# Can we talk about Bill Cosby?

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-talk-about-bill-cosby/705075>\
**Category:** In My Humble Opinion\
**Created:** [November 19, 2014, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-talk-about-bill-cosby/705075 "2014-11-19T15:24:02Z")\
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**Author:** ![Bouncer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9d8465/32.png) [@Bouncer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bouncer)\
**Post date:** [November 20, 2014, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-talk-about-bill-cosby/705075/141 "2014-11-20T16:56:50Z")

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> [@Si\_Amigo](#):
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> So then that’s settled. Things can be settled out of court for many reasons. One it being cheaper than going to court. Problem is that it shows other people that you are willing to pay. If someone drugged and rapped me I wouldn’t want money, I’d want them in jail.
> 
> But then I never understood the Michael Jackson settlement either. It’s OK to rape my son for two million dollars? WTF?

This. At that point any person who allowed their child near Michael Jackson was basically a pimp looking for a payout. And people did. And yeah, I’d want the full prosecution, perp walk, whole nine yards for someone who had assaulted me.

If I don’t bother with at least filing a police report and go straight for the lawyers and paycheck? I’m pimping myself out via my lawyer. That’s basically all that’s happening.

I take that back, one of them did file a report with Canadian authorities for an assault she said took place in the US… as part of litigation. Charges were never laid and the payout achieved. She then sued Cosby’s lawyer for describing the case as a “shakedown”.

That aside, there seems to be no police reports of this behavior _anywhere_. And I find that terrifically odd. I mean, that’s a hellacious coincidence to rape fifteen people and not one of them bothered to dial 911, go to a magistrate or talk to a cop.

It just seems statistically unlikely to me.

Regards,  
-Bouncer-

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**Author:** ![Calatin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/439d5e/32.png) [@Calatin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Calatin)\
**Post date:** [November 20, 2014, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-talk-about-bill-cosby/705075/142 "2014-11-20T17:04:44Z")

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Another [article](http://gawker.com/the-undoing-of-bill-cosby-1660641408) discussing the accusations and the fall-out.

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**Author:** ![Belowjob2.0](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Belowjob2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Belowjob2.0)\
**Post date:** [November 20, 2014, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-talk-about-bill-cosby/705075/143 "2014-11-20T17:08:52Z")

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> [@kayaker](#):
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> So then, the whole “Fat Albert” thing?

Nah, nah, nah, we’re gonna have a good time! Hey, hey, hey!

Well, somebody had a good time. Not any of these women.

“Let me show you my fat albert.”

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**Author:** ![Sarabellum](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sarabellum/32/3492_2.png) [@Sarabellum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sarabellum)\
**Post date:** [November 20, 2014, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-talk-about-bill-cosby/705075/144 "2014-11-20T17:19:35Z")

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> [@Labrador\_Deceiver](#):
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> This post made me chuckle. Bill Cosby is worth somewhere between a quarter and a half billion dollars.

Don’t underestimate the vast amounts of money that a high-end legal team can burn through. There’s also no way of knowing how many other victims we haven’t heard from because they’ve been paid off.

In my opinion the odds are good that he’s already pinched financially, and will be ruined within a few years - legal problems + no income is a good way to get broke fast, no matter how rich you are.

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**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\
**Post date:** [November 20, 2014, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-talk-about-bill-cosby/705075/145 "2014-11-20T18:04:06Z")

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> [@Bouncer](#):
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> It just seems statistically unlikely to me.
> 
> Regards,  
> -Bouncer-

Statistically what proportion should have filed a police report? Recently in Canada we had celeb Jian Gomeshi involved in a similar scandal. None of the 8 women coming forward had filed a police report, yet they all brought up similar points in his MO (he would always turn around Big Eared Teddy before the assault) So which is more “statistically unlikely”: All these women come up describing similar MOs about a fake assault or that they all didn’t file a police report?

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**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\
**Post date:** [November 20, 2014, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-talk-about-bill-cosby/705075/146 "2014-11-20T18:26:50Z")

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> [@aceplace57](#):
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> Claims made about events 30 to 40 years ago don’t impress me. The time to make these allegations was back then when the alleged crime occurred. Making these allegations now accomplishes nothing. How can Cosby even defended this many years later? Witness that could speak for him are not available. Records of where he was working and where he was on a specific day are long lost.
> 
> Cosby has never been a source of any scandal his entire life. Married to the same woman. No drug allegations. Never staggered out of a bar drunk. The guy earned a PHD in education (1976) while pursing acting. He spent his free time studying instead of staggering out of bars like most celebrities. He created Fat Albert as a positive role model for minority kids. He contributes to many charities.
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> It’s going to take some real evidence and not 30 to 40 year old accusations to convince me that this fine man has a Jekyll/Hyde persona.

I agree. Memories are worthless that long ago. Dont get me wrong, it’s certainly possible that some of this stuff happened, and the large number of reports is unusual, but someone should have come forward in a timely manner.

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**Author:** ![Calatin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/439d5e/32.png) [@Calatin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Calatin)\
**Post date:** [November 20, 2014, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-talk-about-bill-cosby/705075/147 "2014-11-20T18:31:24Z")

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> [@DrDeth](#):
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> I agree. Memories are worthless that long ago. Dont get me wrong, it’s certainly possible that some of this stuff happened, and the large number of reports is unusual, but someone should have come forward in a timely manner.

When they did, they were quickly dismissed and rebuffed by people they trusted. They realized that no good would come from it, and it would probably damage their careers.

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**Author:** ![Macca26](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/13edae/32.png) [@Macca26](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Macca26)\
**Post date:** [November 20, 2014, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-talk-about-bill-cosby/705075/148 "2014-11-20T18:34:54Z")

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Man, it couldn’t possibly be that these women thought it was futile and all going to end in nothing, and that they really didn’t want to strip naked and have their orifices probed by a stranger who thinks they’re lying and wasting his time anyway if that’s how it was going to end up. Then the guy says things like, “Are you sure you weren’t imagining things?” and, “I don’t see any bruises.” It couldn’t possibly be that if it did get out people would call them dirty whores and that they were trying to blackmail poor Mr. Cosby. That their careers might be completely ruined because they dared speak up.

Nahhhh, rape isn’t underreported on a large scale at all. It’s totally surprising that given all that potential life-ruining backlash, most of these women would decide to just try and therapy their way through personally rather than pursue it legally.

:rolleyes:

You know how there’s all these people in the thread doubting the veracity of the womens’ claims? Police are human too, and some think these same things. Hell, some of them think that the women coming to them to report deserved it. And the rape kit sits in the warehouse and never gets examined. Unfounded case. Why bother, sometimes.

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**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\
**Post date:** [November 20, 2014, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-talk-about-bill-cosby/705075/149 "2014-11-20T18:38:46Z")

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> [@Macca26](#):
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> It couldn’t possibly be that if it did get out people would call them dirty whores and that they were trying to blackmail poor Mr. Cosby. That their careers might be completely ruined because they dared speak up.

Are there any known instances of women making credible (if unproven, he-said-she-said) accusations of rape and having their careers ruined as a result?

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**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\
**Post date:** [November 20, 2014, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-talk-about-bill-cosby/705075/150 "2014-11-20T18:41:25Z")

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> [@Anaamika](#):
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> This thread has delved back into the old misogyny and women hating that the Dope is so good for. Already we have decided that the women who speak are whores, the woman who don’t speak are unreliable, that women casually throw around accusations of rape, that 14 different women thought it would be a good idea to do so despite no chance of monetary gain. So. I’m going to say a few things then I’m going to bow out. The level of misogyny on the Dope really depresses me and makes me not want to be here, so I don’t intend to keep reading what upsets me.
> 
> 1. I have no doubt that some women falsely report rape. No doubt at all. However, reporting a rape to the police isn’t exactly a simple process. Here are the steps:  
> a) Report to the police. Tell strangers just like you guys - some who believe, some who doubt you, and some who think you are lying, the intimate details of what happened. Listen to them say “If you \_\_\_, why didn’t you \_\_\_\_?” This also means getting your name on a police file. No, it’s not part of public record. Yes, it does mean your name is forever in their files.  
> b) Get the medical exam. This is obviously intrusive and intimate.  
> c) Hope they catch someone.
> 
> 2. Don’t forget if you were underage drinking or committing some other crime into the bargain your credibility goes down. If you were out in the bars at night your credibility goes down. If you have sex a lot your credibility goes down. If you were voluntarily hanging out with your rapist your credibility goes down.  
> hen there’s what the cops think. Here’s a great article on Slate: “What cops are really thinking when a woman claims she was raped.”  
> [How cops respond to rape: A new study of officers at one police department.](http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2014/11/18/how_cops_respond_to_rape_a_new_study_of_officers_at_one_police_department.html)  
> It’s worthy of a read, but here are some salient points:
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> Small sample but I have no problem believing this is how cops think. It’s just a fact of life.
> 
> 1. Now comments have been raised about women sleeping around to get better positions. First of all, I would like to submit that for all of the nasty comments that are directed to women sleeping their way upwards, I hardly ever hear nastiness about the men that are allowing this. Keep your dick in your pants and this won’t happen.
> 
> All of this stuff being said, let’s think about the women in the allegations. So you are trying to be someone in showbiz. The great Cos pays attention to you, charms you, woos you. Whether you are trying to raise up in the business or not, you may be charmed. You may even go to bed with him. You wake up in the morning and you’ve been raped, you think. You were drugged so you aren’t entirely sure. There is little to no physical evidence. Cosby has the reputation he does and you have the reputation of exactly nobody. You consider going to the cops to report it…but it is going to be a he-said she-said situation and you know everyone is going to believe Cosby. You are humiliated and miserable but the physical wounds, if there are any, will heal.
> 
> It is not remotely a surprise to me that women would elect to gather the shreds of their dignity about them and not bother reporting it. Not even a little bit.
> 
> 1. The last thing I want to say is I laugh at people who think because Cosby has wealth he shouldn’t need to drug women and rape them. Power corrupts, are you so freakin naive? It’s the same thing people say about handsome frat boys - they’re so goodlooking, they can get any girl they want, they would never rape. Of course they would! It is decidedly different to rape a girl, I’m sure, then it is to try and woo her and convince her, and I’m sure there’s a whole ego trip to it.
> 
> Did Cosby rape those women? I’m leaning heavily on the side of yes. I completely believe how hard it is to get anyone to believe you when you say “Bill Cosby raped me”, and how the court of public opinion is leaning towards him. He had the means, he had the access, and he had the power. I just don’t believe 14 separate women decided simultaneously to ruin him, and it’s nothing we haven’t seen before with hundreds of different powerful men.

Bull fucking shit. It’s misogny now to say that perhaps a persons life, liberty and reputation should not be ended soley on the basis of old allegations, with zero, zilch corroborating evidence? Just because they are multiple allegations means absolutely nothing, sans context. I can think of many cases (and not just of rape, but theft, extortion etc) where multiple people (male and female) made allegations and the accused was innocent. Remember the 1980’s satanic abuse scare? There were multiple independent allegation then too. All it turned out were bunk.

In actual historic abuse/assault cases, you often have plethora of evidence. Actual multiple, police complaints, investigations, and on occasion medical and forensic reports, which are used by present prosecutors. You have several independent witnesses.

You often have associates whose exact job it was to buy off, threaten, bully cajole victims and witnesses, or agents and or handlers who made things go away, and records of that. “yeah, I really beat up \<abuser X\> on that, told him to stop that. But I gave the kids family money, think it’s better for them to educate the kid/girl make something of him, rather than drag him/her through the courts and relive that”. (Note he used the exact same logic as you did in your post. Incidentally, it’s well meaning “logic” like that which does most harm to victims.)

None of that is available in the Cosby situation. For all I know it is. For all I know, he is the rape king of Hollywood. But until something more substantial is shown, I am holding off the pitchforks.

By the way, you do realise that just because someone says that the accusers story is wrong, dies not mean that the accuser is lying? A person can have mistaken, but honest beliefs. So can multiple people. See for instance, the Adolph Beck case in England. Or the afore mentioned satanic abuse cases.

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**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\
**Post date:** [November 20, 2014, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-talk-about-bill-cosby/705075/151 "2014-11-20T18:46:10Z")

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> [@AK84](#):
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> Bull fucking shit. It’s misogny now to say that perhaps a persons life, liberty and reputation should not be ended soley on the basis of old allegations, with zero, zilch corroborating evidence?

Who is arguing that Cosby’s life and liberty should be ended? And how do multiple allegations not count as corroborating evidence?

> [@](#):
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> But until something more substantial is shown, I am holding off the pitchforks.

Pitch forks? Saying “at this point, I think it’s more likely that these women are not lying than that Cosby is not lying” is bringing pitch forks?

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**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\
**Post date:** [November 20, 2014, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-talk-about-bill-cosby/705075/152 "2014-11-20T19:01:30Z")

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> [@CarnalK](#):
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> Statistically what proportion should have filed a police report? Recently in Canada we had celeb Jian Gomeshi involved in a similar scandal. None of the 8 women coming forward had filed a police report, yet they all brought up similar points in his MO (he would always turn around Big Eared Teddy before the assault) So which is more “statistically unlikely”: All these women come up describing similar MOs about a fake assault or that they all didn’t file a police report?

:rolleyes:

There is a reason that you don’t record convictions on the basis of “statistical likelihood”. There can be hundred reasons why 8 (or more) women (or for that matter men) would have facially similar stories. You need to go deeper than that. Did they ever meet each other and discuss. Did they speak to the same expert or therapist or journalist (or different ones with similar procedures), and did that person ask them similar question, especially leading questions. Did that interviewer try to interject their own biases, theories and perceptions onto them, especially if they had started with the position that “x did this to y and this was his MO”. Did they or the people they spoke to misinterpret things and get that to color perception?

Again, it’s perfectiy possible that the answer to the above is “No” and the people really all did suffer the same way. But that is deduced by going deeper. Not just looking at superficial similarities.

An excellent book which deals in part with false accusations is Sadakat Kadri’s " [The Trial"](http://www.amazon.com/The-Trial-History-Socrates-Simpson/dp/0375505504). I have recommended it on these boards before and will do again. It deals with many of the question raised here.

ETA: **iiandyiii** , no multiple allegations are not corroborating evidence. Medical reports/examinations, independent witnesses, letters, phone conversations trascripts, those are corroborating evidence.

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**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\
**Post date:** [November 20, 2014, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-talk-about-bill-cosby/705075/153 "2014-11-20T19:08:23Z")

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What bothers me is the most basic defense is not available to Cosby. For example, Cosby raped me three weeks ago on a Friday night at the Hyatt Miami Hotel. The first thing the cops check is Cosby’s schedule. Maybe he was booked at clubs in Atlantic city that week. Or friends can show he was staying at their house in California. He might of been in Europe traveling. All easily checked with modern computer records. The cops have to place Cosby in that hotel and on that date. Thats the most basic starting point to build a rape case.

None of that is possible to check with crimes that occurred decades ago. All that travel information was paper based and long destroyed. That’s why the statue of limitations is in place.

So instead the press puts this guy through a public trial. Anyone that wants attention and maybe a settlement can chime in with their own claims. Knowing it can’t be verified.

I’m not weighing in on the individual charges. I don’t know if any of them are valid or not. Too much time has passed.

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**Author:** ![Kimballkid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b5a626/32.png) [@Kimballkid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimballkid)\
**Post date:** [November 20, 2014, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-talk-about-bill-cosby/705075/154 "2014-11-20T19:13:06Z")

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**Statute** of limitations not [statue](http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a1/Statue_of_Liberty_7.jpg&imgrefurl=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statue_of_Liberty&h=264&w=191&tbnid=aTSwI0IJ0eBL_M:&zoom=1&tbnh=160&tbnw=115&usg=__g0RrvuGSwYfS_dDRwzxnQHcMUBY=&docid=SeBcd-Bjgbt1TM&itg=1&ved=0CFcQyjc&ei=Jj1uVKrtC4WsogTRn4HYCA).

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**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\
**Post date:** [November 20, 2014, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-talk-about-bill-cosby/705075/155 "2014-11-20T19:16:30Z")

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> [@aceplace57](#):
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> Cosby raped me three weeks ago on a Friday night at the Hyatt Miami Hotel.

You need to report this to the cops, dude.

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**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\
**Post date:** [November 20, 2014, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-talk-about-bill-cosby/705075/156 "2014-11-20T19:26:56Z")

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> [@kayaker](#):
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> You need to report this to the cops, dude.

He’s 77 but he’s exceptionally strong and moves so fast. Must be all that jello pudding he eats. 😛

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**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\
**Post date:** [November 20, 2014, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-talk-about-bill-cosby/705075/157 "2014-11-20T19:27:05Z")

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**aceplace57** , you would be surprised at how much information and evidence survives. One of the reasons that Courts have softend their instinctive distrust of historic allegation. For example, maybe he was at a friend wedding and pictures survive of that as well the marriage certificate dates the same day. An old newspaper report (more likely microfilm or scanned nowadays) of a concert. Maybe he was overseas in Brazil on that day and his old passport still has a legible entry stamp.

So it’s doable. Helps to have an army of lawyers. And be a public figure.

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**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\
**Post date:** [November 20, 2014, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-talk-about-bill-cosby/705075/158 "2014-11-20T19:32:50Z")

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> [@clairobscur](#):
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> Why would you be disgusted with yourself? You think you should take for granted that someone is guilty if someone else accuses him? That’s it’s a bad thing to assume innocence until evidences of guilt begins to accumulate?
> 
> Sure, “I doubt your story about being raped” isn’t nice for a real rape victim, but “I doubt your story about not being a rapist” isn’t nice for a really innocent man, either.
> 
> It seems to me it’s perfectly normal, and justified, to doubt an isolated accusation and to become less doubtful when there are 15 of them.

I’m disgusted with myself because in spite of my posting history of giving accused criminals the presumption of innocence until trial, I can’t do that here as my emotional response just overcomes me and I conclude he is a disgusting fuck. As a lawyer, I think I’m supposed to set an example of not accusing people of criminal conduct and guilt absent conviction or holding a DA job. I think I should hold my tongue. But here I am not. I used to be annoyed that Bill Cosby was a non-medical doctor that insisted on being called “Doctor”. Cosby is a disgusting fuck.

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**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\
**Post date:** [November 20, 2014, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-talk-about-bill-cosby/705075/159 "2014-11-20T19:40:24Z")

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> [@AK84](#):
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> **aceplace57** , you would be surprised at how much information and evidence survives. One of the reasons that Courts have softend their instinctive distrust of historic allegation. For example, maybe he was at a friend wedding and pictures survive of that as well the marriage certificate dates the same day. An old newspaper report (more likely microfilm or scanned nowadays) of a concert. Maybe he was overseas in Brazil on that day and his old passport still has a legible entry stamp.
> 
> So it’s doable. Helps to have an army of lawyers. And be a public figure.

But a lot of it doesn’t. Memories of people, who might have seen you this place or that, for example.

And you’re also ignoring the other half of the equation - the accuser’s story. If you accused someone of raping you last week, you would be expected to come up with some pretty comprehensive details, in terms of where, when, and so on. If you did, then the accused could look for an alibi. And if you couldn’t, that would be a pretty big weakness in your story. But if you’re accusing someone of raping you 30 years ago, you can’t and won’t be expected to come up with that type of detail. You’ll just say it was some summer day 30 years ago and no one will expect more. Now what’s the accused person going to do? Document where he was every minute for months of time 30 years ago? It’s completely impossible.

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**Author:** ![joyfool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/df788c/32.png) [@joyfool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joyfool)\
**Post date:** [November 20, 2014, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-we-talk-about-bill-cosby/705075/160 "2014-11-20T19:47:32Z")

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> [@Not\_Carlson](#):
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> I think you very well could be.
> 
> What perplexes me is why you have invested so much thought into being wrong.

You’re new here, aren’t you?

> [@lost4life](#):
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> I know, right! Look at how people are speculating about Tracy Morgan faking his brain injury after a horrible car accident. Who knows why people do such things.

He shoots! He scores!

> [@AK84](#):
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> Bull fucking shit. It’s misogny now to say that perhaps a persons life, liberty and reputation should not be ended soley on the basis of old allegations, with zero, zilch corroborating evidence? Just because they are multiple allegations means absolutely nothing, sans context. I can think of many cases (and not just of rape, but theft, extortion etc) where multiple people (male and female) made allegations and the accused was innocent. Remember the 1980’s satanic abuse scare? There were multiple independent allegation then too. All it turned out were bunk.

The only two things I’m going to say about this, um, astute observation is (1) great analysis, **Ana** , you are totally spot on. And (2), you do realize that all those "multiple independent allegation[s] were from the kids (and their families who all went to the same school together, right? If that’s you’re idea of what’s happening here, with over two dozen women spanning decades, well, I’m not sure what to say but do you have anymore of whatever it is that you’re smoking?

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