# Can we stop calling sex between different identical to human species bestiality? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [August 14, 2015, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-stop-calling-sex-between-different-identical-to-human-species-bestiality/727865 "2015-08-14T19:55:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2015, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-stop-calling-sex-between-different-identical-to-human-species-bestiality/727865/41 "2015-08-15T02:05:55Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > Furries? ---
**Author:** ![Banksiaman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banksiaman/32/3334_2.png) [@Banksiaman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banksiaman)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2015, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-stop-calling-sex-between-different-identical-to-human-species-bestiality/727865/42 "2015-08-15T02:22:54Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > An episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation explained why humans, Vulcans, Klingons, Romulans, and Cardassians can interbreed: All of their home planets were “seeded”, millennia ago, by a more ancient alien race, with the same “seeds”, and those “seeds” evolved on their own under the conditions existing on each planet. So all of those “species” are actually the same species, with cosmetic differences. > > Like, um, dogs. Can someone confirm that Star Trek inter-planetary liaisons produce fertile offspring, or is Spock, for example, the equivalent of a mule and destined never to produce little Spocklettes. This more ancient race wouldn’t be tall albino engineery types? Or am I in danger of producing my own infertile franchise-mule? ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2015, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-stop-calling-sex-between-different-identical-to-human-species-bestiality/727865/43 "2015-08-15T02:30:23Z")
Oh, now I remember what I was going to add: Hobbit sex, for way TMI. ---
**Author:** ![kopek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kopek/32/337_2.png) [@kopek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kopek)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2015, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-stop-calling-sex-between-different-identical-to-human-species-bestiality/727865/44 "2015-08-15T02:31:18Z")
Robot Chicken addressed this: [![]( " - YouTube") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDYVf-tXxdY) ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2015, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-stop-calling-sex-between-different-identical-to-human-species-bestiality/727865/45 "2015-08-15T02:34:44Z")
> [@Banksiaman](#): > > Can someone confirm that Star Trek inter-planetary liaisons produce fertile offspring, or is Spock, for example, the equivalent of a mule and destined never to produce little Spocklettes. Again, this problem would probably be easy to fix with test-tube technology. No doubt all of the surviving data from the Eugenics Wars would come in handy here! 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![MrAtoz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@MrAtoz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrAtoz)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2015, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-stop-calling-sex-between-different-identical-to-human-species-bestiality/727865/46 "2015-08-15T03:01:11Z")
It was brought up in issue #53 of _Swamp Thing_, back when Alan Moore was writing it, when Swamp Thing’s lover Abby was arrested for unnatural acts by the police in Gotham City. Speaking ironically, Batman noted that by the strict letter of the law, they also ought to arrest all of the non-humans who might possibly be having inter-species relationships, including Starfire, Martian Manhunter, Captain Atom, and “What’s-His-Name. You know, the one who lives in Metropolis.” ---
**Author:** ![Sefton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5daacb/32.png) [@Sefton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sefton)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2015, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-stop-calling-sex-between-different-identical-to-human-species-bestiality/727865/47 "2015-08-15T03:08:45Z")
You know what this reminds me of? Someone on this board was furious about the song “Don’t Let the Sun Go Down on Me,” which they claimed was about homosexual seduction. Despite this being preposterous, I always think about that whenever I hear the song. Now, whenever I see Superman/Lois Lane or Doctor Who/companion, I’ll wonder if the pairing constitutes bestiality. Darn you people, darn you to heck! ---
**Author:** ![Peremensoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ce7236/32.png) [@Peremensoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peremensoe)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2015, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-stop-calling-sex-between-different-identical-to-human-species-bestiality/727865/48 "2015-08-15T03:48:18Z")
> [@Banksiaman](#): > > Can someone confirm that Star Trek inter-planetary liaisons produce fertile offspring, or is Spock, for example, the equivalent of a mule and destined never to produce little Spocklettes. At least some interplanetary interbreedings produce fertile offspring. In TNG, for example, Alexander Rozhenko was the naturally-conceived, one-quarter-human son of half-human, half-Klingon K’Ehleyr. In Voyager, Miral Paris was of similar heritage, born to human-Klingon B’Elanna Torres. Again in TNG (“The Drumhead”), Simon Tarses was one-quarter Romulan, through his (unseen) father. In an alternate timeline (“Parallels”), half-human, half-Betazoid Deanna Troi is shown to be fertile with Klingon Worf. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2015, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-stop-calling-sex-between-different-identical-to-human-species-bestiality/727865/49 "2015-08-15T04:11:13Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > The Kleenex story mentions that orgasm is an involuntary contraction of the muscles. In humans it is; how much do we actually know about Kryptonian anatomy beyond that facts that they look exactly like humans on the outside and have all manner of superpowers under a yellow sun. > [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > An episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation explained why humans, Vulcans, Klingons, Romulans, and Cardassians can interbreed: All of their home planets were “seeded”, millennia ago, by a more ancient alien race, with the same “seeds”, and those “seeds” evolved on their own under the conditions existing on each planet. So all of those “species” are actually the same species, with cosmetic differences. > > Like, um, dogs. And Salome Jens playing both the Ancient Humanoid in that episode and the Female Changeling has unintentionally spawned some interesting fan theories. > [@terentii](#): > > What about holograms? They can acquire sentience. :dubious: > > What was Tuvak doing when he “relieved” his _pon farr_ tensions with the hologram of his wife on the holodeck? Eh?.. Well Quark’s holosuites had programs like “Vulcan Love Slave” and some of the promotional material for the show openly referred to holographic brothels (that function only being implied onscreen). On Voyager the Doctor developed sexual attractions to several female characters and ended up married in the last episode. One wonders if that was just a side effect of him acquiring sapience, or did he deliberately program himself to have a heterosexual sexual orientation. > [@Banksiaman](#): > > Can someone confirm that Star Trek inter-planetary liaisons produce fertile offspring, or is Spock, for example, the equivalent of a mule and destined never to produce little Spocklettes. > > This more ancient race wouldn’t be tall albino engineery types? Or am I in danger of producing my own infertile franchise-mule? > [@Peremensoe](#): > > At least some interplanetary interbreedings produce fertile offspring. In TNG, for example, Alexander Rozhenko was the naturally-conceived, one-quarter-human son of half-human, half-Klingon K’Ehleyr. In Voyager, Miral Paris was of similar heritage, born to human-Klingon B’Elanna Torres. Again in TNG (“The Drumhead”), Simon Tarses was one-quarter Romulan, through his (unseen) father. In an alternate timeline (“Parallels”), half-human, half-Betazoid Deanna Troi is shown to be fertile with Klingon Worf. **Star Trek** in general has a bad habit of treating different alien races like different nationalities or ethnic groups as opposed to different species. Actually a lot of sci fi does that. ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2015, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-stop-calling-sex-between-different-identical-to-human-species-bestiality/727865/50 "2015-08-15T15:12:22Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#): > > Well Quark’s holosuites had programs like “Vulcan Love Slave” and some of the promotional material for the show openly referred to holographic brothels (that function only being implied onscreen). My question is: Is having sex with a hologram masturbation? Further: Since sex with a prostitute is essentially masturbation in a vagina, is having sex with a holographic “love slave” masturbation twice over? (This is not, however, meant to imply that neither is pleasurable. It’s just that they’re both … masturbation.) ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2015, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-stop-calling-sex-between-different-identical-to-human-species-bestiality/727865/51 "2015-08-15T15:25:38Z")
If I’ve learned anything from _Star Trek_ it’s that all female aliens have big boobies. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2015, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-stop-calling-sex-between-different-identical-to-human-species-bestiality/727865/52 "2015-08-15T17:29:10Z")
> [@terentii](#): > > My question is: Is having sex with a hologram masturbation? > > Further: Since sex with a prostitute is essentially masturbation in a vagina, is having sex with a holographic “love slave” masturbation twice over? > > (This is not, however, meant to imply that neither is pleasurable. It’s just that they’re both … masturbation.) How is sex with a hooker “essentially masturbation”? ---
**Author:** ![Don\_t\_Panic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/don_t_panic/32/398_2.png) [@Don\_t\_Panic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don_t_Panic)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2015, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-stop-calling-sex-between-different-identical-to-human-species-bestiality/727865/53 "2015-08-15T17:31:03Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > How is sex with a hooker “essentially masturbation”? I think \*\*terentii \*\*may be going to the wrong hookers. ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2015, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-stop-calling-sex-between-different-identical-to-human-species-bestiality/727865/54 "2015-08-15T17:32:31Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > How is sex with a hooker “essentially masturbation”? There is no contact other than physical. Nothing emotional, nothing intellectual, absolutely no committment. The only difference I see between getting off on porn and engaging a hooker is that porn is cheaper and safer. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2015, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-stop-calling-sex-between-different-identical-to-human-species-bestiality/727865/55 "2015-08-15T17:38:33Z")
> [@terentii](#): > > There is no contact other than physical. Nothing emotional, nothing intellectual, absolutely no committment. The only difference I see between getting off on porn and engaging a hooker is that porn is cheaper and safer. Are you speaking from experience, here? ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2015, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-stop-calling-sex-between-different-identical-to-human-species-bestiality/727865/56 "2015-08-15T17:41:05Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Are you speaking from experience, here? I’ve known hookers, if that’s what you mean. To them, you’re strictly a financial transaction. You need this **explained** to you?!? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Shine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr_shine/32/464_2.png) [@Mr\_Shine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr_Shine)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2015, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-stop-calling-sex-between-different-identical-to-human-species-bestiality/727865/57 "2015-08-15T17:41:44Z")
> [@Banksiaman](#): > > Can someone confirm that Star Trek inter-planetary liaisons produce fertile offspring, or is Spock, for example, the equivalent of a mule and destined never to produce little Spocklettes. > > This more ancient race wouldn’t be tall albino engineery types? Or am I in danger of producing my own infertile franchise-mule? In “The Drumhead”, there was a 1/4 Romulan officer, (posing as a 1/4 Vulcan). Nobody seemed to think this was unusual. ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2015, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-stop-calling-sex-between-different-identical-to-human-species-bestiality/727865/58 "2015-08-15T17:42:08Z")
> [@terentii](#): > > There is no contact other than physical. Nothing emotional, nothing intellectual, absolutely no committment. The only difference I see between getting off on porn and engaging a hooker is that porn is cheaper and safer. By that definition hook-ups, one night stands, and many other varieties of sex are also masturbation, including at times sex between married couples. A little too broad to be useful or meaningful. ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2015, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-stop-calling-sex-between-different-identical-to-human-species-bestiality/727865/59 "2015-08-15T17:45:12Z")
> [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#): > > By that definition hook-ups, one night stands, and many other varieties of sex are also masturbation, including at times sex between married couples. If you find such arrangements enjoyable, you’re perfectly free to indulge in them. As I said above, being momentarily pleasurable doesn’t mean its not masturbation. ---
**Author:** ![Don\_t\_Panic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/don_t_panic/32/398_2.png) [@Don\_t\_Panic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don_t_Panic)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2015, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-stop-calling-sex-between-different-identical-to-human-species-bestiality/727865/60 "2015-08-15T17:48:30Z")
> [@grude](#): > > No, its not, not at all. They might be different species(but even related in some continuities) but they are basically identical and form and intellect. This is so unlike earth bound examples it is stupid to call it such. Relax, **grude**. We’re not judging you. No reason to get defensive. We’re all cool with your Ferengi girlfriends. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-stop-calling-sex-between-different-identical-to-human-species-bestiality/727865.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-stop-calling-sex-between-different-identical-to-human-species-bestiality/727865.md?page=4)