# Can we stop calling sex between different identical to human species bestiality? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [August 14, 2015, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-stop-calling-sex-between-different-identical-to-human-species-bestiality/727865 "2015-08-14T19:55:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2015, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-stop-calling-sex-between-different-identical-to-human-species-bestiality/727865/61 "2015-08-15T17:52:20Z")
> [@terentii](#): > > I’ve known hookers, if that’s what you mean. Biblically? I’m just trying to figure out if the appalling attitude you just expressed towards sex workers is your own personal opinion, or if you’re projecting it on other people. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2015, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-stop-calling-sex-between-different-identical-to-human-species-bestiality/727865/62 "2015-08-15T17:52:34Z")
> [@terentii](#): > > There is no contact other than physical. Nothing emotional, nothing intellectual, absolutely no committment. The only difference I see between getting off on porn and engaging a hooker is that porn is cheaper and safer. So what? Sex doesn’t necessarily involve an emotional or “spiritual” connection. Masturbation is the stimulation of one’s own genitals without the aid of a partner, or, loosely, the manual stimulation if another’s genitals without insertion into an orifice. Calling oral, anal, or vaginal intercourse with a hooker masturbation tortures the word into meaninglessness. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2015, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-stop-calling-sex-between-different-identical-to-human-species-bestiality/727865/63 "2015-08-15T17:53:53Z")
And erases the prostitute’s existence as a person. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2015, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-stop-calling-sex-between-different-identical-to-human-species-bestiality/727865/64 "2015-08-15T17:56:09Z")
> [@terentii](#): > > If you find such arrangements enjoyable, you’re perfectly free to indulge in them. As I said above, being momentarily pleasurable doesn’t mean its not masturbation. No, the fact that a partner is involved and that a penis is inserted into a pussy, mouth, or ass means it is not masturbation. Hell, I’ve had unpleasant PIV and oral sex, but it wasn’t masturbation either. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2015, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-stop-calling-sex-between-different-identical-to-human-species-bestiality/727865/65 "2015-08-15T17:58:35Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > And erases the prostitute’s existence as a person. Well, I wouldn’t go that far, but it does devalue her or him. Erasing the hooker as a person would involve, I dunno, vaporizing her or him with a phaser or something. ---
**Author:** ![Don\_t\_Panic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/don_t_panic/32/398_2.png) [@Don\_t\_Panic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don_t_Panic)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2015, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-stop-calling-sex-between-different-identical-to-human-species-bestiality/727865/66 "2015-08-15T17:59:34Z")
Masturbation, as Woody Allen put it, is sex with someone I love. Going to a hooker probably isn’t. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2015, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-stop-calling-sex-between-different-identical-to-human-species-bestiality/727865/67 "2015-08-15T18:33:30Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > Erasing the hooker as a person would involve, I dunno, vaporizing her or him with a phaser or something. Typical **Skald**. Always reaching for the disintegrator, when a simple mind-wipe will serve just as well. ---
**Author:** ![Baker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bb73d2/32.png) [@Baker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baker)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2015, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-stop-calling-sex-between-different-identical-to-human-species-bestiality/727865/68 "2015-08-15T19:04:57Z")
In the book Dies the Fire, by S.M. Stirling, there is an important character named Mike Havel. In one paragraph there is mention of how, when Mike was a kid, he liked Edgar Rice burrough’s Mars books. Then he kind of got turned off as a teen ager because he realized _“that, since Dejah Thoris layed eggs, John Carter had essentially been doing the nasty with a giant bug.”_ Just the character’s viewpoint, not even Stirling’s. ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2015, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-stop-calling-sex-between-different-identical-to-human-species-bestiality/727865/69 "2015-08-15T21:11:52Z")
Thank God someone has finally woken up and addressed this. I always had this feeling something was not quite “right” in the world. You have ripped off the emperors clothes and I say “Bravo”! ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2015, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-stop-calling-sex-between-different-identical-to-human-species-bestiality/727865/70 "2015-08-15T21:49:37Z")
> [@terentii](#): > > My question is: Is having sex with a hologram masturbation? Not if it is sophisticated enough. At Star Trek’s level of AI, the “partner” is indistinguishable from a real person. The Turing Test has been absolutely demolished. > [@](#): > > Further: Since sex with a prostitute is essentially masturbation in a vagina, is having sex with a holographic “love slave” masturbation twice over? This would only be true if the prostitute is doing a rotten job. If the partner is doing it right, then it at least begins to approach a true “act of love.” Having sex with a bored partner is a bit like masturbation, but that’s the partner’s fault. > [@](#): > > (This is not, however, meant to imply that neither is pleasurable. It’s just that they’re both … masturbation.) Sufficiently sophisticated masturbation is indistinguishable from good sex. Insufficiently sophisticated masturbation is still kinda fun. Really simple example: take a deck of cards, or dice, or a computer random-number-generator, and vary your masturbation style randomly. Randomly vary speed, depth of stroke, angle, etc. The point is that you don’t know what is going to happen next. This very coarsely simulates having “someone else” participating in the activity with you. Now upgrade this to a fully-functioning sim body and a totally convincing AI mind. ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2015, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-stop-calling-sex-between-different-identical-to-human-species-bestiality/727865/71 "2015-08-15T22:03:24Z")
> [@terentii](#): > > If you find such arrangements enjoyable, you’re perfectly free to indulge in them. As I said above, being momentarily pleasurable doesn’t mean its not masturbation. No, being with _another person_ means it’s not masturbation. Enjoyment and pleasure is totally irrelevant. ---
**Author:** ![grude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47774/32.png) [@grude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/grude)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2015, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-stop-calling-sex-between-different-identical-to-human-species-bestiality/727865/72 "2015-08-15T22:40:08Z")
> [@Martian Bigfoot](#): > > Relax, **grude**. We’re not judging you. No reason to get defensive. We’re all cool with your Ferengi girlfriends. Ear sex is now possible! What a time to be alive! 😃 Think anyone ever tried to have sex with a horta? “Send a clean up team to deck six with some BBQ sauce!” ---
**Author:** ![TruCelt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/trucelt/32/523_2.png) [@TruCelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TruCelt)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2015, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-stop-calling-sex-between-different-identical-to-human-species-bestiality/727865/73 "2015-08-15T22:43:01Z")
> [@terentii](#): > > My question is: Is having sex with a hologram masturbation? > > Further: Since sex with a prostitute is essentially masturbation in a vagina, is having sex with a holographic “love slave” masturbation twice over? > > (This is not, however, meant to imply that neither is pleasurable. It’s just that they’re both … masturbation.) > [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > How is sex with a hooker “essentially masturbation”? > [@terentii](#): > > There is no contact other than physical. Nothing emotional, nothing intellectual, absolutely no committment. The only difference I see between getting off on porn and engaging a hooker is that porn is cheaper and safer. > [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#): > > No, being with _another person_ means it’s not masturbation. Enjoyment and pleasure is totally irrelevant. I don’t know, I tend to think terentii has a point here. Paying a prostitute for sex is basically treating her like a rented fleshlight or “Real Doll.” I missed the quote, but whoever said above that it reduces her personhood is also correct. That’s exactly what so many of us object to about the sex industry. Obviously, some men develop a business relationship with women to whom they give repeat business, but I doubt that’s the norm. (Zero experience here, but it seems likely.) As to the hologram, it’s on the same level as the “Real Doll,” however you count that. I just wonder, what happens to the mess when you turn off the program? Does it suddenly drop to the floor? Do you have to do a walk of shame to the janitor’s closet before the next person goes in? ---
**Author:** ![grude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47774/32.png) [@grude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/grude)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2015, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-stop-calling-sex-between-different-identical-to-human-species-bestiality/727865/74 "2015-08-15T23:12:34Z")
> [@TruCelt](#): > > As to the hologram, it’s on the same level as the “Real Doll,” however you count that. I just wonder, what happens to the mess when you turn off the program? Does it suddenly drop to the floor? Do you have to do a walk of shame to the janitor’s closet before the next person goes in? > **[Blue Stripe: The Life and Times of a Holodeck Janitor](https://www.somethingawful.com/news/blue-stripe-life-4/)** > [@](#): > > This article is part of the The Blue Stripe Logs series. > > Space… The final frontier. These are the voyages of the starship Enterprise. Its continuing mission, apparently, to reenact old detective novels with your pants off. To seek out new ways to make my life hell. To boldly assume that the janitors can just beam your jizz off the inside of an image reductor grid. ---
**Author:** ![Patch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a183cd/32.png) [@Patch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Patch)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2015, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-stop-calling-sex-between-different-identical-to-human-species-bestiality/727865/75 "2015-08-16T22:12:06Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > If Superman’s super-ejaculate would blow the top off of Lois’ head because of his super penis muscles, wouldn’t he also knock out the back wall of the bathroom every time he took a leak? Just think of the horror that would be Montezuma’s Revenge. ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2015, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-stop-calling-sex-between-different-identical-to-human-species-bestiality/727865/76 "2015-08-16T23:29:43Z")
The Silver Age Superman had superhuman control over his bodily functions, as mentioned above. However, there was an exception: one time Mr. Mxyzptlk pranked Metropolis with magic sneezing powder, which Superman sucked up with his super-breath. He then had to flee far away from Earth because his sneeze was powerful enough to _destroy a solar system_: [![](https://i.imgur.com/3zd79bO.jpg) ](https://i.imgur.com/3zd79bO.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![j666](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de0a6/32.png) [@j666](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/j666)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2015, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-stop-calling-sex-between-different-identical-to-human-species-bestiality/727865/77 "2015-08-16T23:51:04Z")
> [@msmith537](#): > > What about Taylor and Nova from the original Planet of the Apes? It’s good to know that someone else thought that relationship was pretty unhealthy. > [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#): > > [Butthead] Start from this premise: throughout history, sex is PIV, solely for the purpose of forming babby. No; I don’t find that premise remotely likely. > [@Miller](#): > > And erases the prostitute’s existence as a person. I thought the original implication was that the prostitute does not fully value the client as a person, but I could be wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2015, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-stop-calling-sex-between-different-identical-to-human-species-bestiality/727865/78 "2015-08-17T02:23:32Z")
> [@msmith537](#): > > What about Taylor and Nova from the original Planet of the Apes? Sure they are both Homo Sapiens, but the future humans are practically feral. Can they legally give consent? Although I suppose that doesn’t matter in ape court. > [@j666](#): > > It’s good to know that someone else thought that relationship was pretty unhealthy The future humans were sentient enough to devise clothing (since they couldn’t follow the book and have them be naked); and Nova did just barely manage to speak Taylor’s name. I always thought that they weren’t animals but suffered from something like autism. P.S.: Consent from mute feral human female = she doesn’t try to bite your junk off. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2015, 5:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-stop-calling-sex-between-different-identical-to-human-species-bestiality/727865/79 "2015-08-17T05:41:03Z")
What’s the term for having consensual sex with a human who is of legal age…but not of legal competence? It seems like a form of rape. But it gets quirky when the human is of a tribe or clan where none of the members has legal competence as we define it. And they have sex among themselves in pretty much the usual fashion. (Sigh. Probably an alpha male who gets all the females, and a bunch of very frustrated and highly opportunistic mu, nu, and tau males waiting for their chance…) ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2015, 6:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-stop-calling-sex-between-different-identical-to-human-species-bestiality/727865/80 "2015-08-17T06:42:13Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > What’s the term for having consensual sex with a human who is of legal age…but not of legal competence? It seems like a form of rape. Its not a form of rape, it _is_ rape. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-stop-calling-sex-between-different-identical-to-human-species-bestiality/727865.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-stop-calling-sex-between-different-identical-to-human-species-bestiality/727865.md?page=5)