# Can we now, finally, chew the lying stripper a new one? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 11, 2007, 5:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-now-finally-chew-the-lying-stripper-a-new-one/399607 "2007-04-11T05:01:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2007, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-now-finally-chew-the-lying-stripper-a-new-one/399607/101 "2007-04-11T20:41:19Z")
[QUOTE=catsix] Being falsely accused of rape and having yourself splattered all over every major news outlet for an entire year ‘builds character’? Five million dollars in legal fees to defend yourself from charges of an incident that is entirely the fabrication of Crystal Mangum and Mike Nifong 'builds character? [/QUOTE] If being subjected to bogus prosecution “builds character”, imagine how much more effective being subjected to legitimate prosecution would be. Crystal Mangum and Mike Nifong need some character building, stat… ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2007, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-now-finally-chew-the-lying-stripper-a-new-one/399607/102 "2007-04-11T20:45:06Z")
[QUOTE=Cheesesteak] As to the stripper, I see her as a minor player in all of this. [/quote] Not buying it. > [@](#): > > Some angry chick who wanted to teach these college kids a lesson for messing with her, and she got dragged in by an overzealous prosecutor. Once Nifong ran with the charges, she couldn’t easily back out without admitting to filing a false report. Well, then, it is necessary to insure that the actual consequences she suffers for refusing to recant her lies are far more severe than the consequences of admitting to filing a false report would have been. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2007, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-now-finally-chew-the-lying-stripper-a-new-one/399607/103 "2007-04-11T20:46:44Z")
[QUOTE=Cheesesteak] You give her an easy out so that the charges can be dropped, and the players don’t get hurt. [/QUOTE] OK, but only in the sense of a _relatively_ easy out (i.e. making her feel like an asteroid fell on her instead of like Jupiter fell on her). ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2007, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-now-finally-chew-the-lying-stripper-a-new-one/399607/104 "2007-04-11T20:47:16Z")
[QUOTE=Steve MB] Well, then, it is necessary to insure that the actual consequences she suffers for refusing to recant her lies are far more severe than the consequences of admitting to filing a false report would have been. [/QUOTE] Fight my genuine ignorance on this – What crimes did she actually commit? And what consequences could she face for them? ---
**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2007, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-now-finally-chew-the-lying-stripper-a-new-one/399607/105 "2007-04-11T20:59:17Z")
Brickbacon, you’re going to need entire states worth of farmland to find a home for all those strawmen you’re constructing. You’ve made a lot of assumptions about what I may or may not believe without a shred of evidence. In point of fact, you’re wrong about most of them, but I’m not going to debate my beliefs against your assumptions. As to the case at hand, you’re wrong there too. I did not jump on any “bandwagons” until the facts started to come out. My first post in the Lying Whore thread came on page 16. From the start it was obvious that the evidence did not match the story given by LWCM. The AG of North Carolina admitted as much when he dismissed the charges today, maybe you should read his statement before flying to the defense of Nifong. I’ll save you the trouble of finding it and quote it for you: > [@AG of NC](#): > > We believe that these cases were the result of a tragic rush to accuse and a failure to verify serious allegations. Based on the significant inconsistencies between the evidence and the various accounts given by the accusing witness, we believe these three individuals are innocent of these charges. > > We approached this case with the understanding that rape and sexual assault victims often have some inconsistencies in their accounts of a traumatic event. However, in this case, the inconsistencies were so significant and so contrary to the evidence that we have no credible evidence that an attack occurred in that house that night. > > _snip_ > > Our investigation shows that: > > The eyewitness identification procedures were faulty and unreliable. No DNA confirms the accuser’s story. No other witness confirms her story. Other evidence contradicts her story. She contradicts herself. Next week, we’ll be providing a written summary of the important factual findings and some of the specific contradictions that have led us to the conclusion that no attack occurred. > > In this case, with the weight of the state behind him, the Durham district attorney pushed forward unchecked. There were many points in the case where caution would have served justice better than bravado. And in the rush to condemn, a community and a state lost the ability to see clearly. Regardless of the reasons this case was pushed forward, the result was wrong. Your contention, and the contentions of others who have basically said “It doesn’t matter if these men are guilty of this crime, they’ve probably done something similar in the past and even if they haven’t other people like them have so it’s OK” is repugnant to me, and I would hope to any other intelligent person. These three young men were railroaded by a corrupt and power hungry DA, crucified by the national race baiting cadre of professional victims, stabbed in the side by an ultra liberal and PC faculty at Duke and finally buried in a tomb of public castigation and condemnation, none of which had any, any, basis in fact. These young men did nothing wrong the night in question, have in fact fully cooperated with the authorities every step of the way, and have had to deal with a full year of excruciating and public humiliation and punishment as a result. I call bullshit, bullshit a thousand times bullshit. As for LWCM herself, I call her that because that’s what she is, and my disgust with her is based upon her actions and nothing else. If that makes me an asshole, well then, so be it. If I’m an asshole for defending (if only in cyberspace) the innocent victims of a lying whore by wielding as my only weapon the truth, well then that’s a mantle I am proud to wear. ---
**Author:** ![Huerta88](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/82dd89/32.png) [@Huerta88](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Huerta88)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2007, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-now-finally-chew-the-lying-stripper-a-new-one/399607/106 "2007-04-11T21:15:33Z")
[QUOTE=brickbacon] Sure, some honest people will get fucked because of this, but that is he way it has to work. [/QUOTE] You do not understand the first thing about the philosophy behind our criminal law system and Constitution, which presume that it is far better for “real” victims to get “fucked” by letting off their in-fact-guilty defendants when the case is close, than for “some honest people to get fucked” by convicting or indicting clearly-innocent defendants. ---
**Author:** ![Huerta88](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/82dd89/32.png) [@Huerta88](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Huerta88)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2007, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-now-finally-chew-the-lying-stripper-a-new-one/399607/107 "2007-04-11T21:24:20Z")
[QUOTE=tdn] Fight my genuine ignorance on this – What crimes did she actually commit? And what consequences could she face for them? [/QUOTE] I can help you there. > [@](#): > > **§ 14‑225. False reports to law enforcement agencies or officers.** > > Any person who shall willfully make or cause to be made to a law enforcement agency or officer any false, misleading or unfounded report, for the purpose of interfering with the operation of a law enforcement agency, or to hinder or obstruct any law enforcement officer in the performance of his duty, shall be guilty of a Class 2 misdemeanor. (From the OP, which I don’t know why we ever left it as it was (a) correct; and (b) quite serviceable). I also posited earlier today that she’s guilty in spirit (if not by the letter of the law) of a continuing criminal conspiracy with Dumbfuck Nifong to deprive the players of their civil rights. Of course, I doubt she stands trial on anything. ---
**Author:** ![Xema](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/9de053/32.png) [@Xema](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Xema)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2007, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-now-finally-chew-the-lying-stripper-a-new-one/399607/108 "2007-04-11T21:28:35Z")
[QUOTE=brickbacon] Well in a sexual assault case, the most compelling evidence **has** to be the accuser’s story. [/QUOTE] How about DNA - can’t that be compelling? > [@](#): > > During the initial period, I don’t think the DA did too badly … He’s now under investigation by the state bar for such things as unethical statements that implied guilt, 3 lineups that violated standard procedures, and a secret agreement to suppress exculpatory DNA evidence. What would he have had to do for you to feel he did badly? > [@](#): > > Most that are lying would not make up such a sensational, more readily falsifiable story, and be willing to identify their attackers. But she had lots of trouble identifying attackers. > [@](#): > > According to many objective people, Durham/Duke has a history of tension between the black and white population there. And a proper response to this is for the DA always to assume there’s a racial component to any incident? > [@](#): > > You have a seemingly convincing victim who, is injured … Turns out there was essentially no evidence of injury. > [@](#): > > It took almost a month before they were arrested and indicted. Right - that’s how long it took for the accuser to make identifications of alleged attackers. > [@](#): > > … let’s not pretend that those 88 professors were trying to hang these kids out to dry just because they resented them or something. Yet much of what they said seems fully consistent with that view. > [@](#): > > What they were doing is using the case a proxy by which they could argue for a cessation of the injustices faced by blacks at Duke and in the Durham area, and that whites be held as equally accountable for their actions. This could explain some, though by no means all, of what they said. And why the rush to condemn their students without evidence - where would be the harm in waiting for facts to emerge? > [@](#): > > Now, obviously, they picked the wrong poster girl, but it does not invalidate their message. It certainly weakens it badly. Engaging in poorly considered screeching diatribes based on no evidence at all and on assumptions contrary to reality is pretty much exactly what those who disagree with you would most like to see. > [@](#): > > Considering that some studies have found that as many as 25% of rape accusations are false… Coupled with your earlier suggestion that those who claim to have been sexually assaulted not face undue scrutiny, this is a formula for real trouble. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2007, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-now-finally-chew-the-lying-stripper-a-new-one/399607/109 "2007-04-11T21:30:13Z")
In **Dinsdale** ’s defense, I used to live in his town and can understand why he might have developed a kneejerk loathing for rich kids. ---
**Author:** ![Huerta88](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/82dd89/32.png) [@Huerta88](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Huerta88)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2007, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-now-finally-chew-the-lying-stripper-a-new-one/399607/110 "2007-04-11T21:31:10Z")
[QUOTE=brickbacon] Calling someone a lying whore, and a cum dumpster says a lot more about you than it does anyone else. [/QUOTE] 1. She lied – uncontestable. 2. She almost certainly had sexual relations for money – the driver testified to dropping her off at two hotels for a one hour period each time in the preceding day. Drunken fratboys may hire a stripper to enliven a party. I have a very hard time imagining a single man inviting a woman up to his hotel for a one hour period to “dance” or strip. If you had a gun to your head and were asked what she did in those two hotel rooms, I would venture all the money I had that you would say “Duh – boned or blew some gross guy for money (or maybe they found a true love connection?).” People who have sexual relations for money are known as prostitutes, or “whores.” If they are also lying, this makes them “lying whores.” 3. She had spooge from four different dudes inside her. That’s where the “cum” part comes in. 4. When four different guys shoot their load in you, you’re kind of full of semen. Like a dumpster is full of trash. And when you don’t (apparently) shower or clean up or even change your underwear after the last client/driver/hobo has taken his sloppy fourths, then you are dirty and gross, like a dumpster is dirty and gross. Hence, you are in some very real sense a “cum dumpster.” Glad to be of help. ---
**Author:** ![Huerta88](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/82dd89/32.png) [@Huerta88](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Huerta88)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2007, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-now-finally-chew-the-lying-stripper-a-new-one/399607/111 "2007-04-11T21:40:29Z")
[QUOTE=Dinsdale] And I admit that I generally have less sympathy for someone to whom something bad happens if they are doing something reckless, careless, illegal, and/or stupid, than I would if the same bad thing happened to someone who was not doing something reckless, etc. [/QUOTE] Ruh roh. Then you’d never even investigate this case, because to be a stripper (and almost certainly a prostitute) is reckless and stupid and possibly illegal. Or to go out drinking when you’re a young woman is reckless and stupid and careless. Or to walk on the street late at night. Or wear provocative clothing. Actually, the fact is there is some truth in all of these statements and it is human nature to say, well if they had been at the Christian Science Reading Room maybe they would not find themselves falsely accused. But in the case of putative sexual assault victims, we are told that it is strictly verboten to ask these awkward “WTF did she think was going to happen if she [insert not actually criminal but ill-advised conduct]?” Surely if that’s the case, you can’t apply a double standard to alleged perpetrators, especially when there is no Constitutional right not to be raped (don’t blame me, I did not write it), but there is a Constitutional right not to be falsely prosecuted. ---
**Author:** ![Una\_Persson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/una_persson/32/346_2.png) [@Una\_Persson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Una_Persson)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2007, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-now-finally-chew-the-lying-stripper-a-new-one/399607/112 "2007-04-11T21:50:54Z")
[QUOTE=brickbacon] …but let’s not pretend that those 88 professors were trying to hang these kids out to dry just because they resented them or something. What they were doing is using the case a proxy by which they could argue for a cessation of the injustices faced by blacks at Duke and in the Durham area, and that whites be held as equally accountable for their actions. Now, obviously, they picked the wrong poster girl, but it does not invalidate their message. They obviously owe the accused an apology, but lets not get crazy. [/QUOTE] Really. So you don’t find this beyond the pale at all? From: [Racist professor at Duke University](http://www.dukenews.duke.edu/mmedia/features/lacrosse_incident/lange_baker.html) \* > [@](#): > > The lacrosse team - 15 of whom have faced misdemeanor charges for drunken misbehavior in the past three years - may well feel they can claim innocence and sport their disgraced jerseys on campus, safe under the cover of silent whiteness. But where is the black woman who their violence and raucous witness injured for life? … Young, white, violent, drunken men among us - implicitly boasted by our athletic directors and administrators - have injured lives. > > … > > There can be no confidence in an administration that believes suspending a lacrosse season and removing pictures of Duke lacrosse players from a web page is a dutifully moral response to abhorrent sexual assault, verbal racial violence, and drunken white male privilege loosed amongst us. > > … > > Still, these women will surely sleep better this evening than the black woman injured at 610 Buchanan Boulevard by the white lacrosse team’s out-of-control violent partying will ever again rest in her life. How many more accusations, slurs, racist remarks, and libelous statements does this one professor have to make before it’s “hang(ing) the kids out to dry?” And he wasn’t alone in his sentiment, as witnessed by video coverage of the sit-ins and minor demonstrations in support of his open letter which I saw at the time he made it. - It’s stunning this guy still has employment. Maybe we all ought to ask ourselves why that is, and what sort of person hires him away from Duke to be a Distinguished University Professor at Vanderbilt University? He sure doesn’t seem like a stellar jewel to have on your staff. ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2007, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-now-finally-chew-the-lying-stripper-a-new-one/399607/113 "2007-04-11T22:12:23Z")
[QUOTE=you with the face] Do you even know what my position was in the aforemention thread? I typed myself hoarse saying the sang dang thing over and over again, but it might have went over your head. It went something [like](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=7309929&postcount=488) Wow, let’s burn me to the stake. [/QUOTE] Again, I fear I have expressed myself poorly. No need to burn you at the stake. Let me see if I can break it down. \*\*Cervaise \*\*posts, in his best schoolmarmish voice, a blanket condemnation of everyone who participated in the LW thread. The points he made that are salient to my question are these: > [@](#): > > But here’s the thing: As far as I’m concerned, everybody who jumped on the bandwagon here is at fault. > \ > > The whole thing disgusts me. All of you. You should be ashamed. To which you respond thusly: > [@](#): > > If you get flamed, I’ll stick up for you till the end. Well said, all around. My question to you is, that since you have offered a blanket endorsement and full support for everything he said (“Well said, all around”,) and you yourself participated in the thread, are you ashamed of yourself? [QUOTE=Dinsdale] It overwhelms you that I know and care little about 3 individuals who were charged with rape several states over from me? The fact that something is widely publicized has relatively little to do with whether or not I develop any interest in it. [/QUOTE] Sorry. I was a bit worked up. My apologies. I do not think that you should be cognizant of the case at all, but, based on your comments, it is clear that you really know nothing about it. So, it is the amount of your ignorance, not that it exists, that is overwhelming. Most of what you suppose is simply wrong, and if you want to familiarize yourself with the particulars, the link I gave you to the Case Narrative would be a food place to start. ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2007, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-now-finally-chew-the-lying-stripper-a-new-one/399607/114 "2007-04-11T22:25:05Z")
[QUOTE=Cartooniverse] **Bricker** ’s post is one I cannot wait to read. I suspect he is pathologically incapable of saying, " I was completely and utterly wrong in defending the actions of Nifong." Still, a man can dream… 🙂 [/QUOTE] I may be being whooshed here, but I do not believe he ever defended Nifong. Quite the contrary. ---
**Author:** ![Troy\_McClure\_SF](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troy_mcclure_sf/32/4150_2.png) [@Troy\_McClure\_SF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Troy_McClure_SF)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2007, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-now-finally-chew-the-lying-stripper-a-new-one/399607/115 "2007-04-11T22:32:24Z")
[QUOTE=Dinsdale] And I admit that I generally have less sympathy for someone to whom something bad happens if they are doing something reckless, careless, illegal, and/or stupid, than I would if the same bad thing happened to someone who was not doing something reckless, etc. [/QUOTE] And what reckless, careless, illegal, stupid things were they doing? Sounds a lot like the above quote from the Duke President, “If they didn’t do it, whatever they did is bad enough.” Bad form, **Dinsdale**. ---
**Author:** ![Malacandra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Malacandra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malacandra)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2007, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-now-finally-chew-the-lying-stripper-a-new-one/399607/116 "2007-04-11T22:35:38Z")
> [@brickbacon](#): > > According to many objective people, Durham/Duke has a history of tension between the black and white population there. And this wouldn’t lead you to lend a little credence to the proposition that the complainant might possibly be more likely than most to be mendacious, spurred on by the impulse to lash out at the hated oppressors? ---
**Author:** ![Huerta88](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/82dd89/32.png) [@Huerta88](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Huerta88)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2007, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-now-finally-chew-the-lying-stripper-a-new-one/399607/117 "2007-04-11T23:18:10Z")
[QUOTE=Dinsdale] It _overwhelms_ you that I know and care little about 3 individuals who were charged with rape several states over from me? The fact that something is widely publicized has relatively little to do with whether or not I develop any interest in it. [/QUOTE] > [@](#): > > I don’t think I ever expressed a strong opinion on this matter one way or the other, and I’m not too terribly interested in researching it now. Would someone “in the know” fill me in on what supposedly happened at the party? or do we know? “I don’t care enough about this case to find out about the facts, but I do care about it enough to drive by and explain to you why it’s not worth caring about it, based upon the facts, which I don’t know but would be willing to have someone else fetch for me, I guess.” See how that strikes people as a bit rude? If the topic doesn’t interest you, your lack of posting in it will be taken as an indication to that effect – no need to drop in to explain why dropping in isn’t worthwhile. > [@](#): > > Is it understood that lacrosse players had sex with the stripper at the party but that the sex was consensual, involved players other than the ones identified, or that no sex took place? What did the stripper lie about - that sex took place, who it was with, whether it was consensual…? > > I guess I’m wavering as to how sympathetic I am for these “blameless good kids.” Yeah, if you didn’t rape someone you shouldn’t have to defend yourself against a charge of rape. But I admit I would have more sympathy for some kid who was working his way through school and was studying in the library or working on the night in question, instead of some rich kid who was boozing it up and banging a whore at a party. Of course this reflects my personal prejudices and not what I desire of our legal system. But I’m curious nonetheless. None of the dramatis personae said that anyone “banged a whore.” The players said no one was banged. Crystal (who is probably a whore in the literal sense, but denied it) said she was banged, not as a whore, but as an innocent college girl set upon by slavering racially-motivated rapists. Why waste our time talking about whether the alleged sex was “consensual” when this has never been a he-said, she-said battle about consent? In short, what motivates you to wander into a thread you admittedly know nothing about and don’t care about, crap on the participants for also participating in the thread, and then blather on about irrelevancies? I guess that’s what people had a problem with. ---
**Author:** ![Huerta88](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/82dd89/32.png) [@Huerta88](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Huerta88)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2007, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-now-finally-chew-the-lying-stripper-a-new-one/399607/118 "2007-04-11T23:27:33Z")
Okay. It’s official. Lying Whore Crystal has been pre-emptively given a free pass from prosecution: > [@](#): > > The accuser will not face any charges, Cooper added. [http://www.cnn.com/2007/LAW/04/11/duke.lacrosse/index.html](http://www.cnn.com/2007/LAW/04/11/duke.lacrosse/index.html) Fuck. Why have a false-reporting statute, if you won’t even apply it here? ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2007, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-now-finally-chew-the-lying-stripper-a-new-one/399607/119 "2007-04-11T23:36:03Z")
[QUOTE=Contrapuntal] Again, I fear I have expressed myself poorly. No need to burn you at the stake. Let me see if I can break it down. \*\*Cervaise \*\*posts, in his best schoolmarmish voice, a blanket condemnation of everyone who participated in the LW thread. The points he made that are salient to my question are these: “But here’s the thing: As far as I’m concerned, everybody who jumped on the bandwagon here is at fault.” [/quote] As my last post to you shows, I did not jump on a bandwagon. In fact, I kept urging everyone to _not_ jump on a bandwagon. So to answer your question, no I’m not embarrassed about anything. ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2007, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-now-finally-chew-the-lying-stripper-a-new-one/399607/120 "2007-04-11T23:37:01Z")
[QUOTE=Huerta88] And, **contra** , I hear you, but I am in no way sanguine that a Durham jury (drawn from the venire that **elected Dumbfuck Nifong** ) would have arrived at the proper verdict or refrained from sending an F-U to the Ofay by sending these guys up the river. No, instead, I will anticipate (without much hope) the televised show trials of LW Crystal and Dumbfuck Mike. [/QUOTE] You may well be right. I was, however, relishing the thought of Joe Cheshire cross-examining Mangum. The weight of the Attorney General’s comments at the press conference pretty much carries whatever impact a resounding “not guilty” would have had. It’s quite a remarkable statement, not only because it declares the defendants to be innocent, and the prosecutor to be liable, but also for the revelation that this case may be responsible for new law in NC, pretty much rendering **Cervaise** ’s priggish scolding irrelevant. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-now-finally-chew-the-lying-stripper-a-new-one/399607.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-now-finally-chew-the-lying-stripper-a-new-one/399607.md?page=7)