# Can we talk about Bill Cosby? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [November 19, 2014, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-talk-about-bill-cosby/705075 "2014-11-19T15:24:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 30
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2014, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-talk-about-bill-cosby/705075/581 "2014-12-12T15:50:55Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Many of these accusations are from millionaire celebrities with thriving careers. > > And are you seriously saying no woman has ever been drugged and raped? You clearly haven’t met **dalej42** before. Read his posts on this message boards and you could easily believe that any accusation of rape is _prima facie_ evidence that the woman is a gold-digging whore. It’s a disgusting worldview, but he seems to hold it in all seriousness. ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2014, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-talk-about-bill-cosby/705075/582 "2014-12-12T15:51:31Z")
This thread shows that Cosby’s strategy of targeting women that are easy to ignore and belittle was spot on. His actions also support the idea that people who rape do so because of a pathological need to dominate. A man in his position could get all the consensual sex he could ever want. Why wasn’t that enough? Because of his desire to take something from his victims that is not freely given. It sickens me so much I can’t understand how anyone can defend this man. The image of Beverly Johnson staring him dead in the eye and cursing him the hell out is the only the aspect of this sordid tale that gives me satisfaction. Her strength took away his thrill, and he couldn’t take being told about himself. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2014, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-talk-about-bill-cosby/705075/583 "2014-12-12T15:58:17Z")
> [@dalej42](#): > > Nope, has nothing to do with his comedic skills. I’m highly suspicious of 30 year old claims of sexual impropriety against a multi millionaire celebrity, especially with so many holes as these stories have. The “roofied and raped” schtick was popularized in the late 90s or so and most of the time , no drugs are found, just alcohol. The evil male, who slips a drug into a woman’s drink to take advantage of her, might make a good character in a Lifetime movie. However, those movies are fictional. If your mother or sister claimed Bill Cosby had raped them would you believe them? ---
**Author:** ![Anaamika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Anaamika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anaamika)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2014, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-talk-about-bill-cosby/705075/584 "2014-12-12T16:00:48Z")
**even sven** if you’re still around and still reading this thread, can you repost your list of all of the reasons people should not/are not believing the rape allegations? It was an excellent summary. ---
**Author:** ![CGav8r](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/34f0e0/32.png) [@CGav8r](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CGav8r)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2014, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-talk-about-bill-cosby/705075/585 "2014-12-12T16:17:59Z")
> [@dalej42](#): > > First of all, Patton Oswalt’s rants on Bill Cosby are irrelevant. It’s the equivalent of a punk athlete coming onto the field with his hands up or wearing a stupid T shirt. Just whoring for attention. > > These accusers fall into one or more of these 3 categories: > > 1. The obvious one is gold digging for money. I certainly believe Cosby’s claim of extortion by one of the women and I wouldn’t be surprised if there were multiple extortion attempts. When they say it’s not about the money, it IS about the money. > > 2. Revenge. I can believe that Cosby had numerous one night stands over the years. Many men are jerks the next morning after a one nighter. Plus, I’m sure some of the women felt guilty for getting drunk and having sex. Piling on the Bill Cosby bandwagon is an easy way to take down a previously squeaky clean icon. Also, he made it, not only in Hollywood, but as a well respected figure outside of TV. I’m sure there’s jealousy from many of these women who were only able to make it with minor roles in TV movies. > > 3. Publicity. It kinda ties in with the above two points. Going on the news with their stories of being drugged and raped gets their name out there. I’m sure some of these women wouldn’t mind some talk show appearances or paid newspaper or magazine articles. Plus, there’s always a chance that someone might revive a sagging career in Hollywood. > > I don’t believe Cosby is a sexual predator. He’s not the first famous person to bed a lot of women. The Bill Cosby “Himself” comedy show is one of the funniest routines I’ve ever seen. I’ll watch it again this weekend as well as searching out more of Cosby’s comedy work. I was never much of a fan of the Cosby Show, but he’s a great comedian. Don’t forget: 4. They were drugged and raped. They felt powerless to go after a wealthy and famous star, and their support network told them to not pursue it. They’ve carried around this awful event for years until someone finally made it OK to come forward and share their story. ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2014, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-talk-about-bill-cosby/705075/586 "2014-12-12T16:23:36Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > You clearly haven’t met **dalej42** before. Read his posts on this message boards and you could easily believe that any accusation of rape is _prima facie_ evidence that the woman is a gold-digging whore. It’s a disgusting worldview, but he seems to hold it in all seriousness. I don’t think all women who make rape claims are gold diggers. 1. Erica Kinsman, the accuser of Jameis Winston did not start out as a gold digger. Her rape claims were either an attempt to cover up that she was having regular consensual sexual with black men and/or an attempt at revenge on Winston when he wouldn’t leave his girlfriend for Erica. Erica became a gold digger, perhaps influenced by her attorney aunt, when Winston had his great season last year and showed he was a likely high NFL draft pick. 1. Jackie Coakley, from the Virginia/Rolling Stone false rape allegations story isn’t a gold digger. I believe she’s perhaps mentally ill and obsessed by rape stories. 2. With Ray Rice, it’s not a rape case. I do think Janay Palmer decided to marry Ray Rice immediately after the charges were filed to make prosecution difficult and save Ray Rice’s career. A quickie marriage like that was also likely done without a prenuptial agreement. This will allow Janay to make claims on whatever money Ray has left prior to the marriage. ---
**Author:** ![Frylock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ce7236/32.png) [@Frylock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frylock)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2014, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-talk-about-bill-cosby/705075/587 "2014-12-12T16:34:26Z")
> [@monstro](#): > > I didn’t have any doubts about any of the other allegations, but Beverly’s story really should silence all nay-sayers. I… ahem… I will have to admit her story is the _one_ I’d have to pick as false if I had to. The brutal dragging down the stairs doesn’t fit with what Cosby seems to do in these incidents. And is there a drug that will knock you out after two sips in dilution? Iunno… this may be in the “something happened but she’s exaggerating/remembering-wrong category.” ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2014, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-talk-about-bill-cosby/705075/588 "2014-12-12T16:43:27Z")
> [@Frylock](#): > > I… ahem… I will have to admit her story is the _one_ I’d have to pick as false if I had to. The brutal dragging down the stairs doesn’t fit with what Cosby seems to do in these incidents. And is there a drug that will knock you out after two sips in dilution? Iunno… this may be in the “something happened but she’s exaggerating/remembering-wrong category.” She wasn’t knocked out, she felt drugged. As far as the dragging down the stairs, how many other women started yelling and cursing him out? ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2014, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-talk-about-bill-cosby/705075/589 "2014-12-12T16:56:30Z")
> [@Frylock](#): > > I… ahem… I will have to admit her story is the _one_ I’d have to pick as false if I had to. The brutal dragging down the stairs doesn’t fit with what Cosby seems to do in these incidents. And is there a drug that will knock you out after two sips in dilution? Iunno… this may be in the “something happened but she’s exaggerating/remembering-wrong category.” Okay, let’s accept there is some parts of her story that are misstated because of memory issues. Like, maybe she wasn’t dragged all the way down the steps. Maybe she actually walked down some of them and slipped the rest of the way. For instance. Do you doubt he drug her? Because that is the one element of her story that jibes with all the others. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2014, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-talk-about-bill-cosby/705075/591 "2014-12-12T17:11:06Z")
> [@MojoSoDope](#): > > Women will find any reason to play the rape card. Being raped is the most significant one. > [@](#): > > Especially on someone who is famous. Many of the accusers are famous, rich, and have had very successful careers. > [@](#): > > I do doubt he drugged her. I also doubt he dragged her anywhere. He probably told her she wasn’t getting the part and now she is just whining and pointing fingers. Of course. After a very long and very successful modeling career, she is now, at age 62, whining and pointing fingers because she didn’t get a part 40 years ago. > [@](#): > > The charges were dropped back in the day for a reason. What? What charges are you talking about? ---
**Author:** ![Frylock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ce7236/32.png) [@Frylock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frylock)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2014, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-talk-about-bill-cosby/705075/592 "2014-12-12T17:43:47Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > She wasn’t knocked out, she felt drugged. As far as the dragging down the stairs, how many other women started yelling and cursing him out? > [@](#): > > Okay, let’s accept there is some parts of her story that are misstated because of memory issues. Like, maybe she wasn’t dragged all the way down the steps. Maybe she actually walked down some of them and slipped the rest of the way. For instance. Good points. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2014, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-talk-about-bill-cosby/705075/593 "2014-12-12T17:46:32Z")
> [@MojoSoDope](#): > > Women will find any reason to play the rape card. Go fish. ---
**Author:** ![Anaamika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Anaamika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anaamika)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2014, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-talk-about-bill-cosby/705075/594 "2014-12-12T17:48:31Z")
> [@MojoSoDope](#): > > Women will find any reason to play the rape card. This comment is so appalling it kind of makes me want to leave the Dope and never come back. I won’t. I like this place so much. But I keep coming back to this, trying to formulate a response, and I just don’t have the words. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2014, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-talk-about-bill-cosby/705075/595 "2014-12-12T18:00:23Z")
> [@MojoSoDope](#): > > Women will find any reason to play the rape card. Damn it. It’s not like these things are standard issue. You really have to know someone who knows someone. ---
**Author:** ![Leaffan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leaffan/32/299_2.png) [@Leaffan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaffan)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2014, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-talk-about-bill-cosby/705075/596 "2014-12-12T18:10:14Z")
> [@Anaamika](#): > > This comment is so appalling it kind of makes me want to leave the Dope and never come back. > > I won’t. I like this place so much. But I keep coming back to this, trying to formulate a response, and I just don’t have the words. ☹ Heed your own sage advice from a few weeks back: “Maybe I don’t need to correct everything I see wrong on the Internet” ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2014, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-talk-about-bill-cosby/705075/597 "2014-12-12T18:22:01Z")
> [@MojoSoDope](#): > > Women will find any reason to play the rape card. > [@Anaamika](#): > > This comment is so appalling it kind of makes me want to leave the Dope and never come back. Just look at the sign-up date. THe Cosby and Rolling Stone/UVA stories are dragging out a flock of would-be MRA types who are actually Women-Are-Teh-Evil Advocates, in all sorts of forums including this one. And we don’t just ban people for being full of what they’re full of, so we just :rolleyes: and tell them they’re full of it. ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2014, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-talk-about-bill-cosby/705075/598 "2014-12-12T18:25:48Z")
> [@Anaamika](#): > > This comment is so appalling it kind of makes me want to leave the Dope and never come back. > > I won’t. I like this place so much. But I keep coming back to this, trying to formulate a response, and I just don’t have the words. ☹ > [@Leaffan](#): > > Heed your own sage advice from a few weeks back: “Maybe I don’t need to correct everything I see wrong on the Internet” Especially give consideration to the join date. It might be worth debating a long-time Doper. Someone whom you have no idea of who he is or his track record, it wouldn’t be so worthwhile debating with. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2014, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-talk-about-bill-cosby/705075/599 "2014-12-12T19:00:11Z")
> [@Anaamika](#): > > This comment is so appalling it kind of makes me want to leave the Dope and never come back. > > I won’t. I like this place so much. But I keep coming back to this, trying to formulate a response, and I just don’t have the words. ☹ Honestly, if you really analyze board participation, these people make up a tiny minority of Dopers. I consider this one of the sanest places on the internet. Embrace the good. ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2014, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-talk-about-bill-cosby/705075/600 "2014-12-12T19:13:17Z")
You have to consider the source. This guy, **MojoSoDope** , has only made two posts and has already been mod-noted. He’s a seagull. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2014, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-talk-about-bill-cosby/705075/601 "2014-12-12T19:20:29Z")
> [@Frylock](#): > > I… ahem… I will have to admit her story is the _one_ I’d have to pick as false if I had to. The brutal dragging down the stairs doesn’t fit with what Cosby seems to do in these incidents. And is there a drug that will knock you out after two sips in dilution? Iunno… this may be in the “something happened but she’s exaggerating/remembering-wrong category.” Some people say “These stories are too similar to be believable.” So here there are a few differences in the sequences of events and now it’s too dissimilar to be believable. So either a person can never deviate significantly from nor hew too closely too a pattern. Because those things don’t happen in the real world. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-talk-about-bill-cosby/705075.md?page=29) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-talk-about-bill-cosby/705075.md?page=31)