# Can we stop calling sex between different identical to human species bestiality?
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-stop-calling-sex-between-different-identical-to-human-species-bestiality/727865
**Category:** Cafe Society
**Created:** [August 14, 2015, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-stop-calling-sex-between-different-identical-to-human-species-bestiality/727865 "2015-08-14T19:55:42Z")
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### Author:  [@grude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/grude)
#### Post date: [August 14, 2015, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-stop-calling-sex-between-different-identical-to-human-species-bestiality/727865/1 "2015-08-14T19:55:42Z")
Yes it was cute the first time, haha Superman boinking Louis is like doing a pig!
There are a bunch of examples from scifi and fantasy.
No, its not, not at all. They might be different species(but even related in some continuities) but they are basically identical and form and intellect. This is so unlike earth bound examples it is stupid to call it such.
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### Author:  [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)
#### Post date: [August 14, 2015, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-stop-calling-sex-between-different-identical-to-human-species-bestiality/727865/2 "2015-08-14T19:57:53Z")
Who says this? Who has called Star Trek’s Spock the result of “bestiality?” Who has said John Carter is practicing bestiality in his love for Dejah Thoris?
You’re the only one I’ve ever heard use the word this way!
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### Author:  [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)
#### Post date: [August 14, 2015, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-stop-calling-sex-between-different-identical-to-human-species-bestiality/727865/3 "2015-08-14T19:59:56Z")
I’m pretty sure he’s also the only person ever to say that Superman was bonking Louis.
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### Author:  [@grude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/grude)
#### Post date: [August 14, 2015, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-stop-calling-sex-between-different-identical-to-human-species-bestiality/727865/4 "2015-08-14T20:01:27Z")
> [@Trinopus](#):
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> Who says this? Who has called Star Trek’s Spock the result of “bestiality?” Who has said John Carter is practicing bestiality in his love for Dejah Thoris?
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> You’re the only one I’ve ever heard use the word this way!
Man of Steel, woman of kleenex for one famous example.
> **[Man of Steel, Woman of Kleenex](http://www.rawbw.com/~svw/superman.html)**
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> An exceedingly amusing story by Larry
> Niven about the Superman's procreative challenges.
I see this in scifi fandom and it seems stupid and juvenile
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### Author:  [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)
#### Post date: [August 14, 2015, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-stop-calling-sex-between-different-identical-to-human-species-bestiality/727865/5 "2015-08-14T20:05:13Z")
Well, that’s _one_ usage within the past half-century.
At this rate, it’ll be everywhere by the 3500s.
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### Author:  [@Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffy_the_Elephant_Shrew)
#### Post date: [August 14, 2015, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-stop-calling-sex-between-different-identical-to-human-species-bestiality/727865/6 "2015-08-14T20:18:29Z")
> [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#):
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> I’m pretty sure he’s also the only person ever to say that Superman was bonking Louis.
Must’ve been that pink kryptonite again.
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### Author:  [@grude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/grude)
#### Post date: [August 14, 2015, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-stop-calling-sex-between-different-identical-to-human-species-bestiality/727865/7 "2015-08-14T20:21:10Z")
Supes was totally banging Lois, they just couldn’t show it due to comics code.
Even granting the kleenex theory, I’m sure they set up something like a block of lead for supes to er finish pointed at.
This is a stupid thing in scifi fandom where someone goes you realize its bestiality right and people go omg you’re right ew.
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### Author:  [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)
#### Post date: [August 14, 2015, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-stop-calling-sex-between-different-identical-to-human-species-bestiality/727865/8 "2015-08-14T20:21:11Z")
It’s called[Rishathra](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rishathra)
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### Author:  [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)
#### Post date: [August 14, 2015, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-stop-calling-sex-between-different-identical-to-human-species-bestiality/727865/9 "2015-08-14T20:33:45Z")
If Superman’s super-ejaculate would blow the top off of Lois’ head because of his super penis muscles, wouldn’t he also knock out the back wall of the bathroom every time he took a leak?
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### Author:  [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)
#### Post date: [August 14, 2015, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-stop-calling-sex-between-different-identical-to-human-species-bestiality/727865/10 "2015-08-14T20:36:33Z")
> [@Miller](#):
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> If Superman’s super-ejaculate would blow the top off of Lois’ head because of his super penis muscles, wouldn’t he also knock out the back wall of the bathroom every time he took a leak?
The Kleenex story mentions that orgasm is an involuntary contraction of the muscles.
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### Author:  [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)
#### Post date: [August 14, 2015, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-stop-calling-sex-between-different-identical-to-human-species-bestiality/727865/11 "2015-08-14T20:44:10Z")
And his super sperm aren’t going to be stopped by brick walls.
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### Author:  [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slow_Moving_Vehicle)
#### Post date: [August 14, 2015, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-stop-calling-sex-between-different-identical-to-human-species-bestiality/727865/12 "2015-08-14T20:44:55Z")
> [@Trinopus](#):
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> Who says this? Who has called Star Trek’s Spock the result of “bestiality?” Who has said John Carter is practicing bestiality in his love for Dejah Thoris?
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> You’re the only one I’ve ever heard use the word this way!
I’ve come across it a few times. It’s the comic book equivalent of “Why do we drive on a parkway but park on a driveway?” Mildly clever the first time you hear it, annoying after the third.
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### Author:  [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)
#### Post date: [August 14, 2015, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-stop-calling-sex-between-different-identical-to-human-species-bestiality/727865/13 "2015-08-14T21:04:50Z")
> [@grude](#):
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> Man of Steel, woman of kleenex for one famous example.
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> [Man of Steel, Woman of Kleenex](http://www.rawbw.com/~svw/superman.html)
A) The word bestiality is never used by Niven.
B) The article was a joke.
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### Author:  [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)
#### Post date: [August 14, 2015, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-stop-calling-sex-between-different-identical-to-human-species-bestiality/727865/14 "2015-08-14T21:12:43Z")
> [@running\_coach](#):
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> The Kleenex story mentions that orgasm is an involuntary contraction of the muscles.
Silver Age Superman could hold his breath indefinitely and stop his heartbeat at will without dying. I have no doubt that he could control his ejaculation in inhuman ways. And, never having had sex with either Wonder Woman, Supergirl, or a Daxamite, he didn’t know what it was like to let himself go during sex and so didn’t know what he was missing with Lois and/or Lana and/or Lori.
Note: [I am not entirely certain he never did Kara](http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/2917/964/1600/thank%207.jpg). She certainly seemed to want to do him at times.
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### Author:  [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)
#### Post date: [August 14, 2015, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-stop-calling-sex-between-different-identical-to-human-species-bestiality/727865/15 "2015-08-14T21:17:42Z")
> [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#):
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> A) The word bestiality is never used by Niven.
No, but the word “sodomy” is:
> [@Larry Niven](#):
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> A mating between Superman and Lois Lane would feel like sodomy-and would be, of course, by church and common law.
Pretty sure he’s not talking about anal, there.
> [@](#):
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> B) The article was a joke.
Thanks for clearing that up. I’m sure a lot of people thought that was published in _Nature_.
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### Author:  [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)
#### Post date: [August 14, 2015, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-stop-calling-sex-between-different-identical-to-human-species-bestiality/727865/16 "2015-08-14T21:17:47Z")
An episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation explained why humans, Vulcans, Klingons, Romulans, and Cardassians can interbreed: All of their home planets were “seeded”, millennia ago, by a more ancient alien race, with the same “seeds”, and those “seeds” evolved on their own under the conditions existing on each planet. So all of those “species” are actually the same species, with cosmetic differences.
Like, um, dogs.
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### Author:  [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)
#### Post date: [August 14, 2015, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-stop-calling-sex-between-different-identical-to-human-species-bestiality/727865/17 "2015-08-14T21:20:45Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#):
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> Silver Age Superman could hold his breath indefinitely and stop his heartbeat at will without dying. I have no doubt that he could control his ejaculation in inhuman ways.
Yeah, but those wet dreams were a bitch.
> [@](#):
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> Note: [I am not entirely certain he never did Kara](http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/2917/964/1600/thank%207.jpg). She certainly seemed to want to do him at times.
Ew!
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### Author:  [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)
#### Post date: [August 14, 2015, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-stop-calling-sex-between-different-identical-to-human-species-bestiality/727865/18 "2015-08-14T22:13:57Z")
> [@Miller](#):
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> No, but the word “sodomy” is:
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> Pretty sure he’s not talking about anal, there.
And yes, “according to church and common law”, as he puts it, the term “sodomy” would become a catch-all for anything penetrative and “unnatural”: anal, oral, same-sex, pegging, bestiality. Our old pre-1974 Penal Code reflected that.
In any case, sex between two fully sapient beings of different species such as Lois and Clark or Carter and Dejah or Kirk and This Week’s Guest Actress would not be “bestiality” insofar as they are both persons, neither is a beast/brute relative to the other. You may call it miscegenation if as in many SF scenarios the beings are so similar that they can crossbreed. Otherwise it’s, I dunno, Xenophilia?
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### Author:  [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)
#### Post date: [August 14, 2015, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-stop-calling-sex-between-different-identical-to-human-species-bestiality/727865/19 "2015-08-14T22:18:27Z")
> [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](#):
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> I’ve come across it a few times. It’s the comic book equivalent of “Why do we drive on a parkway but park on a driveway?” Mildly clever the first time you hear it, annoying after the third.
Heh. Okay. It’s something I’ve never come across (ahem) but I see your point. It would be a “funny once” thing, and not all that helpful.
Anyway, since there aren’t any actual humanoid species other than humans, we can’t know if the definition of the word includes them. It might not: it might specifically exclude sapient species.
John Carter and Dejah Thoris: xenophilia, but not bestiality. John Carter and Woola – not sanctionable by the church.
(What about Tarzan and the intelligent apes? Are they “beasts” or just really hairy “people?”)
(And robots? What about robots? I need to know fast.)
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### Author:  [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)
#### Post date: [August 14, 2015, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-stop-calling-sex-between-different-identical-to-human-species-bestiality/727865/20 "2015-08-14T22:20:38Z")
Doesn’t matter when it’s Arcturian, baby.
> [@Miller](#):
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> If Superman’s super-ejaculate would blow the top off of Lois’ head because of his super penis muscles, wouldn’t he also knock out the back wall of the bathroom every time he took a leak?
I don’t know if I agree with this theory. I’m a lot stronger than my wife, but I don’t smash her through the wall with all my might every time we have sex. And there are plenty of dudes a lot bigger and stronger than me who don’t crush their girlfriends.
I’m more curious as to how Baby Clark Kent didn’t accidently kill the Kents as an infant or toddler. Like how do you stop a baby with super strength from accidently smashing through the wall or crushing your head?
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