# Can we now, finally, chew the lying stripper a new one? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 11, 2007, 5:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-now-finally-chew-the-lying-stripper-a-new-one/399607 "2007-04-11T05:01:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2007, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-now-finally-chew-the-lying-stripper-a-new-one/399607/121 "2007-04-11T23:38:50Z")
[QUOTE=you with the face] As my last post to you shows, I did not jump on a bandwagon. In fact, I kept urging everyone to _not_ jump on a bandwagon. So to answer your question, no I’m not embarrassed about anything. [/QUOTE] You misunderstand the poster you claim to support fully. He is saying that _whoever posted in the thread should be ashamed_. Go ahead. Ask him. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2007, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-now-finally-chew-the-lying-stripper-a-new-one/399607/122 "2007-04-11T23:39:56Z")
[QUOTE=Contrapuntal] \*\*Cervaise \*\*posts, in his best schoolmarmish voice, a blanket condemnation of everyone who participated in the LW thread. [/QUOTE] “Jumping on the bandwagon” != “posting in the thread.” Try reading for comprehension, dickhole. ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2007, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-now-finally-chew-the-lying-stripper-a-new-one/399607/123 "2007-04-11T23:40:56Z")
[QUOTE=Contrapuntal] You misunderstand the poster you claim to support fully. He is saying that _whoever posted in the thread should be ashamed_. Go ahead. Ask him. [/QUOTE] Why don’t you? I think you’re deliberately missing his point just so you can play a lameass gotcha game. ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2007, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-now-finally-chew-the-lying-stripper-a-new-one/399607/124 "2007-04-11T23:44:57Z")
[QUOTE=Cervaise] “Jumping on the bandwagon” != “posting in the thread.” Try reading for comprehension, dickhole. [/QUOTE] **face** , my apologies. **Cervaise** , take your contrived righteous indignation and shove it up your ass. if you don’t like what folks post about in the Pit, stay the fuck out. Or start your own message board, where you can make everyone play nice and lick your ass all day. In case you missed it, the thread you find so inconsequential lasted over a year, and involved a topic that held national interest. You don’t like it? Fuck away off. ---
**Author:** ![buttonjockey308](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bcef8e/32.png) [@buttonjockey308](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/buttonjockey308)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2007, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-now-finally-chew-the-lying-stripper-a-new-one/399607/125 "2007-04-11T23:58:26Z")
I only wonder what would have happened to those guys had they not had the collective resources (i.e. $5million bucks) to get themselves out of this jam. Ooh! I know! They’d be in the joint. Growing up, any 10 of my friends and I couldn’t raise $500k much less $5M if we had been similarly accused. And you wanna talk about someone who won’t just give in and admit they’re wrong, ask the lying whore. That’s what she IS **Brickbacon**. Whether or not she qualifies as a cum dumpster I couldn’t say, but I could look her in the face and call her that, just as easily as I can type it here. She lied, and if we accept the fruit of the poisonous tree theory, she, the accuser is the FIRST responsible party. And what, pray, would you have Weirddave DO about the abject failures of the legal system? Hmm? Put on his yellow tights and velvet cape and fly around righting wrongs? All you can DO is vent on it. Those kids though, will be fine. What happened was an absolute miscarriage of justice, just as many things are that we can do absolutely nothing about. ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2007, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-now-finally-chew-the-lying-stripper-a-new-one/399607/126 "2007-04-12T00:02:45Z")
[QUOTE=Huerta88] Okay. It’s official. Lying Whore Crystal has been pre-emptively given a free pass from prosecution: [http://www.cnn.com/2007/LAW/04/11/duke.lacrosse/index.html](http://www.cnn.com/2007/LAW/04/11/duke.lacrosse/index.html) Fuck. Why have a false-reporting statute, if you won’t even apply it here? [/QUOTE] Howdy, **Huerta**. While we’ve been vehemently on opposite sides of some issues in the past, I’ve very much liked the points you’ve made in this thread. To answer your question, WRAL-TV, the local CBS affiliate and one of the better local news operations I’ve seen anywhere, carried quite a lot of coverage of today’s events, including more of Atty. Gen. Cooper’s statement and comments (I think but am unsure what I quote was included in a press conference; what I saw was rebroadcast purely as an excerpt. Cooper indicated that she may believe, or have convinced herself of the truth of, the lies she’s been telling – not outright saying she’s batshit insane, but implying it. Her family is keeping her hidden away somewhere. I got the impression from the way he worded his comments that he wasn’t convinced he could get a conviction against an insanity and/or coercion (by Nifong) defense, and that she was not what he wanted to go after. His office will make no decision on what to do with regards to prosecuting Nifong until after the State Bar Association completes its investigation on the ethics hearing that Nifong is facing now. This kind of puts Nifong in exactly the sort of bind he probably deserves after all this: stonewall the Bar Association, and he’s likely to get his right to practice law lifted; cooperate with them, and he provides Cooper the evidence needed to prosecute him. Poetic justice! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![SnakesCatLady](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4af34b/32.png) [@SnakesCatLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SnakesCatLady)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2007, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-now-finally-chew-the-lying-stripper-a-new-one/399607/127 "2007-04-12T00:09:35Z")
[QUOTE=Contrapuntal] The weight of the Attorney General’s comments at the press conference pretty much carries whatever impact a resounding “not guilty” would have had. It’s quite a remarkable statement, not only because it declares the defendants to be innocent, and the prosecutor to be liable, but also for the revelation that this case may be responsible for new law in NC, pretty much rendering **Cervaise** ’s priggish scolding irrelevant. [/QUOTE] I think it carries much more impact that a “not guilty” verdict. The mere action of taking the matter to trial says that there are issues to be decided - that there is some credible evidence that a crime occured. On the other hand, completely dropping the charges shows there was no credible evidence, that LWCM is indeed that, and that the DA was a vote-mongering rogue who will probably be selling every thing he owns shortly to pay a hefty judgment. Wonder if Jesse Jackson would be willing to pay for LWCM’s mental health treatment instead of college? ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2007, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-now-finally-chew-the-lying-stripper-a-new-one/399607/128 "2007-04-12T00:12:53Z")
[QUOTE=Polycarp] Cooper indicated that she may believe, or have convinced herself of the truth of, the lies she’s been telling – not outright saying she’s batshit insane, but implying it. Her family is keeping her hidden away somewhere. [/QUOTE] She has a history of mental illness. If, as Cooper said, she wanted to proceed with the prosecution, in the light of everything we know today, she may be mentally unstable. I doubt that a prosecution would serve any purpose. ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2007, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-now-finally-chew-the-lying-stripper-a-new-one/399607/129 "2007-04-12T00:39:30Z")
[QUOTE=brickbacon] Well in a sexual assault case, the most compelling evidence **has** to be the accuser’s story. The implications of not doing that would be disastrous, period. [/quote] Uh, don’t you need some sort of corroboration in the form of phsyical evidence or at least some other witnesses? > [@](#): > > You can’t put children and other victims of sexual assault under undo scrutiny if you intend on maintaining a system where victims feel free to come forward. This is how it has to work. Sure, some honest people will get fucked because of this, but that is he way it has to work. What’s “undo” scrutiny? Doen’t one of those pesky Amendments mention something about an individual having the right to confront his accuser? If I’m accused of a crime, any crime, I want my lawyer to rip those accusations to shreds and then stomp on the pieces. Marc ---
**Author:** ![Huerta88](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/82dd89/32.png) [@Huerta88](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Huerta88)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2007, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-now-finally-chew-the-lying-stripper-a-new-one/399607/130 "2007-04-12T00:58:27Z")
Duke’s Prez.,checks in: [http://www.dukenews.duke.edu/2007/04/rhb\_agdecision.html?SPSID=25937&SPID=2027&DB\_OEM\_ID=4200](http://www.dukenews.duke.edu/2007/04/rhb_agdecision.html?SPSID=25937&SPID=2027&DB_OEM_ID=4200) No mention of his own slurs, nor that a substantial part of the “deep unfairness” inflicted on the players was perpetrated and/or encouraged by dumbass profs. under his nominal supervision, against whom he’s taken no action and whose conduct and statements he has never disowned. ---
**Author:** ![SnakesCatLady](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4af34b/32.png) [@SnakesCatLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SnakesCatLady)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2007, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-now-finally-chew-the-lying-stripper-a-new-one/399607/131 "2007-04-12T01:03:28Z")
"Since we haven’t gone through a normal legal process, we don’t know what really happened. The fact the charges were dropped doesn’t mean nothing happened. It just means information wasn’t collected appropriately enough to go forward.” – Duke biology professor Sheryl Broverman (quote found on Liestoppers) What a bitch. Did you listen to the state DA? The kids were innocent. LWCM has issues. ---
**Author:** ![Huerta88](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/82dd89/32.png) [@Huerta88](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Huerta88)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2007, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-now-finally-chew-the-lying-stripper-a-new-one/399607/132 "2007-04-12T01:10:15Z")
[QUOTE=SnakesCatLady] "Since we haven’t gone through a normal legal process, we don’t know what really happened. The fact the charges were dropped doesn’t mean nothing happened. It just means information wasn’t collected appropriately enough to go forward.” – Duke biology professor Sheryl Broverman (quote found on Liestoppers) What a bitch. Did you listen to the state DA? The kids were innocent. LWCM has issues. [/QUOTE] And if Crystal had never made the charges at all, that would have been **even more damning** because there wouldn’t have been **any investigation at all of whether a rape took place!!!** Where’s the justice? This from the science faculty, too. WTF? ---
**Author:** ![Gentle\_Robot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e495f1/32.png) [@Gentle\_Robot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gentle_Robot)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2007, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-now-finally-chew-the-lying-stripper-a-new-one/399607/133 "2007-04-12T01:53:28Z")
[QUOTE=Airman Doors, USAF] All of the people who prejudged these guys can go to hell. [/QUOTE] This is why I don’t keep up with the news that much. ---
**Author:** ![GingerOfTheNorth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/cdc98d/32.png) [@GingerOfTheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GingerOfTheNorth)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2007, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-now-finally-chew-the-lying-stripper-a-new-one/399607/134 "2007-04-12T01:56:17Z")
[QUOTE=buttonjockey308] And what, pray, would you have Weirddave DO about the abject failures of the legal system? Hmm? Put on his yellow tights and velvet cape and fly around righting wrongs? All you can DO is vent on it. [/QUOTE] You know, I’m going to be looking for you if I come home tomorrow to see Dave wearing tights and a cape. Just so you know. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2007, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-now-finally-chew-the-lying-stripper-a-new-one/399607/135 "2007-04-12T01:56:56Z")
[QUOTE=brickbacon] What they were doing is using the case a proxy by which they could argue for a cessation of the injustices faced by blacks at Duke and in the Durham area, and that whites be held as equally accountable for their actions. [/QUOTE] And that was a daft thing to do, I find it an odd way for \*intellectuals \* to make a point. And it’s a fine “call for cessation of injustice” on general principles, to essentially cry out for a crucifixion _of specific persons_. They did not call just for generic rejections against “white privilege”, they called for reprisals against the specific young men. And about “picking the wrong poster girl”, how come they feel the need to pick one at all? You know what it sounds like? Like they had no compunction about _ **using** Crystal_’s situation to advance their cause. “Never mind Crystal _the person_, the human, the individual with a life, no, we’ll portteay only the reflection of the archetype of The Black, The Female, The Poor.” Same with their choice of “villain” to cast – 3 to 44 young men, persons, human beings with lives, were not to be judged as individuals but as “whitey, privileged and unaccountable”. Anyway if you’re going to look for a proxy case, look for a solid, convincing proxy case, don’t jump on the first one that shows up. Or better yet, forget about proxy cases and proactively work to demand that the institutions of the university and the city get their shit together on “racial justice” issues. Either they were being entirely ineffective at that, or not even trying, if they were reduced to hoping that some atrocity would wake up the community. ---
**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2007, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-now-finally-chew-the-lying-stripper-a-new-one/399607/136 "2007-04-12T02:00:36Z")
[QUOTE=GingerOfTheNorth] You know, I’m going to be looking for you if I come home tomorrow to see Dave wearing tights and a cape. Just so you know. [/QUOTE] Tomorrow is my 40th birthday honey. I’ll dress anyway I like. ---
**Author:** ![athelas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5e9695/32.png) [@athelas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/athelas)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2007, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-now-finally-chew-the-lying-stripper-a-new-one/399607/137 "2007-04-12T02:47:26Z")
[QUOTE=brickbacon] 1. Most women who claim to be raped are telling the truth [/QUOTE] Not necessarily true, especially in a college setting, as shown by the following [link](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statistics) [link](http://www.anandaanswers.com/pages/naaFalse.html): > [@](#): > > In 1994, Dr. Eugene J. Kanin of Purdue University investigated the incidences, in one small urban community, of false rape allegations made to the police between 1978 and 1987. Unlike those in many larger jurisdictions, this police department had the resources to “seriously record and pursue to closure all rape complaints, regardless of their merits”. The falseness of the allegations was not decided by the police, or by Dr. Kanin; they were “… declared false only because the complainant admitted they are false.” The number of false rape allegations in the studied period was 45; this was 41% of the 109 total complaints filed in this period. The figure of 41% forms a lower estimate of the total number of false rape accusations given to the police during this period. > > [snip] > > Dr. Kanin also looked at the police records of two large midwestern state universities and found that, of the 64 rape accusations, 32 (50%) were eventually recanted. Even in the general population, figures of false accusations (in many cases resulting in a wrongful conviction) are astonishingly high: [link](http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,194032,00.html) > [@](#): > > If the foregoing results can be extrapolated, then the rate of false reports is roughly between 20 (if DNA excludes an accused) to 40 percent (if inconclusive DNA is added). The relatively low estimate of 25 to 26 percent is probably accurate, especially since it is supported by other sources. ---
**Author:** ![HubZilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ccd318/32.png) [@HubZilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HubZilla)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2007, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-now-finally-chew-the-lying-stripper-a-new-one/399607/138 "2007-04-12T02:53:11Z")
I wonder what really happened at that party? [ul] [li]Duke guys order stripper from Bunnyhole Escort Service[/li][li]Crystal and her friend appear[/li][li]**Duke guys are upset at seeing an [unattractive black woman](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Crystal_Headshot2_3.jpg)**\*[/li][li]They say some very inappropriate things, possibly calling them niggers[/li][li]They leave[/li][li]The strippers are convinced to come back and dance[/li][li]Argument over money; they leave for good[/li][li]Other stripper calls 911 to say she was called a nigger[/li][li]911 isn’t as responsive as they’d hoped[/li][li]Crystal, still upset, figured “rape” will get their attention[/li][/ul] - This is probably the Duke boys’ biggest mistake. Crude and racist, perhaps… but still not worth what the guys went through. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2007, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-now-finally-chew-the-lying-stripper-a-new-one/399607/139 "2007-04-12T02:55:06Z")
[QUOTE=Weirddave] Tomorrow is my 40th birthday honey. I’ll dress anyway I like. [/QUOTE] Oh dear. **Weirddave** is going to be hitting the board about 1 am - all lit up, post-coital, and mid-life-crisised. I, for one, will plan on playing Civ IV tomorrow night. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2007, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-now-finally-chew-the-lying-stripper-a-new-one/399607/140 "2007-04-12T02:57:54Z")
[QUOTE=brickbacon] 1. Most women who claim to be raped are telling the truth [/QUOTE] Are you advocating using crime statistics as datapoints in determining an accuser’s credibility? [QUOTE=Contrapuntal] She has a history of mental illness. [/QUOTE] She also has a history of making bogus gang rape accusations. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-now-finally-chew-the-lying-stripper-a-new-one/399607.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-now-finally-chew-the-lying-stripper-a-new-one/399607.md?page=8)