? The double standard is the one that allows a woman who has multiple sex partners to be called a whore, a moral judgment, while applying no similar moral judgment to males. Since we’re making moral judgments about her, anybody care to make one about the guy who suggested she fuck herself with a broom for their entertainment? Somehow I found it possible to not decide who to believe in this case (since I didn’t have enough facts), and not make moral any moral judgments about any of the parties, why was that so hard for everyone else? CMC fnord! Dude, if ya want to call me a twat, just do it. Have some balls! ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2007, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-now-finally-chew-the-lying-stripper-a-new-one/399607/191 "2007-04-12T16:59:50Z")
[QUOTE=brickbacon] I’m suggesting the plausibility of a story is related to the frequency with which it happens. [/QUOTE] I await the next 35 page trainwreck where **ywtf** explains to you the error of your ways. ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2007, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-now-finally-chew-the-lying-stripper-a-new-one/399607/192 "2007-04-12T17:07:44Z")
[QUOTE=Ellis Dee] I await the next 35 page trainwreck where **ywtf** explains to you the error of your ways. [/QUOTE] I’m not going there, anymore. Yall can knock yourself silly with bullshit if you’d like, but I don’t have the energy to go down that road again. But I will say this: **brickbacon** that’s fallacious reasoning you’re using, unless there’s more context that I’m missing to your statement. Please read the LW thread. My hair turned gray from the amount of sheer stupidity people were using to justify their opinions about this case. Believing any side without the benefit of evidence is wrong. The accuser should not have been believed at face value and neither should the accused. Population-based stats have no bearing on the veracity of an individual claim. ---
**Author:** ![catsix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e19b73/32.png) [@catsix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/catsix)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2007, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-now-finally-chew-the-lying-stripper-a-new-one/399607/193 "2007-04-12T17:40:26Z")
> [@](#): > > **you with the face** said: > Hey, didn’t you post at length in the recent GD thread about the unfair sexual double standard that keeps women chained to such concepts as “slut” and “whore”? Crystal Mangum is both a liar and a whore. Applying the term to someone who fucks for money is hardly a ‘sexual double standard’. Lying prostitute, lying hooker, and lying whore are all descriptors that apply to Crystal Mangum. > [@](#): > > Ask yourself why you can’t just call Magnum a liar without using her sexuality as a slur. Oh but honey, it ain’t Crystal Mangum’s sexuality that I’m referring to. It’s her occupation. Then again I wasn’t the one sarcastically stating that ‘justice’ had been done in this case as if the spoiled rich white jocks got away with it. > [@](#): > > Then maybe it’ll dawn on you that you’re doing the exact same thing that you accuse the society boogeyman of doing. Crystal Mangum is both a liar and a whore. Are there other terms for her occupation? Well, like I said, she’s also a lying hooker and a lying prostitute. Would you be happier if I just called her a piece of shit sucking scum who should rot in prison for a good long time? > [@](#): > > If she were a physician, no one think of refering to her as a Lying Doctor. Because it doesn’t quite have the ring to it. Lying butcher, now there’s a sling. And now, **you with the face** tries to turn everything around onto me because she was the one going on and on about the poor widdwe black victim of the big bad white jocks. She’s trying to duck the fact that she made the sarcastic rich-white-jocks-got-away-with-it sounding post in this thread, and I’m a good target for that because I’ve placed a difference between a dishonest piece of shit whose occupation in life seems to be screwing men one way or another (either fucking for money, or claiming rape) and a female who just enjoys sex. I sincerely doubt that Crystal Mangum is the latter. > [@](#): > > **crowmanyclouds** said: > Since we’re making moral judgments about her, anybody care to make one about the guy who suggested she fuck herself with a broom for their entertainment? While said statement is somewhat fucked up and rather disgusting, it doesn’t quite have the destructive power of a rape accusation. On the grand scheme of things, I’d probably consider the guy a creep. Of course, it’s not illegal to be a creep, nor does it make someone a rapist. > [@](#): > > Somehow I found it possible to not decide who to believe in this case (since I didn’t have enough facts), and not make moral any moral judgments about any of the parties, why was that so hard for everyone else? And just what do you think of Crystal Mangum now? ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2007, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-now-finally-chew-the-lying-stripper-a-new-one/399607/194 "2007-04-12T17:42:10Z")
[QUOTE=you with the face] No, but seriously. I hope he gets what he fully deserves for the havoc he’s caused! I did give him the benefit of the doubt because I figure as a District Attorney that is a reasonable thing to do. [/QUOTE] Because you have some previous personal experience with Nifong that made that reasonable? Or because statistically, it’s extremely rare for a DA to do what he did? ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2007, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-now-finally-chew-the-lying-stripper-a-new-one/399607/195 "2007-04-12T17:43:50Z")
[QUOTE=Polycarp] I got the impression from the way he worded his comments that he wasn’t convinced he could get a conviction against an insanity and/or coercion (by Nifong) defense, and that she was not what he wanted to go after. [/QUOTE] Given that “coercion (by Nifong)” is the less damaging (to the defendant) defense, and thus the more likely to be presented, I think it would be worthwhile to nail that point down in a court of law, in preparation for putting Nifong behind bars. ---
**Author:** ![brickbacon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/898d66/32.png) [@brickbacon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brickbacon)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2007, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-now-finally-chew-the-lying-stripper-a-new-one/399607/196 "2007-04-12T17:54:36Z")
[QUOTE=Larry Borgia] This statement is pretty ironic, considering how many black men have either been unjustly imprisoned or literally lynched because a white woman accused them of rape. [/QUOTE] So should we not trust any white women who accuse black men of rape in the absence of certain types of evidence? There is no irony in my post. Yes, it sucks, people will get screwed, but in a court of law, the accuser word, is evidence, and sometimes it is the only evidence. We should not devalue the importance of this. [QUOTE=Larry Borgia] This case is a twisted parody of those cases. Instead of people making racist assumptions about blacks, people made stereotypical assumptions about fraternity jocks. “These are rich white elitist assholes. They must be guilty of _something_. Let’s git 'em.” [/QUOTE] And nobody assumed they were innocent because she was a black stripper? Either way, I don’t see the connection. Are you saying we shouldn’t trust people who accuse others of rape? [QUOTE=you with the face] **brickbacon** that’s fallacious reasoning you’re using, unless there’s more context that I’m missing to your statement. Please read the LW thread. My hair turned gray from the amount of sheer stupidity people were using to justify their opinions about this case. Believing any side without the benefit of evidence is wrong. The accuser should not have been believed at face value and neither should the accused. Population-based stats have no bearing on the veracity of an individual claim. [/QUOTE] I am not engaging fallacious reasoning. They are distorting what I said in order to pit you and I against on another. I remember the thread in question, and I am on your side. I am sure my statement in this thread was not as clear as it could have been, but I can assure you it don’t think crime stats are an indication of one individual’s veracity. ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2007, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-now-finally-chew-the-lying-stripper-a-new-one/399607/197 "2007-04-12T17:56:07Z")
[QUOTE=catsix] Crystal Mangum is both a liar and a whore. Applying the term to someone who fucks for money is hardly a ‘sexual double standard’. Lying prostitute, lying hooker, and lying whore are all descriptors that apply to Crystal Mangum. [/quote] So you see nothing at all hypocritical about using her sex-oriented occupation as a slur against her character? Or are you just being obtuse for the hell of it? > [@](#): > > Oh but honey, it ain’t Crystal Mangum’s sexuality that I’m referring to. It’s her occupation. Yeah, an occupation that deals with sex. You _know_ that if she were in any other business, her occupation would be irrelevant. Your density is amazing. > [@](#): > > Then again I wasn’t the one sarcastically stating that ‘justice’ had been done in this case as if the spoiled rich white jocks got away with it. I wasn’t being sarcastic. I am glad that the charges have been dropped. But please, continue to bark untruths. > [@](#): > > Crystal Mangum is both a liar and a whore. Are there other terms for her occupation? Well, like I said, she’s also a lying hooker and a lying prostitute. Would you be happier if I just called her a piece of shit sucking scum who should rot in prison for a good long time? It would certainly make you look less hypocritical. > [@](#): > > Because it doesn’t quite have the ring to it. Lying butcher, now there’s a sling. Uh huh. Sure it does. Make sure you don’t twist a neuron with the mental gymnastics you got going on there. > [@](#): > > And just what do you think of Crystal Mangum now? She’s either a despical liar who deserves to have the book thrown at her or a sick twisted crackpot who needs to be committed. Her being a stripper or a whore or anything has nothing to do with my assessment, kiddo. ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2007, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-now-finally-chew-the-lying-stripper-a-new-one/399607/198 "2007-04-12T17:57:27Z")
[QUOTE=brickbacon] Also, cite that there were no injuries and that she gave 5 contradictory statements that night. [/QUOTE] Here ya go. From [here.](http://johnsville.blogspot.com/2006/04/duke-lacrosse-rape-timeline.html) From a staff member at Durham Access, an involuntary detox center, approximately 1:40 AM. > [@](#): > > The accuser interacted with at least three Durham Access Center staff members: Alycia Wright, Meriecia Smith, and Gerri Lomuriel Wilkes. In response to a question from one of those staff members, accuser initially alleged that she was raped. From Durham Police Sgt. J.C. Shelton, 2:31 AM. > [@](#): > > She told me that no one forced her to have sex. She then mentioned thatsomeone had taken her money. From Sgt. Shelton’s report, 2:45 AM. > [@](#): > > Within a few minutes, I was told that she told the SANE doctor that she had been raped. I called the Watch Commander back and told him that she had changed her story back to being raped. I returned to the room where she was and asked her if she had or had not been raped. She told me she did not want to talk to me anymore and then started crying and saying something about them dragging her into the bathroom. 2:50 AM. Mangum tells he S.A.N.E. nurse-in-training that she was not choked. > [@](#): > > Crystal Mangum told the S.A.N.E. nurse in training that she was not choked; that no condoms, fingers or foreign objects were used during the alleged sexual assault; and that the S.A.N.E. nurse in training noted that Crysta Mangum’s head, neck, throat, mouth, chest, breasts, addomen, and upper and lower extremities all were normal even though Crystal Mangum complained of “tenderness” over her body . She tells the nurse that “Nikki” (Kim Roberts) assisted in the rape and stole her money. > [@](#): > > She told the S.A.N.E. nurse in training that Kim Roberts/Pittman a.k.a. Nikki assisted the players in her alleged sexual assault and that Nikki stole all her “money and everything.” 3:14 AM > [@](#): > > Doctor examination of accuser at DUMC. Doctor noted that she denied being hit and that she claimed no neck, back, chest or abdomen tenderness. From the Probable Cause Affidavit dated March 27, 2006: > [@](#): > > Shortly after going back into the dwelling the two women were separated. Two males, Adam and Matt pulled the victim into the bathroom. Someone closed the door to the bathroom where she was, and said “sweet heart you can’t leave.” The victim stated that she tried to leave, but the three males (Adam, Bret, and Matt) forcefully held her legs arms and raped and sexually assaulted her anally, vaginally and orally. The victim stated she was hit, kicked, and strangled during the assault. As she attempted to defend herself, she was overpowered. The victim reported she was sexually assaulted for an approximately 30 minute time period by the three males.. That’s at least five different stories. I think in the end there eleven or more. As to her injuries – > [@](#): > > …the only evidence of physical trauma the S.A.N.E nurse in training could find on Crystal Mangum was a scratch on her knee and a small laceration to her heel, both of which were non-bleeding So she was choked, but she wasn’t, and she was hit, but she wasn’t, she was raped, but she wasn’t, She was strangled, but she wasn’t, Roberts assisted the players, no she didn’t … If necessary, I can dig up cites for the ever changing number of participants in the rape, from 0, to 20, to 5, to 4, and to 3. Hell, that’s five versions right there. ---
**Author:** ![Caridwen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c89c15/32.png) [@Caridwen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Caridwen)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2007, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-now-finally-chew-the-lying-stripper-a-new-one/399607/200 "2007-04-12T18:02:20Z")
This is totally an off topic question, but what happens to the prosecutors and witnesses when they release a wrongly convicted person that’s been in prison for 25 years based on DNA? Do they investigate or ever press charges against people? I know people have sued but wouldn’t trying the person sometimes be criminal? I say sometimes because I don’t think the prosecutors always do it in bad faith. Just curious. ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2007, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-now-finally-chew-the-lying-stripper-a-new-one/399607/201 "2007-04-12T18:04:46Z")
[QUOTE=Bricker] Because you have some previous personal experience with Nifong that made that reasonable? [/QUOTE] This is a ridiculous question coming from you, **Bricker** , a man who continued to support the president long after evidence came out that he’s a lying liar. No I have no personal experience with Nifong. That’s exactly why I didn’t assume that he’s an unethical bastard without having evidence of that fact. Since when did this become such an unreasonable position that it has to be explained to a _lawyer_? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-now-finally-chew-the-lying-stripper-a-new-one/399607.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-now-finally-chew-the-lying-stripper-a-new-one/399607.md?page=11)