# Can we now, finally, chew the lying stripper a new one? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 11, 2007, 5:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-now-finally-chew-the-lying-stripper-a-new-one/399607 "2007-04-11T05:01:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Xema](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/9de053/32.png) [@Xema](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Xema)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2007, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-now-finally-chew-the-lying-stripper-a-new-one/399607/224 "2007-04-12T23:29:23Z")
[QUOTE=athelas] If he didn’t actually commit the rape, I’m sure whatever he did was bad enough. [/QUOTE] Son, take a few lessons in kowtowing to Angry Studies professors and there could be a bright future for you in university administration. ---
**Author:** ![Caridwen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c89c15/32.png) [@Caridwen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Caridwen)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2007, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-now-finally-chew-the-lying-stripper-a-new-one/399607/225 "2007-04-12T23:56:56Z")
[QUOTE=SnakesCatLady] There was a case in the news recently in Atlanta where a man was released (through the assistance of The Innocence Project) after serving 25 years for a rape he didn’t commit. I think the State of Georgia will end up giving him several million dollars. [/QUOTE] Yes I’ve heard of cases like that but do they ever go back and re-investigate the case to see why the person was convicted? Every case can’t be mistaken identity. There have to be some cases where witnesses lied or a prosecutor or police withheld evidence. ---
**Author:** ![Una\_Persson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/una_persson/32/346_2.png) [@Una\_Persson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Una_Persson)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2007, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-now-finally-chew-the-lying-stripper-a-new-one/399607/226 "2007-04-13T00:13:03Z")
[QUOTE=Xema] Son, take a few lessons in kowtowing to Angry Studies professors and there could be a bright future for you in university administration. [/QUOTE] “Angry Studies”…oh, that’s going in the quote book. I love it! ---
**Author:** ![HubZilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ccd318/32.png) [@HubZilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HubZilla)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2007, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-now-finally-chew-the-lying-stripper-a-new-one/399607/227 "2007-04-13T00:46:32Z")
[QUOTE=Contrapuntal] [Nifong apologizes.](http://www.wral.com/news/local/flash/1270373/) Sorta. Kinda. But rather weakly, and with mondo caveats. [A much better, unqualified, apology.](http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=hill/070412&lpos=spotlight&lid=tab1pos1) [/QUOTE] I like the ESPN guy’s parallel to the Imus issue. What Imus did is mere child’s play compared to what Mangum and Nifong did to the Duke lacrosse players. ---
**Author:** ![HubZilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ccd318/32.png) [@HubZilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HubZilla)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2007, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-now-finally-chew-the-lying-stripper-a-new-one/399607/228 "2007-04-13T00:58:42Z")
Let’s try that again. [QUOTE=Contrapuntal] [Nifong apologizes.](http://www.wral.com/news/local/flash/1270373/) Sorta. Kinda. But rather weakly, and with mondo caveats. [/QUOTE] “To the extent that I made judgments that ultimately proved to be incorrect, I apologize to the three students that were wrongly accused.” Nice. :rolleyes: I admit I have tons of respect for the Attorney General. Rather than say “Due to lack of evidence, the charges have been dropped” or some such, the AG stated unequivocally that the LAX players were “innocent”. “…based on the significant inconsistencies between the evidence and the various accounts given by the accusing witness, we believe these three individuals are _innocent_ of these charges.” Cooper stated that his own investigation “led us to the conclusion that _no attack occurred_.” [QUOTE=Contrapuntal] [A much better, unqualified, apology.](http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=hill/070412&lpos=spotlight&lid=tab1pos1) [/QUOTE] I like the ESPN guy’s parallel to the Imus issue. What Imus did is mere child’s play compared to what Mangum and Nifong did to the Duke lacrosse players. Will Mangum apologize? Heck, will Jesse Jackson and the New Black Panthers apologize? ---
**Author:** ![Rick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9f8e36/32.png) [@Rick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2007, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-now-finally-chew-the-lying-stripper-a-new-one/399607/229 "2007-04-13T03:11:18Z")
[QUOTE=HubZilla] I like the ESPN **guy’s** parallel to the Imus issue. What Imus did is mere child’s play compared to what Mangum and Nifong did to the Duke lacrosse players. Will Mangum apologize? Heck, will Jesse Jackson and the New Black Panthers apologize? [/QUOTE] Ah **Hub** , better go back and look at that ESPN page again [personal name and email removed by moderator] 😃 (boldings mine) ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2007, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-now-finally-chew-the-lying-stripper-a-new-one/399607/230 "2007-04-13T03:24:25Z")
[QUOTE=brickbacon] So should we not trust any white women who accuse black men of rape in the absence of certain types of evidence? There is no irony in my post. Yes, it sucks, people will get screwed, but in a court of law, the accuser word, is evidence, and sometimes it is the only evidence. We should not devalue the importance of this. [/QUOTE] Absent any corroborating evidence, we certainly shouldn’t trust them to the point where we ruin somebody’s life. “People will get screwed” is a pretty glib attitude. ---
**Author:** ![intention](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e95f7d/32.png) [@intention](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/intention)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2007, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-now-finally-chew-the-lying-stripper-a-new-one/399607/231 "2007-04-13T04:39:47Z")
[QUOTE=Rick] Ah **Hub** , better go back and look at that ESPN page again [removed by moderator] [/QUOTE] Thanks for the link, I sent a quick email to Jemele Hill thanking her for her public honesty. She rocks! w. ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2007, 7:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-now-finally-chew-the-lying-stripper-a-new-one/399607/232 "2007-04-13T07:19:41Z")
[QUOTE=brickbacon] What the hell are you talking about? You have a right to confront your accuser during a trial. These kids never went to trial. Your rambling aside, this has nothing to do with the discussion. [/quote] I guess I was unclear by what you meant by “undue scrutiny”. By the way, I was polite to you even though this was the Pit, but since you feel like being an asshole, go ahead and fuck off. Marc ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2007, 10:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-now-finally-chew-the-lying-stripper-a-new-one/399607/233 "2007-04-13T10:42:43Z")
[QUOTE=HubZilla] I like the ESPN guy’s parallel to the Imus issue. What Imus did is mere child’s play compared to what Mangum and Nifong did to the Duke lacrosse players. [/QUOTE] You might be thinking of [Jason Whitlock,](http://www.kansascity.com/159/story/66339.html) who no longer works for ESPN. ---
**Author:** ![Will\_Repair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a698b9/32.png) [@Will\_Repair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Will_Repair)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2007, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-now-finally-chew-the-lying-stripper-a-new-one/399607/234 "2007-04-13T14:55:20Z")
[Editorial Cartoon about the case.](http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/opinion/orl-summers-cartgallery,0,1567608.photogallery?coll=orl-dp-classifieds&index=1) ---
**Author:** ![fluiddruid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fluiddruid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fluiddruid)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2007, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-now-finally-chew-the-lying-stripper-a-new-one/399607/235 "2007-04-13T15:07:25Z")
[QUOTE=Rick] Ah **Hub** , better go back and look at that ESPN page again [personal name and email removed by moderator] 😃 (boldings mine) [/QUOTE] **Rick** , please refer to our [FAQ - Rules for Posting at the Straight Dope Message Boards](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=384736) which states: > [@](#): > > Calls to Action: Threads calling for folks to take actions (political, charitable, personal, etc) are prohibited unless there is prior approval from a moderator or administrator. Do not instigate members to take action for or against any issue or entity. Do not post phone numbers, email addresses or any other personally identifiable information of any entity in this regard. Exceptions for valid and noble causes may be made with the advance permission of a moderator or administrator. Do not do this again. The relevant information has been removed. Members are free to research this information for themselves, but do not post such information for them or encourage them to take actions (including letter writing) on behalf of a point or cause. ---
**Author:** ![Wee\_Bairn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/90db22/32.png) [@Wee\_Bairn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wee_Bairn)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2007, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-now-finally-chew-the-lying-stripper-a-new-one/399607/236 "2007-04-13T15:09:29Z")
I know if I was convicted of a previous crime under this DA, I would be calling for my immediate release, or at least a review of my case. The three lads were wronged, no doubt, but their lives would not have been ruined even if you had videotape of them gang raping the chick. They are privileged, and their society would not allow them to be ruined in the same way as a regular person. They would still get into med school, still become doctors, etc. Is William Kennedy Smith ruined? Until he was jailed, was Michael Skakel ruined? ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2007, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-now-finally-chew-the-lying-stripper-a-new-one/399607/237 "2007-04-13T15:22:36Z")
[QUOTE=fluiddruid] **Rick** , please refer to our [FAQ - Rules for Posting at the Straight Dope Message Boards](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=384736) which states: Do not do this again. The relevant information has been removed. Members are free to research this information for themselves, but do not post such information for them or encourage them to take actions (including letter writing) on behalf of a point or cause. [/QUOTE] That wasn’t a call to action. That was the name of the writer for ESPN’s Page 2, that also happened to have her email address. Yeesh. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2007, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-now-finally-chew-the-lying-stripper-a-new-one/399607/238 "2007-04-13T15:54:16Z")
> [@](#): > > Calls to Action: Threads calling for folks to take actions (political, charitable, personal, etc) are prohibited unless there is prior approval from a moderator or administrator. I guess “go fuck yourself with Paris Hilton’s mascara brush” is out, then. 🙂 Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![fluiddruid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fluiddruid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fluiddruid)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2007, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-now-finally-chew-the-lying-stripper-a-new-one/399607/239 "2007-04-13T16:16:50Z")
[QUOTE=asterion] That wasn’t a call to action. That was the name of the writer for ESPN’s Page 2, that also happened to have her email address. Yeesh. [/QUOTE] So, what was the purpose of having an email address listed, if not for the purposes of contacting someone (as indeed was done)? I realize the response was positive, but notwithstanding, if users would like to contact an individual regarding the topic of a thread, they should look for themselves. Posting contact information in these cases is not allowed. ---
**Author:** ![Rick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9f8e36/32.png) [@Rick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2007, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-now-finally-chew-the-lying-stripper-a-new-one/399607/240 "2007-04-13T16:19:33Z")
**Fluiddruid** Rather than de-railing this train wreck any further, perhaps you would be so kind as to [step over here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=8462097#post8462097). ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2007, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-now-finally-chew-the-lying-stripper-a-new-one/399607/241 "2007-04-13T16:20:28Z")
[QUOTE=Wee Bairn] I know if I was convicted of a previous crime under this DA, I would be calling for my immediate release, or at least a review of my case. The three lads were wronged, no doubt, but their lives would not have been ruined even if you had videotape of them gang raping the chick. They are privileged, and their society would not allow them to be ruined in the same way as a regular person. They would still get into med school, still become doctors, etc. Is William Kennedy Smith ruined? Until he was jailed, was Michael Skakel ruined? [/QUOTE] Wait, are you high? If a video existed of them gang raping the chick, they’d go to jail for 20 years. That’ll ruin your life all right. ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2007, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-now-finally-chew-the-lying-stripper-a-new-one/399607/242 "2007-04-13T16:35:08Z")
[QUOTE=fluiddruid] So, what was the purpose of having an email address listed, if not for the purposes of contacting someone (as indeed was done)? I realize the response was positive, but notwithstanding, if users would like to contact an individual regarding the topic of a thread, they should look for themselves. Posting contact information in these cases is not allowed. [/QUOTE] I assume he just cut-and-pasted the bottom line from ESPN. ONE PERSON said that he decided to email the writer. Big deal. At the very least, you could have kept the columnist’s freaking name, as that was the ONLY point of that post. ---
**Author:** ![Wee\_Bairn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/90db22/32.png) [@Wee\_Bairn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wee_Bairn)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2007, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-now-finally-chew-the-lying-stripper-a-new-one/399607/243 "2007-04-13T16:58:09Z")
[QUOTE=Lemur866] Wait, are you high? If a video existed of them gang raping the chick, they’d go to jail for 20 years. That’ll ruin your life all right. [/QUOTE] Not automatically in the case- we have a stripper who will be called a prostitute and the attorney will destroy her credibility- cf the DA’s proposed witness credibility attack in the Kobe Bryant case. That was enough to scare the girl into not testifying. Add to that a victim who based on all accounts in not credible in general- any decent lawyer would tear her apart. They would say she was a willing participant, and on and on, planting reasonable doubt. They might get a lesser charge at most, a year or two, and be hailed as victims in their world when they get out. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-now-finally-chew-the-lying-stripper-a-new-one/399607.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-now-finally-chew-the-lying-stripper-a-new-one/399607.md?page=13)