# Can you get beef patties at your local pizzeria? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 27, 2015, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-you-get-beef-patties-at-your-local-pizzeria/723649 "2015-06-27T20:05:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![HeXen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@HeXen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HeXen)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2015, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-you-get-beef-patties-at-your-local-pizzeria/723649/41 "2015-06-28T14:55:09Z")
Indiana: \*Customer: “I’d like a jamaican beef patty” _Server: “You want a jahoozie what now?” Customer: “” Server: **stare** blink_stare Server:…“sir, get the hell outa here and take your jahoozie idea’s with you” ---
**Author:** ![Ulf\_the\_Unwashed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Ulf\_the\_Unwashed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ulf_the_Unwashed)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2015, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-you-get-beef-patties-at-your-local-pizzeria/723649/42 "2015-06-28T15:57:14Z")
You can get beef patties in the Caribbean restaurants here in the mid-Hudson valley, also in some of the grocery stores. The food service people at the school where I teach part time sometimes make them for lunch (those are good days). Never known a pizzeria to offer them, though. ---
**Author:** ![Omega\_Glory](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7c8e57/32.png) [@Omega\_Glory](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omega_Glory)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2015, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-you-get-beef-patties-at-your-local-pizzeria/723649/43 "2015-06-28T15:59:32Z")
> [@delphica](#): > > I was very suspicious of them when I first moved to the city – they don’t have them in pizza places in western New York. \*\* But then, I was also confused upon realizing that NYC pizza places don’t have chicken wings\*\*, because every mom and pop pizza place in western New York offers a pizza and wings combo. This has blown my mind. I didn’t realize the pizza/wings combo was a local thing. As \*\*delphica \*\*said, they don’t sell those patties around here. I have had them before, but they weren’t called Jamaican patties. I thought they were a Puerto Rican thing. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2015, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-you-get-beef-patties-at-your-local-pizzeria/723649/44 "2015-06-28T16:08:35Z")
> [@Omega\_Glory](#): > > This has blown my mind. I didn’t realize the pizza/wings combo was a local thing. Around here, I would expect a non-chain pizzeria to sell wings, hot subs, pasta, and salads and breadsticks in addition to pizza. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2015, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-you-get-beef-patties-at-your-local-pizzeria/723649/45 "2015-06-28T16:27:54Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Around here, I would expect a non-chain pizzeria to sell wings, hot subs, pasta, and salads and breadsticks in addition to pizza. Around here, if it’s just a basic ma-and-pop pizza place, you’ll have pizza, a number of pasta dishes, often some fried or broasted chicken (and even fried perch), and usually something like mozzarella sticks, garlic bread, and maybe Italian beef and/or Italian sausage sandwiches. Wings & pizza as a combo is not something I grew up with here. I didn’t even discover hot wings/Buffalo-style wings until college. When we ate pizza, it was pretty much just pizza. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2015, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-you-get-beef-patties-at-your-local-pizzeria/723649/46 "2015-06-28T16:51:00Z")
> [@pulykamell](#): > > Around here, if it’s just a basic ma-and-pop pizza place, you’ll have pizza, a number of pasta dishes, often some fried or broasted chicken (and even fried perch), and usually something like mozzarella sticks, garlic bread, and maybe Italian beef and/or Italian sausage sandwiches. Italian beef is pretty much unheard of in my neck of the woods - around here, the sandwich selection on a pizzeria menu will usually include a Philly cheesesteak, a meatball sub, a sausage sub, an Italian grinder (pepperoni/salami/ham/capicola in various combinations), and a veggie sub. A few pizzerias around here also have burgers, fish & chips, and steamed clams on the menu, but I wouldn’t _expect_ to find any of those if I wandered into a place. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2015, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-you-get-beef-patties-at-your-local-pizzeria/723649/47 "2015-06-28T16:52:52Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Italian beef is pretty much unheard of in my neck of the woods Yeah, that’s pretty much a Chicago thing, and occasionally found where there are Chicago expats that have established their own restaurants. > [@](#): > > A few pizzerias around here also have burgers, fish & chips, and steamed clams on the menu, but I wouldn’t expect to find any of those if I wandered into a place. I actually don’t expect anything but pizza (and pop/soda) at a local pizzeria. I’ve never ordered anything but pizza from the local take-out places, and when I was writing my previous post, I was actually a little surprised that all my local pizza places offered pasta. I thought at least one or two would be pizza-only, but no. ---
**Author:** ![bump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7c8e57/32.png) [@bump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bump)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2015, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-you-get-beef-patties-at-your-local-pizzeria/723649/48 "2015-06-28T16:54:28Z")
Our (Texas) non-chain pizza places shake out into 3 main categories - the mom & pop neighborhood pizza place, which is typically a place that makes most of their money on takeout and delivery pizzas, but has a dining room that does decent business. They usually have salads, pizzas/calzones, a few pasta dishes and sub sandwiches, along with stuff like fried mozzarella sticks, buffalo wings, fried mushrooms, etc… Then there are the more pretentious joints that have the same basic types of menu items, but concentrate on their dine-in service. They’re usually styled as “Italian” restaurants, but are at their core, still red-sauce joints. Think a local version of Romano’s Macaroni Grill. Then finally, there are the places trying to be authentic Italian. Usually the pizzerias serve pizza/calzones and nothing else save maybe salads, and the non-pizza places serve everything but pizza, kind of like Italy (although there are places that do both). ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2015, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-you-get-beef-patties-at-your-local-pizzeria/723649/49 "2015-06-28T17:04:03Z")
Native NYer. Not every pizza shop, and my local favorite doesn’t have them. But lots of them do. However, I don’t ever expect them. ---
**Author:** ![mack](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b19c9b/32.png) [@mack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mack)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2015, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-you-get-beef-patties-at-your-local-pizzeria/723649/50 "2015-06-28T17:32:45Z")
> [@delphica](#): > > I was very suspicious of them when I first moved to the city – they don’t have them in pizza places in western New York. But then, I was also confused upon realizing that NYC pizza places don’t have chicken wings, because every mom and pop pizza place in western New York offers a pizza and wings combo. A bunch of places have wings on the upper east side (Yorkville). Beef patties, too BTW. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Girlfriend](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr.girlfriend/32/193_2.png) [@Dr.Girlfriend](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Girlfriend)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2015, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-you-get-beef-patties-at-your-local-pizzeria/723649/51 "2015-06-28T18:21:26Z")
> [@HeXen](#): > > Indiana: > \*Customer: “I’d like a jamaican beef patty” > _Server: “You want a jahoozie what now?” > Customer: “” > Server: **stare** blink_stare > > Server:…“sir, get the hell outa here and take your jahoozie idea’s with you” This is sadly pretty accurate. All I have around here are chain pizza places. I didn’t know what a Jamaican beef patty was before I opened this thread but now I’d like to try one. ---
**Author:** ![ryan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a8b319/32.png) [@ryan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ryan)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2015, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-you-get-beef-patties-at-your-local-pizzeria/723649/52 "2015-06-28T20:27:30Z")
Until Nov. of last year I lived in NYC and yes, pretty much every non-chain pizzeria had them. So did damn near every deli as well. Then I moved to the Albany area and now, no, no one nearby carries them. I miss em. ---
**Author:** ![Apocalypso](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@Apocalypso](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Apocalypso)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2015, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-you-get-beef-patties-at-your-local-pizzeria/723649/53 "2015-06-29T00:14:18Z")
A few grocery stores sell the Jamaican beef patties in the frozen section. They’re pretty tasty, but I don’t know of any pizza shop in Pittsburgh that sells them. However, there is a Syrian deli that sells “beef pies” that are very similar. It’s a triangular shape rather than a square, but the beef and dough are very close to the Jamaican ones (IIRC, it’s been a long time). ---
**Author:** ![N9IWP](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/n9iwp/32/3154_2.png) [@N9IWP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/N9IWP)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2015, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-you-get-beef-patties-at-your-local-pizzeria/723649/54 "2015-06-29T01:24:47Z")
I voted yes, but should of read the OP. The local pizza place has burgers and other stuff, but you go there for the pizza (or ice cream) Brian ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2015, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-you-get-beef-patties-at-your-local-pizzeria/723649/55 "2015-06-29T02:46:06Z")
> [@pulykamell](#): > > No. I’ve heard of them, being culinarily curious, but never had one. I’m sure you can find one somewhere in Chicago… (As that is something I would totally order.) Dammit! I knew the second part, because I would totally order it, too, and we have similar tastes, but I was depending on you to tell me where I could get one! :mad: Now, why on earth anybody would order take-out pasta or go to a restaurant for pasta is beyond me, but that’s a different thread. IIRC, one from last year. ---
**Author:** ![Wallet](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e99b99/32.png) [@Wallet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wallet)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2015, 10:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-you-get-beef-patties-at-your-local-pizzeria/723649/56 "2015-06-29T10:17:25Z")
> [@Biggirl](#): > > Here in New York you can walk into any (non-chain) pizzeria and order a Jamaican beef patty. Yup, here in (non-gentrified) Brooklyn I don’t know any pizzeria that doesn’t have beef patties. I work in East New York, and there you can get the patty between two slices of coco bread. Weird combo to me (too much bread!), but it’s very popular. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2015, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-you-get-beef-patties-at-your-local-pizzeria/723649/57 "2015-06-29T13:12:47Z")
> [@Biggirl](#): > > [A Jamaican Beef Patty of the type usually sold in New York pizzerias.](https://multiculturalcookingnetwork.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/jamaicanbeefpatty.jpg) > [@dropzone](#): > > That’s not a “patty.” That’s a “pasty.” Except edible. No, it’s an _empanada_, but a square one. We have empanadas, but not Jamaican ones. Do the restaurants buy them frozen or make them from scratch? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2015, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-you-get-beef-patties-at-your-local-pizzeria/723649/58 "2015-06-29T13:17:11Z")
I love Jamaican beef patties, and they’re available but not easy to find (except a fast-food version in 7-11) in the DC area, but I’m not aware of any pizzerias in the area serving them. I wish they would. In fact, I wish every restaurant (or every retail store of any kind) sold Jamaican beef patties. ---
**Author:** ![Spud](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spud/32/347_2.png) [@Spud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spud)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2015, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-you-get-beef-patties-at-your-local-pizzeria/723649/59 "2015-06-29T13:33:25Z")
> [@HeXen](#): > > Indiana: > \*Customer: “I’d like a jamaican beef patty” > _Server: “You want a jahoozie what now?” > Customer: “” > Server: **stare** blink_stare > > Server:…“sir, get the hell outa here and take your jahoozie idea’s with you” That’s not quite fair to paint the whole state with that broad brush. I can get good home made Jamaican Patties (beef, chicken, or veggie) about 5 minutes from my house (and there is a brew pub right next door for an added bonus). There at least used to be a good place also near the Butler campus, but I’m not sure if it is still there or not. That being said… I don’t think any pizza place would carry them and it could be hit or miss if the average server would be familiar with them or not. ---
**Author:** ![yellowjacketcoder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/4bbf92/32.png) [@yellowjacketcoder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yellowjacketcoder)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2015, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-you-get-beef-patties-at-your-local-pizzeria/723649/60 "2015-06-29T15:07:37Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > You don’t go to McDonald’s and ask them to sell you a pizza. Actually, [you can](http://bgr.com/2015/01/22/where-to-get-a-mcpizza/). Just not every McDonald’s. … To the OP, this was such a bizarre option that I really wonder if it was just the one pizzeria doing this. I have never heard of it before, although I have heard of Jamaican Beef Patties before (they’ve gotta be fresh though. Frozen is terrible). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-you-get-beef-patties-at-your-local-pizzeria/723649.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/can-you-get-beef-patties-at-your-local-pizzeria/723649.md?page=4)