# Can we please not do this again (Zimmerman media circus)? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 13, 2014, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-please-not-do-this-again-zimmerman-media-circus/681289 "2014-02-13T23:29:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2014, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-please-not-do-this-again-zimmerman-media-circus/681289/1 "2014-02-13T23:29:29Z")
Guess what: it’s Zimmerman. Again. I’m not even gonna link it. I don’t think it dignifies that. I don’t want more people getting interested in it, I just want to bitch about it. It’s another case of what appears to be a clear-cut case of murder being turned into a he-said-she-said self-defense gambit by Stand Your Ground laws. A white perpetrator, a black victim. Same old story. And of course it’s turning into another big piece of national news. Guys… can we not? Can we not turn this into a thing? The whole Zimmerman/Martin thing was _dumb as all fuck_ the moment Zimmerman got arrested. There’s no fucking point. It’s a murder case. It has some minor significance for a certain state gun law. _So what_? Can we not turn this one into a year-long media circus? Can we not invite every stupid racist douchebag to spout their stupid opinion? Can we not turn it into yet another partisan, divisive, racially charged narrative? Can we just _not_? It was a murder in a city in a southern state. Those happen all the fucking time. Let’s just leave it at that. ---
**Author:** ![Lamar\_Mundane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/85f322/32.png) [@Lamar\_Mundane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamar_Mundane)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2014, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-please-not-do-this-again-zimmerman-media-circus/681289/2 "2014-02-13T23:42:30Z")
This happened a year and a half ago, the guy was charged with murder, and the case is already being deliberated by the jury. I’m pretty sure this isn’t going to turn into a year long debate, unless they let the guy off, which is very unlikely to happen. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2014, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-please-not-do-this-again-zimmerman-media-circus/681289/3 "2014-02-14T00:44:59Z")
Ummmm… This has been decided already, right? Zimmerman walks, or I may have dreamed that. I see boxing in his future. Once. Once will be enough, Like Danny Bonaduce and Donny Osmond. The thing that gets me, is this Jerry Sandusky guy. Can you believe that shit? Who in their right mind would make a habit out of fucking paper towel tubes??? In showers, no less, with innocent kids in the area?? ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2014, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-please-not-do-this-again-zimmerman-media-circus/681289/4 "2014-02-14T00:49:56Z")
So, this thread is about what, exactly? ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2014, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-please-not-do-this-again-zimmerman-media-circus/681289/5 "2014-02-14T01:03:50Z")
Another one of **Budget Player Cadet** ’s recreational outrage rants? No offense dude, but it seems like you’ve been doing these a lot lately. ---
**Author:** ![Robert163](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/4af34b/32.png) [@Robert163](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robert163)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2014, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-please-not-do-this-again-zimmerman-media-circus/681289/6 "2014-02-14T01:08:44Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > Guess what: it’s Zimmerman. Again. > > I’m not even gonna link it. I don’t think it dignifies that. I don’t want more people getting interested in it, I just want to bitch about it. It’s another case of what appears to be a clear-cut case of murder being turned into a he-said-she-said self-defense gambit by Stand Your Ground laws. A white perpetrator, a black victim. Same old story. And of course it’s turning into another big piece of national news. > > Guys… can we not? Can we not turn this into a thing? The whole Zimmerman/Martin thing was _dumb as all fuck_ the moment Zimmerman got arrested. There’s no fucking point. It’s a murder case. It has some minor significance for a certain state gun law. _So what_? Can we not turn this one into a year-long media circus? Can we not invite every stupid racist douchebag to spout their stupid opinion? Can we not turn it into yet another partisan, divisive, racially charged narrative? Can we just _not_? It was a murder in a city in a southern state. Those happen all the fucking time. Let’s just leave it at that. he said she said? i didnt realize a woman was involved int he shooting ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2014, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-please-not-do-this-again-zimmerman-media-circus/681289/7 "2014-02-14T01:10:06Z")
> [@Lamar\_Mundane](#): > > This happened a year and a half ago, the guy was charged with murder, and the case is already being deliberated by the jury. I’m pretty sure this isn’t going to turn into a year long debate, unless they let the guy off, which is very unlikely to happen. Huh. Go figure. It’s just making the rounds in my neck of the woods. Or at least, what used to be my neck of the woods, with which I am connected over social media. > [@bobot](#): > > Ummmm… This has been decided already, right? Zimmerman walks, or I may have dreamed that. I see boxing in his future. Once. Once will be enough, Like Danny Bonaduce and Donny Osmond. > The thing that gets me, is this Jerry Sandusky guy. Can you believe that shit? Who in their right mind would make a habit out of fucking paper towel tubes??? In showers, no less, with innocent kids in the area?? Wrong perp. > [@Smapti](#): > > So, this thread is about what, exactly? About not turning every single fucking Stand Your Ground case into another Zimmerman fiasco. ---
**Author:** ![Ferret\_Herder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e47774/32.png) [@Ferret\_Herder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferret_Herder)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2014, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-please-not-do-this-again-zimmerman-media-circus/681289/8 "2014-02-14T01:14:16Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > Huh. Go figure. It’s just making the rounds in my neck of the woods. Or at least, what used to be my neck of the woods, with which I am connected over social media. Wait, you’re saying someone got killed by someone else somewhere in the US and there may be a debate as to the intent of the killer? Shocked, I am. ---
**Author:** ![Robert163](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/4af34b/32.png) [@Robert163](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robert163)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2014, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-please-not-do-this-again-zimmerman-media-circus/681289/9 "2014-02-14T01:15:16Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > About not turning every single fucking Stand Your Ground case into another Zimmerman fiasco. so if i were to kill one of your loved one with no witnesses and claim they attacked me, you wouldnt object? ---
**Author:** ![Falchion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a88e57/32.png) [@Falchion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Falchion)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2014, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-please-not-do-this-again-zimmerman-media-circus/681289/10 "2014-02-14T01:34:50Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > About not turning every single fucking Stand Your Ground case into another Zimmerman fiasco. Couldn’t we settle for not turning every self-defense case into a stand your ground case, as if these issues are somehow a recent creation? ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2014, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-please-not-do-this-again-zimmerman-media-circus/681289/11 "2014-02-14T01:40:07Z")
I’ve been curious if anyone else noticed this: Zimmerman’s mom was Peruvian, his dad obviously German … okay … a German in Peru maybe settled there in the mid 1940s … okay … am I the only one thinking there’s more to this story? ---
**Author:** ![Robert163](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/4af34b/32.png) [@Robert163](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robert163)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2014, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-please-not-do-this-again-zimmerman-media-circus/681289/12 "2014-02-14T01:43:59Z")
> [@Falchion](#): > > Couldn’t we settle for not turning every self-defense case into a stand your ground case, as if these issues are somehow a recent creation? how is following someone down a dark alley and shooting them self defense? ---
**Author:** ![CaptMurdock](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captmurdock/32/11736_2.png) [@CaptMurdock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaptMurdock)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2014, 6:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-please-not-do-this-again-zimmerman-media-circus/681289/13 "2014-02-14T06:42:16Z")
> [@watchwolf49](#): > > I’ve been curious if anyone else noticed this: Zimmerman’s mom was Peruvian, his dad obviously German … okay … a German in Peru maybe settled there in the mid 1940s … okay … am I the only one thinking there’s more to this story? [Bad German Accent] “Any more speculations from you and it’s Lampshade Time!” [/BGA] 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![PlainJain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/5daacb/32.png) [@PlainJain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PlainJain)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2014, 12:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-please-not-do-this-again-zimmerman-media-circus/681289/14 "2014-02-14T12:44:29Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > Guys… can we not? Can we not turn this into a thing? Doubt it. Someone’s always starting threads about such things… ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2014, 12:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-please-not-do-this-again-zimmerman-media-circus/681289/15 "2014-02-14T12:56:47Z")
> [@watchwolf49](#): > > … Zimmerman’s mom was Peruvian, his dad obviously German … okay … a German in Peru maybe settled there in the mid 1940s … [Peru:](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_Germans#South_America) > [@](#): > > The communities of Oxapampa, Pozuzo, and Villa Rica in the high jungles of the Peruvian Amazon basin were settled in the middle of the 19th century by Austrian and Prussian immigrants. Many of its present day inhabitants speak German[38] In the 18th century, German immigrants settled the areas of Tingo Maria, Tarapoto, Moyobamba, and the Amazonas Department.[39] German immigrants largely settled in Lima, and to a lesser extent Arequipa.[40] Over 180,000 Peruvians are German-descendants.[41] I’m not sure what more you could possibly think there is to the story. ---
**Author:** ![Falchion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a88e57/32.png) [@Falchion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Falchion)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2014, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-please-not-do-this-again-zimmerman-media-circus/681289/16 "2014-02-14T14:11:48Z")
> [@Robert163](#): > > how is following someone down a dark alley and shooting them self defense? Without more information, I’m not sure that it is; I don’t know if you’re trying to invoke a specific example. But how is it “Stand Your Ground”? My complaint is looking at age-old difficulties inherent in self-defense claims and raving about a law that has nothing to do with a particular case as if the law caused the difficulties that have always been there. ---
**Author:** ![Debaser](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/3da27b/32.png) [@Debaser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Debaser)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2014, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-please-not-do-this-again-zimmerman-media-circus/681289/17 "2014-02-14T14:25:43Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Another one of **Budget Player Cadet** ’s recreational outrage rants? No offense dude, but it seems like you’ve been doing these a lot lately. Think of it this way: Every moment **Budget Player Cadet** spends on these lame and predictable RO threads is one less moment that he has to tell us all about his personal life. For those that don’t know, he’s into underage mentally disabled girls, who he takes advantage of and actually posts about on the board. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2014, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-please-not-do-this-again-zimmerman-media-circus/681289/18 "2014-02-14T14:56:51Z")
> [@Robert163](#): > > so if i were to kill one of your loved one with no witnesses and claim they attacked me, you wouldnt object? That’s why we don’t allow people with a connection to a case to be judge or jury. ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2014, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-please-not-do-this-again-zimmerman-media-circus/681289/19 "2014-02-14T18:10:18Z")
> [@Robert163](#): > > so if i were to kill one of your loved one with no witnesses and claim they attacked me, you wouldnt object? I wouldn’t. I hate my loved ones more than just about anyone else on the planet. They are the worst. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2014, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-please-not-do-this-again-zimmerman-media-circus/681289/20 "2014-02-14T19:01:37Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > [Peru:](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_Germans#South_America) > > I’m not sure what more you could possibly think there is to the story. He’s probably plumping for a Nazi-war-criminals-fleeing-to-South-America connection. :rolleyes: [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-please-not-do-this-again-zimmerman-media-circus/681289.md?page=2)