# Can we please not do this again (Zimmerman media circus)? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 13, 2014, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-please-not-do-this-again-zimmerman-media-circus/681289 "2014-02-13T23:29:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2014, 5:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-please-not-do-this-again-zimmerman-media-circus/681289/21 "2014-02-15T05:36:20Z")
> [@Falchion](#): > > Couldn’t we settle for not turning every self-defense case into a stand your ground case…? Couldn’t we settle for not turning every inflammatory news item into a Pit thread? ---
**Author:** ![FightMyIgnorance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/71e660/32.png) [@FightMyIgnorance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FightMyIgnorance)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2014, 8:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-please-not-do-this-again-zimmerman-media-circus/681289/22 "2014-02-15T08:01:31Z")
> [@Debaser](#): > > Think of it this way: Every moment **Budget Player Cadet** spends on these lame and predictable RO threads is one less moment that he has to tell us all about his personal life. > > For those that don’t know, he’s into underage mentally disabled girls, who he takes advantage of and actually posts about on the board. I hate to be that guy, but… cite? ---
**Author:** ![Robert163](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/4af34b/32.png) [@Robert163](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robert163)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2014, 8:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-please-not-do-this-again-zimmerman-media-circus/681289/23 "2014-02-15T08:10:47Z")
> [@Falchion](#): > > Without more information, I’m not sure that it is; I don’t know if you’re trying to invoke a specific example. But how is it “Stand Your Ground”? My complaint is looking at age-old difficulties inherent in self-defense claims and raving about a law that has nothing to do with a particular case as if the law caused the difficulties that have always been there. only two facts are indisputable 1- zimmerman got out of his car and followed him down that alley 2- zimmerman killed trevon martin ---
**Author:** ![guizot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guizot/32/3636_2.png) [@guizot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/guizot)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2014, 8:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-please-not-do-this-again-zimmerman-media-circus/681289/24 "2014-02-15T08:35:57Z")
> [@PlainJain](#): > > Doubt it. Someone’s always starting threads about such things… Right, but if the OP agrees with it, it’s “important.” If he doesn’t, then it’s “a thing.” Can you please see that? ---
**Author:** ![Cinnamon\_Imp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/58956e/32.png) [@Cinnamon\_Imp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cinnamon_Imp)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2014, 10:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-please-not-do-this-again-zimmerman-media-circus/681289/25 "2014-02-15T10:58:08Z")
> [@Robert163](#): > > so if i were to kill one of your loved one with no witnesses and claim they attacked me, you wouldnt object? You could probably get away with it too, using the [“trans-panic”](http://www.bilerico.com/2008/09/banning_the_trans_panic_defense.php) defence ---
**Author:** ![Cinnamon\_Imp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/58956e/32.png) [@Cinnamon\_Imp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cinnamon_Imp)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2014, 10:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-please-not-do-this-again-zimmerman-media-circus/681289/26 "2014-02-15T10:59:30Z")
> [@FightMyIgnorance](#): > > I hate to be that guy, but… cite? One place to start - [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=16442409&postcount=52](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=16442409&postcount=52) ---
**Author:** ![Cinnamon\_Imp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/58956e/32.png) [@Cinnamon\_Imp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cinnamon_Imp)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2014, 11:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-please-not-do-this-again-zimmerman-media-circus/681289/27 "2014-02-15T11:14:34Z")
> [@FightMyIgnorance](#): > > I hate to be that guy, but… cite? > [@Cinnamon\_Imp](#): > > One place to start - [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=16442409&postcount=52](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=16442409&postcount=52) Apologies for triple post, but [here’s the good 'un](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15402043&postcount=44) ---
**Author:** ![enomaj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/59ef9b/32.png) [@enomaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enomaj)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2014, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-please-not-do-this-again-zimmerman-media-circus/681289/28 "2014-02-15T13:31:30Z")
> [@Robert163](#): > > only two facts are indisputable > > 1- zimmerman got out of his car and followed him down that alley > 2- zimmerman killed trevon martin No. 2 is false. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2014, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-please-not-do-this-again-zimmerman-media-circus/681289/29 "2014-02-15T14:00:14Z")
> [@Robert163](#): > > only two facts are indisputable > > 1- zimmerman got out of his car and followed him down that alley > 2- zimmerman killed trevon martin > [@enomaj](#): > > No. 2 is false. [O rly?](http://orlyowl.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/orly.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2014, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-please-not-do-this-again-zimmerman-media-circus/681289/30 "2014-02-15T14:18:24Z")
> [@Robert163](#): > > only two facts are indisputable > > 1- zimmerman got out of his car and followed him down that alley > 2- zimmerman killed trevon martin > [@enomaj](#): > > No. 2 is false. Options: 1: Martin killed himself. 2: Martin isn’t dead (someone should really let him know if it’s this one). 3: Grassy Knoll shooter. Which one are we going for? ---
**Author:** ![Ranger\_Jeff](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ranger_jeff/32/2065_2.png) [@Ranger\_Jeff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ranger_Jeff)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2014, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-please-not-do-this-again-zimmerman-media-circus/681289/31 "2014-02-15T14:37:08Z")
Okay, let me look at the big picture here. BPC was 17 and was in an online relationship with an unhappy living at home 16 year old who he wanted to help/save. Then when he was 18 he was in an IRL sexual relationship with a 48 year old woman and his peers thought it was creepy. And then while he’s still 18 he’s in an IRL sexual relationship with a girl who’s around 15 but developmentally delayed/disabled. And he’s scheduled to leave the continent. I see 2 common things in all these situations: 1) they all involve troubled females and B) they all involve Budget Player Cadet. BPC, do you have the word “Savior” tattooed on your forehead in some sort of special ink that only trouble females can see? Or do you think you’re on some sort of Mission from God to save females in trouble? You can pat yourself on your back as much as you want for your maturity, but you’re repeatedly putting yourself in situations that to most adults just shout out “This will not turn out well.” It’s easy for people in their late 20’s and older to forget what they were like when they were 18-19 or so. Because when you’re 19ish, you know everything. And you’re indestructible. And old people just don’t understand. Except that we old folks have been there. There really isn’t that much that’s new under the sun. Sure, the names of the bands are different, the clothing styles are different, but that’s just superficial. All old folks ( those over 25) really have are more experiences and from that, more ability to put stuff in perspective. So, from my place of experience, I’ll say this: There’s no point in us giving PBC any advice. He’ll do what he’s decided is the right thing to do. Maybe eventually he’ll learn for himself. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2014, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-please-not-do-this-again-zimmerman-media-circus/681289/32 "2014-02-15T14:43:13Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > Options: > > 1: Martin killed himself. > 2: Martin isn’t dead (someone should really let him know if it’s this one). > 3: Grassy Knoll shooter. > > Which one are we going for? #4 Who the fuck is Trevon Martin? ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2014, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-please-not-do-this-again-zimmerman-media-circus/681289/33 "2014-02-15T14:44:44Z")
Oh ferchrissakes. My apologies to Mr. Simmerman. ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2014, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-please-not-do-this-again-zimmerman-media-circus/681289/34 "2014-02-15T15:19:16Z")
Simmer Man, Simmer Man, Does whatever a simmer can. Can he swing, from a thread? No he can’t, he’s too fat. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2014, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-please-not-do-this-again-zimmerman-media-circus/681289/35 "2014-02-15T16:24:36Z")
I’m confused. What is this Trevon Martan/Georg Simmerman media circus the OP is complaining about? When I google it I get stuff about Trayvon Martin and George Zimmerman, but I don’t remember hearing about that on the news or people discussing it here. So what’s his beef? ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2014, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-please-not-do-this-again-zimmerman-media-circus/681289/36 "2014-02-15T17:31:27Z")
I wish we would do “this” again. I am curious how all those folks who rallied behind Zimmerman feel about Dunn. I was chided so harshly for expressing my belief that Zimmerman needed to be punished for having been so wreckless and indifferent to life. But I feel the same way about Dunn and I am totally unapologetic about it. His story is ridiculous and it’s not corroborated by witnesses (including his own fiance) or physical evidence. He is another wannabe Dirty Harry who is praying the jury is just racist enough to let him go free. And if he does go free, I will likely feel pissed off enough to post a Pit thread about it, so that others can see that Florida earns its reputation as a hell-hole quite honestly. We can have eleventy-billion pages devoted to pigeon eggs, but the Straight Dope can’t stomach another thread about a murder trial? I know we’ve got our fair share of whiny crybaby fuck-ups here, but surely we aren’t THAT pathetic. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2014, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-please-not-do-this-again-zimmerman-media-circus/681289/37 "2014-02-15T18:07:51Z")
A thread started for the purpose of NOT keeping something in the spotlight? That makes all kind of sense! ---
**Author:** ![Bruce\_Wayne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bruce\_Wayne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bruce_Wayne)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2014, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-please-not-do-this-again-zimmerman-media-circus/681289/38 "2014-02-15T18:46:39Z")
> [@monstro](#): > > I wish we would do “this” again. I am curious how all those folks who rallied behind Zimmerman feel about Dunn. In principle i agree with SYG laws but I think your gonna be hard pressed to find anyone defending Dunn’s actions. Zimmerman was being assaulted. ---
**Author:** ![gigi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a587f6/32.png) [@gigi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gigi)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2014, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-please-not-do-this-again-zimmerman-media-circus/681289/39 "2014-02-15T18:57:02Z")
> [@Debaser](#): > > For those that don’t know, he’s into underage mentally disabled girls, who he takes advantage of and actually posts about on the board. Yeah, yeah; guys can we not make that into a “thing”? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2014, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-please-not-do-this-again-zimmerman-media-circus/681289/40 "2014-02-15T19:48:23Z")
> [@gigi](#): > > Yeah, yeah; guys can we not make that into a “thing”? Best way to do that is to start a thread about it. Apparently. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-please-not-do-this-again-zimmerman-media-circus/681289.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-please-not-do-this-again-zimmerman-media-circus/681289.md?page=3)