Did Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde “meet”?
I’m sure there are other movies where the bad guy and good guy are the same… guy, but never interact. Or see eachother.
Did Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde “meet”?
I’m sure there are other movies where the bad guy and good guy are the same… guy, but never interact. Or see eachother.
Yeah, I almost mentioned Fight Club beacuse although they appear to meet, it’s really impossible by the strict definition of meet, isn’t it?
As my dorky username will attest, I know. But technically, the hero and villain don’t meet face-to-face until ROTJ.
Same way in the original 1973 movie. The Policeman and the Detective burst in, the Jackal fires once and kills the Policeman, then while he’s trying to reload his funky rifle, the Detective runs over to the Policeman’s machine gun and kills him.
If only the Jackal had a way to fire twice w/o reloading… Poor Jackal…
In Lord of the Rings, I would argue that Frodo seeing the Eye in the Mirror and atop Amon Hen is a confrontation between Frodo and Saruman. But even there, I don’t think that’s quite the right comparison. It seems that Sam confronts The Enemy (whatever it is) when he has the vision of the great garden, and rejects it. By this interpretation, most of the Good Guys end up confronting The Enemy, with varying results.
Sauron. But I think you’re right. I may have missed the “great garden” vision on my last reading, but remember it from previous readings. Got a page number on that by chance? Is it right when he steps out from the tower into Mordor-proper?
The movie goes the same way.
I nominate Coppola’s The Conversation and Charade w/Cary Grant also works.
How about the film Angel Heart, with Mickey Roarke (and Robert DeNiro, maybe)?
Charade? Earlier in the movie, Hepburn meets Carson Dyle in his “office” face-to-face. She may not have known he was the villain then, but then in the final scene, Carson Dyle pulls a gun on Audrey Hepburn while Cary Grant points his gun at Dyle. They certainly met in that scene.
The Conversation, however, is the best example I’ve seen so far. Harry Caul doesn’t even speak to them - he just listens in that last scene near the end when they call him.
We Were Soldiers Mel Gibson’s character is playing a game of strategy versus a Vietnamese Colonel(?). The two never meet, but clearly, the battle is one of wits between the two men.
In any movie, if you define the villain as being some character the hero never meets, then yes, there are a lot of movies where the hero never meets the villain.
Or vice versa, like in Goldfinger. In a sense, M is the hero because he’s James Bond’s boss. And M never meets Goldfinger!
OK, fair enough. I guess with Munch’s interpretation of the eye as a periscope, we’ve either got a sub movie type confrontation or “through a gunsight”.
Rumor has it that Aragorn and Sauron will meet and fight, perhaps at the Morannon. No, I don’t trust the scource, but the book ending may not work in the movie: Our heroes are surrounded, then “poof” everything crumbles?
This article seems to indicate Sauron will be more than an eye in ROTK:
http://www.empireonline.co.uk/news/news.asp?4365
Bookwise, many consider Gollum as Frodo’s confrontation with evil.
First of all, I was thinking of Grant as the hero, not Hepburn (though we don’t know each character’s status until the finale). When they have the showdown towards the end, Cary & Walter can barely even see each other (both are hiding behind pillars). Cary gets one shot off but I don’t think it’s unreasonable to say they barely even see each other (they hardly talk to each other either; each talks to and through Audrey but not much to each other directly). This is also true in the subsequent chase and final showdown. Essentially, Cary never meets face-to-face with Walter in the entire movie. He’s even able to kill him without seeing him!
Works for me.
OK, I see now ArchiveGuy. That works for me too, now that I consider Grant the hero.
(I had forgotten about the scene where they make you think Hepburn was the villain. James Coburn was great in that scene).
Well, the ending you described of LotR is almost exactly what happened in The Mummy.
I was going to suggest “Spy Game”! Oh, well.
And I do have a question for Ethilrist-----“The Matrix”? How do you figure? Neo and Trinity and the whole crew meet the Agents all the time. And even if you’re referring to the entire computer system in general (a.k.a. The Matrix) then it’s IMPOSSIBLE for the villian and the hero to meet ANYWAY, because the villian is not a person at ALL!
Whew… sorry about that. It’s just that I am a huge fan of “The Matrix” and I can’t help but get into a discussion about it.
But do you see what I mean?
First one I thought of. Surprised no one else mentioned it.
The bad guys name was Zorg. Him and Bruce Willis always miss each other.