# Can we put the no-troll-claims rule back? **URL:** \ **Category:** About This Message Board\ **Created:** [October 8, 2009, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-put-the-no-troll-claims-rule-back/513122 "2009-10-08T23:24:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2009, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-put-the-no-troll-claims-rule-back/513122/41 "2009-10-10T19:15:41Z")
> [@Polycarp](#): > > At the same time. I believe that there are occasions when public accusations of perceived trollery are appropriate – particularly when it’s a circumstance where the alleged troll may wish to speak in his own defense. Why would you need to? Unless the accusation came from a mod, in which case I would expect it to be carried on via e-mail or PM. That’s part of the objection to using “troll” as an insult. If you actually think he is a troll, the mods should be notified. If not, then “troll” is merely what it has become on the SDMB - “we have tried everything, and you won’t back down and let us have the last word”. No defense against that is either necessary or possible. Your idea of a voluntary cutback in insults is a good one. Unfortunately as impractical as such things often are. Some Dopers aren’t ever going to change. They get too much of a charge out of bullying. (Not that I am never one of those.) But then the same strategy will have to be applied as now - ignore the insults as much as necessary for one’s peace of mind. Maybe poke at them and get them to roar, laugh at the results, and move on. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heffalump_and_roo/32/7691_2.png) [@Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Heffalump_and_Roo)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2009, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-put-the-no-troll-claims-rule-back/513122/42 "2009-10-10T21:40:58Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > The Pit is already full of noise, always full of noise, always has been. I’ve no particular animus against “troll”, though my favorite has always been “jerk”. Having been the fortunate recipient of some of your creative invective, I know you can do better than “jerk”. 😉 > [@Frank](#): > > I’ve just seen entirely too many campaigns to clean up the Pit, or to eliminate the Pit, to which my response has always been, “Stay out of it, then.” If it’s not complaining about one thing, it’s complaining about the other thing, or it’s complaining about another thing. > > I honestly do not understand why those who are terminally offended by the style of the Pit cannot simply stay out of it, just as I generally do with MPSIMS. Well, that I agree with, and I hope the OP is not trying to eliminate the Pit or clean up the Pit (unless he’s volunteering for sweeping duty). I think, though, that the OP’s comment might go along with the thread GFactor has posted in the Pit about what should go there. Too many threads where people are just saying that X is a troll would be pretty boring, so maybe eliminating the word troll would force people to think up more descriptive terms. But I also don’t have anything against the word troll by itself. It’s just sometimes used as a catch-all term. ---
**Author:** ![C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b2d939/32.png) [@C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/C_K_Dexter_Haven)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2009, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-put-the-no-troll-claims-rule-back/513122/43 "2009-10-11T00:17:55Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > That’s part of the objection to using “troll” as an insult. If you actually think he is a troll, the mods should be notified. If not, then “troll” is merely what it has become on the SDMB - “we have tried everything, and you won’t back down and let us have the last word”. No defense against that is either necessary or possible. The mods agree, and that’s why the ban on “troll” accusations was lifted. It’s sort of, there are two accusations of trolling: Troll[sub]1[/sub] is someone who is being so much a nuisance that mods should be notified (via the Report function, li’l ! in red triangle in upper right of post) and that official action may be needed. Troll[sub]2[/sub] is just a word used as an insult (I like **Shodan** ’s “someone trying to have the last word.”) Once, long ago, we didn’t make that troll[sub]1[/sub] and troll[sub]2[/sub] distinction, and so we didn’t want people using an insult that could be viewed as a Warning. Kind of like accusations of spam – that’s an accusation that mods are expected to react to. (Yes, we react faster and more surely if there’s a report.) We’ve now made the distinction (although usually the subscripts are omitted, and it’s obvious) and allow the use of troll[sub]2[/sub] as just another insult. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2009, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-put-the-no-troll-claims-rule-back/513122/44 "2009-10-11T01:51:27Z")
> [@C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](#): > > The mods agree, and that’s why the ban on “troll” accusations was lifted. It’s sort of, there are two accusations of trolling: Troll[sub]1[/sub] is someone who is being so much a nuisance that mods should be notified (via the Report function, li’l ! in red triangle in upper right of post) and that official action may be needed. Troll[sub]2[/sub] is just a word used as an insult (I like **Shodan** ’s “someone trying to have the last word.”) > > Once, long ago, we didn’t make that troll[sub]1[/sub] and troll[sub]2[/sub] distinction, and so we didn’t want people using an insult that could be viewed as a Warning. Kind of like accusations of spam – that’s an accusation that mods are expected to react to. (Yes, we react faster and more surely if there’s a report.) > > We’ve now made the distinction (although usually the subscripts are omitted, and it’s obvious) and allow the use of troll[sub]2[/sub] as just another insult. Thanks for the response. _Chacon a son goute_, I guess. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2009, 12:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-put-the-no-troll-claims-rule-back/513122/45 "2009-10-11T12:55:13Z")
Chacon a son goute =\> Everyone to his/her taste ---
**Author:** ![pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a9a28c/32.png) [@pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pseudotriton_ruber_ruber)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2009, 1:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-put-the-no-troll-claims-rule-back/513122/46 "2009-10-11T13:05:37Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > Chacon a son goute =\> Everyone to his/her taste Merci, **Lib** = \> Thanks, **Lib** ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2009, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-put-the-no-troll-claims-rule-back/513122/47 "2009-10-11T13:08:42Z")
And definitely **not** _vox populi, vox Dei_. 😉 Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![MeanOldLady](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/meanoldlady/32/10737_2.png) [@MeanOldLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MeanOldLady)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2009, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-put-the-no-troll-claims-rule-back/513122/48 "2009-10-11T17:26:29Z")
> [@Lute Skywatcher](#): > > I don’t have the email anymore but IIRC **Lynn** got him for trolling and using his website as a mini-snarkpit. > [@Lynn\_Bodoni](#): > > He was a troll, and he used the SDMB as a place to generate both content and traffic for his own website. That’s why I banned him. We don’t allow people to use this site to generate content and traffic for their own websites, and we ban trolls as soon as we determine that they are trolls. Nobody wants to rehash the Mykeru discussion again, but are we not allowed to reference the goings on of this board on our personal websites or blogs? ---
**Author:** ![C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b2d939/32.png) [@C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/C_K_Dexter_Haven)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2009, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-put-the-no-troll-claims-rule-back/513122/49 "2009-10-11T18:27:01Z")
> [@MeanOldLady](#): > > Nobody wants to rehash the Mykeru discussion again, but are we not allowed to reference the goings on of this board on our personal websites or blogs? Of course, you can put whatever you want on your own websites or blogs. That’s never been even remotely a question. It’s not what you put on your own website, it’s what you put HERE that we care about. You can make reference to your own websites or blogs on the SDMB, **IF** (Please not qualifying IF) you ask permission in advance, and IF that’s not the ONLY reason you’re here. If the only reason you come to the SDMB is to advertise for your own website, blog, commercial enterprise, etc. then NO. That’s basically what **Lynn** got him for. Does that clarify, **MeanOldLady**? And, **Shodan** , I always thought it was _vox populi, vox Dex_ – I think you’re using the ablative imperfect rather than the pluperfect. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2009, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-put-the-no-troll-claims-rule-back/513122/50 "2009-10-11T19:45:26Z")
> [@C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](#): > > And, **Shodan** , I always thought it was _vox populi, vox Dex_ – I think you’re using the ablative imperfect rather than the pluperfect. I sit corrected. 😃 Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2009, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-put-the-no-troll-claims-rule-back/513122/51 "2009-10-11T19:47:46Z")
I agree with ivn1188. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2009, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-put-the-no-troll-claims-rule-back/513122/52 "2009-10-12T14:59:56Z")
> [@pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](#): > > Merci, **Lib** = \> Thanks, **Lib** Creo que eres el creaturo el mas encantadoro de todos que andan por el mundo. ---
**Author:** ![pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a9a28c/32.png) [@pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pseudotriton_ruber_ruber)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2009, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-put-the-no-troll-claims-rule-back/513122/53 "2009-10-12T15:34:26Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > Creo que eres el creaturo el mas encantadoro de todos que andan por el mundo. Sometimes I have no idea what you believe, and this is one of them. ---
**Author:** ![C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b2d939/32.png) [@C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/C_K_Dexter_Haven)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2009, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-put-the-no-troll-claims-rule-back/513122/54 "2009-10-12T18:35:25Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > Creo que eres el creaturo el mas encantadoro de todos que andan por el mundo. Translation: I believe that there is a creature, the more singing of all than the Andes for the world. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2009, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-put-the-no-troll-claims-rule-back/513122/55 "2009-10-12T18:51:32Z")
No, it means “I will not buy this tobacconist…” and you know the rest. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2009, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-put-the-no-troll-claims-rule-back/513122/56 "2009-10-12T18:53:25Z")
“Charming”, **Dex** , not “chanting”. Unless I have been whooshed. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2009, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-put-the-no-troll-claims-rule-back/513122/57 "2009-10-13T03:02:52Z")
[quote=“pseudotriton ruber ruber, regarding “Creo que eres el creaturo el mas encantadoro de todos que andan por el mundo.”, post:53, topic:513122”] Sometimes I have no idea what you believe, and this is one of them. [/QUOTE] “I think you are the most enchanting creature of all who walk upon the earth.” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-put-the-no-troll-claims-rule-back/513122.md?page=2)