# Canada: Candidate for Parliament tells High School Students: Kill the Gays. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 1, 2008, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canada-candidate-for-parliament-tells-high-school-students-kill-the-gays/466077 "2008-10-01T21:08:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![MEBuckner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mebuckner/32/2896_2.png) [@MEBuckner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MEBuckner)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2008, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canada-candidate-for-parliament-tells-high-school-students-kill-the-gays/466077/21 "2008-10-02T01:53:14Z")
> [@Muffin](#): > > He was previously convicted of assaulting his mother – I wonder what his rationalization for that was? > > Ironic that Sudbury and the surrounding region is known as “Rainbow Country”, and the school where he made his comments is part of the “Rainbow District School Board”. “And he that smiteth his father, or his mother, shall be surely put to death.” – [Exodus 21:15](http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus%2021:15;&version=9;) ---
**Author:** ![Kid\_A\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed8c4c/32.png) [@Kid\_A\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kid_A_1)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2008, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canada-candidate-for-parliament-tells-high-school-students-kill-the-gays/466077/22 "2008-10-02T02:43:40Z")
From his wikipedia page: ```auto Electoral Record Election Division Party Votes % Place Winner 1998 municipal by-election Sudbury regional chair n/a 83 Frank Mazzuca 1999 provincial Sudbury Independent 103 0.28 6/6 Rick Bartolucci, Liberal 2000 municipal Mayor of Greater Sudbury n/a not listed <1 6/6 James K. Gordon 2003 municipal Mayor of Greater Sudbury n/a 42 0.08 14/14 David Courtemanche 2006 federal Sudbury Independent 54 0.11 8/8 Diane Marleau, Liberal 2006 municipal Mayor of Greater Sudbury n/a 76 0.14 7/7 John Rodriguez 2007 provincial Sudbury Independent 124 0.38 6/6 Rick Bartolucci, Liberal ``` I feel fully confident that I could run for any level of government and I’d receive more than 124 votes. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2008, 4:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canada-candidate-for-parliament-tells-high-school-students-kill-the-gays/466077/23 "2008-10-02T04:37:01Z")
Lev 20: 20:9 “_‘If anyone curses his father and mother 18 he must be put to death. He has cursed his father and mother; his blood guilt is on himself. 20:10 If a man commits adultery with his neighbor’s wife, both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death. 20:11 If a man has sexual intercourse with his father’s wife, he has exposed his father’s nakedness. Both of them must be put to death; their blood guilt is on themselves. 20:12 If a man has sexual intercourse with his daughter-in-law, both of them must be put to death. They have committed perversion; their blood guilt is on themselves. 20:13 If a man has sexual intercourse with a male as one has sexual intercourse with a woman, the two of them have committed an abomination. They must be put to death; their blood guilt is on themselves. 20:14 If a man has sexual intercourse with both a woman and her mother, it is lewdness. Both he and they must be burned to death, so there is no lewdness in your midst. 20:15 If a man has sexual intercourse with any animal, he must be put to death, and you must kill the animal. 20:16 If a woman approaches any animal to have sexual intercourse with it, you must kill the woman, and the animal must be put to death; their blood guilt is on themselves. 20:17 “‘If a man has sexual intercourse with his sister, whether the daughter of his father or his mother, so that he sees her nakedness and she sees his nakedness, it is a disgrace. They must be cut off in the sight of the children of their people. He has exposed his sister’s nakedness; he will bear his punishment for iniquity. 20:18 If a man has sexual intercourse with a menstruating woman and uncovers her nakedness, he has laid bare her fountain of blood and she has exposed the fountain of her blood, so both of them must be cut off from the midst of their people_ Yes, by this Gay sex is a sin. So is incest, adultery, and having sex with your own wife during her period. We rarely see idiots suggesting these be made capital crimes. ---
**Author:** ![Sunspace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunspace/32/1250_2.png) [@Sunspace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunspace)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2008, 5:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canada-candidate-for-parliament-tells-high-school-students-kill-the-gays/466077/24 "2008-10-02T05:58:57Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Why stop with the gays? > > **Everybody** must get stoned! 🙂 You’re really running for the Marijuana party, aren’t you? ---
**Author:** ![cards](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ecd19e/32.png) [@cards](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cards)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2008, 12:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canada-candidate-for-parliament-tells-high-school-students-kill-the-gays/466077/25 "2008-10-02T12:55:37Z")
Is this guy actually part of the Canadian wing of the Westboro Baptisit Church? ---
**Author:** ![Malthus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/85f322/32.png) [@Malthus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malthus)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2008, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canada-candidate-for-parliament-tells-high-school-students-kill-the-gays/466077/26 "2008-10-02T14:00:55Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Lev 20: > 20:9 “_‘If anyone curses his father and mother 18 he must be put to death. He has cursed his father and mother; his blood guilt is on himself. 20:10 If a man commits adultery with his neighbor’s wife, both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death. 20:11 If a man has sexual intercourse with his father’s wife, he has exposed his father’s nakedness. Both of them must be put to death; their blood guilt is on themselves. 20:12 If a man has sexual intercourse with his daughter-in-law, both of them must be put to death. They have committed perversion; their blood guilt is on themselves. 20:13 If a man has sexual intercourse with a male as one has sexual intercourse with a woman, the two of them have committed an abomination. They must be put to death; their blood guilt is on themselves. 20:14 If a man has sexual intercourse with both a woman and her mother, it is lewdness. Both he and they must be burned to death, so there is no lewdness in your midst. 20:15 If a man has sexual intercourse with any animal, he must be put to death, and you must kill the animal. 20:16 If a woman approaches any animal to have sexual intercourse with it, you must kill the woman, and the animal must be put to death; their blood guilt is on themselves. > 20:17 “‘If a man has sexual intercourse with his sister, whether the daughter of his father or his mother, so that he sees her nakedness and she sees his nakedness, it is a disgrace. They must be cut off in the sight of the children of their people. He has exposed his sister’s nakedness; he will bear his punishment for iniquity. 20:18 If a man has sexual intercourse with a menstruating woman and uncovers her nakedness, he has laid bare her fountain of blood and she has exposed the fountain of her blood, so both of them must be cut off from the midst of their people_ > > Yes, by this Gay sex is a sin. So is incest, adultery, and having sex with your own wife during her period. We rarely see idiots suggesting these be made capital crimes. On an anthropological note - the “abominations” defined in Leviticus are quite often related to notions of _ritual purity_, based (ultimately) on Iron Age ritual practice and social standards. The mistake modern people make in comming to this text is to assume that they reflect some sort of underlying morality. This is obviously not the case in some instances - the obsession found in Leviticus for “purity” or “ritual cleanliness” is really its own purpose and is only understandable within the context of the Temple cult of the time (the very title “Leviticus” reveals this - it is based on “Levite”, meaning very roughly ‘the Tribe where Priests come from’). Essentially, no-one follows the code established by Leviticus today - it is impossible, given the absence of a centralized Temple cult. Those who follow the “word of God” as established by Leviticus are forced to cherry-pick those aspects of the Code which they find applicable. ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2008, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canada-candidate-for-parliament-tells-high-school-students-kill-the-gays/466077/27 "2008-10-02T14:09:46Z")
> [@Malthus](#): > > He did the public debate equivalent of being that guy at the back of the bus who is obviously insane and who is ranting, punching the air and pissing himself. Everyone knows that something should be done about it; but since he isn’t actually harming anyone at the moment, [Until he pulls out a knife and starts carving up his seatmate and eating him for lunch](http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/international/Bus-39cannibal39-tells-judge-Please.4366103.jp). ---
**Author:** ![Zebra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c0e974/32.png) [@Zebra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zebra)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2008, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canada-candidate-for-parliament-tells-high-school-students-kill-the-gays/466077/28 "2008-10-02T14:20:09Z")
OH Canada! ---
**Author:** ![Malthus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/85f322/32.png) [@Malthus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malthus)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2008, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canada-candidate-for-parliament-tells-high-school-students-kill-the-gays/466077/29 "2008-10-02T14:51:05Z")
> [@Contrapuntal](#): > > [Until he pulls out a knife and starts carving up his seatmate and eating him for lunch](http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/international/Bus-39cannibal39-tells-judge-Please.4366103.jp). Well, that would certainly spice up your average school-hall all-candidates debate, no question. Heck, carve up the right person and it would probably get you a few votes. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2008, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canada-candidate-for-parliament-tells-high-school-students-kill-the-gays/466077/30 "2008-10-02T14:56:48Z")
It could be like one of those fund-raisers where you get to shave the Vice-principal’s head, or hit the Principal with a pie in the face! ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2008, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canada-candidate-for-parliament-tells-high-school-students-kill-the-gays/466077/31 "2008-10-02T15:32:23Z")
First, **Darth Nader** , you are confusing your feelings about persecution of gays with what the _Bible_ states. It really does not matter how you feel about persecution of gays, or how you or other religionists such as Billy Graham or David Popescu might chose to differ in interpretations of _Leviticus 20:13_, for the simple and unassailable fact remains that regardless of how one might chose to interpret _Leviticus 20:13_, \*\*Northern Piper \*\*accurately set out what the Bible states. I challenge you, **Darth Nader** , to provide a reference to a commonly accepted edition of the _Bible_ that does not set out the penalty of death in _Leviticus 20:13_. You will, of course, admit that the _King James Version, English Standard Version, American Standard Version, New American Standard Bible, New Living Translation, and New International Version_ all use the phrase: ". . . put to death . . . .” Second, you falsely assume that \*\*Northern Piper \*\*agrees with what is stated in _Leviticus 20:13_. Perhaps you missed reading his [opening post](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10265057&postcount=1)in this thread “ There are no words ☹ .” You jumped to an erroneous conclusion and denigrated **Northern Piper** without cause. You owe **Northern Piper** a retraction and an apology. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2008, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canada-candidate-for-parliament-tells-high-school-students-kill-the-gays/466077/32 "2008-10-02T15:54:27Z")
I’ll be interested to see if he is charged with promoting genocide or hatred, and if the latter, if he can fall on the _Bible_ as his statutory defence, or make a Hail Mary assertion that Parliamentary privilege should extend to statements made by a candidate in a formal political debate who otherwise is neither a Parlimentarian nor speaking in Parliament. [Criminal Code of Canada, s. 318 and 319](http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/ShowFullDoc/cs/C-46//20081002/en?command=home&caller=SI&search_type=all&shorttitle=criminal%20code&day=2&month=10&year=2008&search_domain=cs&showall=L&statuteyear=all&lengthannual=50&length=50) (and yes, gays are condsidered to be an identifiable group in Canada): > [@](#): > > _ **Advocating genocide** _ > > 1. (1) Every one who advocates or promotes genocide is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding five years. > Definition of “genocide” > > (2) In this section, “genocide” means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy in whole or in part any identifiable group, namely, > (a) killing members of the group; or > (b) deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction. > > . . . . > > _ **Public incitement of hatred** _ > > 1. (1) Every one who, by communicating statements in any public place, incites hatred against any identifiable group where such incitement is likely to lead to a breach of the peace is guilty of > (a) an indictable offence and is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years; or > (b) an offence punishable on summary conviction. > > _ **Wilful promotion of hatred** _ > > (2) Every one who, by communicating statements, other than in private conversation, wilfully promotes hatred against any identifiable group is guilty of > (a) an indictable offence and is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years; or > (b) an offence punishable on summary conviction. > \*\* > _Defences_\*\* > > (3) No person shall be convicted of an offence under subsection (2) > (a) if he establishes that the statements communicated were true; > (b) if, in good faith, the person expressed or attempted to establish by an argument an opinion on a religious subject or an opinion based on a belief in a religious text; > (c) if the statements were relevant to any subject of public interest, the discussion of which was for the public benefit, and if on reasonable grounds he believed them to be true; or > (d) if, in good faith, he intended to point out, for the purpose of removal, matters producing or tending to produce feelings of hatred toward an identifiable group in Canada. > > . . . . ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2008, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canada-candidate-for-parliament-tells-high-school-students-kill-the-gays/466077/33 "2008-10-02T15:57:11Z")
> [@Kid\_A](#): > > From his wikipedia page: > > ```auto > > Electoral Record > Election Division Party Votes % Place Winner > 1998 municipal by-election Sudbury regional chair n/a 83 Frank Mazzuca > 1999 provincial Sudbury Independent 103 0.28 6/6 Rick Bartolucci, Liberal > 2000 municipal Mayor of Greater Sudbury n/a not listed <1 6/6 James K. Gordon > 2003 municipal Mayor of Greater Sudbury n/a 42 0.08 14/14 David Courtemanche > 2006 federal Sudbury Independent 54 0.11 8/8 Diane Marleau, Liberal > 2006 municipal Mayor of Greater Sudbury n/a 76 0.14 7/7 John Rodriguez > 2007 provincial Sudbury Independent 124 0.38 6/6 Rick Bartolucci, Liberal > > ``` > > I feel fully confident that I could run for any level of government and I’d receive more than 124 votes. I don’t know whether to be pleased that he finished dead last in every election in which he ran, or to be concerned that people actually voted for him. ---
**Author:** ![Kythereia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e8c25b/32.png) [@Kythereia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kythereia)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2008, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canada-candidate-for-parliament-tells-high-school-students-kill-the-gays/466077/34 "2008-10-02T16:20:18Z")
I’m sorry, I’ll be right back, my eye has suddenly developed this uncontrollable twitch… :mad: ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Nader](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Darth\_Nader](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Nader)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2008, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canada-candidate-for-parliament-tells-high-school-students-kill-the-gays/466077/35 "2008-10-02T16:52:06Z")
> [@Muffin](#): > > You owe **Northern Piper** a retraction and an apology. You are 100% correct. One of these days, I’ll learn to not post when I’m full of vodka. Really. **Northern Piper** , I’m sorry, and I want everyone here to note that I was wrong. ---
**Author:** ![GingerOfTheNorth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/cdc98d/32.png) [@GingerOfTheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GingerOfTheNorth)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2008, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canada-candidate-for-parliament-tells-high-school-students-kill-the-gays/466077/36 "2008-10-02T17:00:30Z")
That was good of you, **Darth Nader**. ---
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2008, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canada-candidate-for-parliament-tells-high-school-students-kill-the-gays/466077/37 "2008-10-02T17:10:31Z")
> [@Muffin](#): > > I don’t know whether to be pleased that he finished dead last in every election in which he ran, or to be concerned that people actually voted for him. Maybe they thought they were voting for a different David Popescu? ---
**Author:** ![Malthus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/85f322/32.png) [@Malthus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malthus)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2008, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canada-candidate-for-parliament-tells-high-school-students-kill-the-gays/466077/38 "2008-10-02T19:06:00Z")
> [@Muffin](#): > > I’ll be interested to see if he is charged with promoting genocide or hatred, and if the latter, if he can fall on the _Bible_ as his statutory defence, or make a Hail Mary assertion that Parliamentary privilege should extend to statements made by a candidate in a formal political debate who otherwise is neither a Parlimentarian nor speaking in Parliament. [Criminal Code of Canada, s. 318 and 319](http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/ShowFullDoc/cs/C-46//20081002/en?command=home&caller=SI&search_type=all&shorttitle=criminal%20code&day=2&month=10&year=2008&search_domain=cs&showall=L&statuteyear=all&lengthannual=50&length=50) (and yes, gays are condsidered to be an identifiable group in Canada): Hey, what about not guilty by reason of insanity? 😉 But seriously - I’m guessing that the statutory defence in 319(3)(b) covers off an “incitement to hatred” charge. Doesn’t seem to be any statutory defence to “advocating genocide”, so it is the charge with a chance of success. I’m not in favour of this sort of legislation though. ---
**Author:** ![the\_Lady](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bb73d2/32.png) [@the\_Lady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/the_Lady)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2008, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canada-candidate-for-parliament-tells-high-school-students-kill-the-gays/466077/39 "2008-10-02T19:48:46Z")
I feel slightly cheered to note he’s spending his own money each time he runs for election… And I really, really hope the votes he gets are those who don’t follow anything and just pick a name at random. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2008, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canada-candidate-for-parliament-tells-high-school-students-kill-the-gays/466077/40 "2008-10-03T00:36:01Z")
> [@the\_Lady](#): > > I feel slightly cheered to note he’s spending his own money each time he runs for election… > And I really, really hope the votes he gets are those who don’t follow anything and just pick a name at random. Seeing as he has always lived with his mother (except for a brief period of time in the Sally Anne after he assaulted her), and that he has not had a job for well over thirty years, I expect that it is his mother’s money that he is spending each time he runs in an election. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canada-candidate-for-parliament-tells-high-school-students-kill-the-gays/466077.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canada-candidate-for-parliament-tells-high-school-students-kill-the-gays/466077.md?page=3)