# Canada Election 2019 **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 6, 2019, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canada-election-2019/839798 "2019-09-06T16:48:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 23
**Author:** ![orcenio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/orcenio/32/1036_2.png) [@orcenio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/orcenio)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2019, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canada-election-2019/839798/441 "2019-10-22T03:59:57Z")
Just got back from 16 hours working as a poll clerk in my riding… so how’d the election go? Whud I miss? ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2019, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canada-election-2019/839798/442 "2019-10-22T04:43:03Z")
Green majority government, I’ve heard. ---
**Author:** ![DWMarch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dwmarch/32/1010_2.png) [@DWMarch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DWMarch)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2019, 4:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canada-election-2019/839798/443 "2019-10-22T04:44:38Z")
Nanaimo went Green, which I am okay with. This riding has traditionally gone NDP but from what I can see the NDP candidate got his ass handed to him. If we have a Liberal minority government they may need Paul Manly’s help and they may actually send some federal dollars this way in exchange for it. Also, Manly just won the riding in a by-election this year so he’s barely had a chance to get comfortable in his seat before facing reelection. I’m happy with the result. ---
**Author:** ![FloatyGimpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/floatygimpy/32/7750_2.png) [@FloatyGimpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FloatyGimpy)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2019, 4:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canada-election-2019/839798/444 "2019-10-22T04:52:22Z")
> [@DWMarch](#): > > **Nanaimo** went Green, which I am okay with. Hello from Parksville! ---
**Author:** ![This\_Just\_In\_2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@This\_Just\_In\_2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/This_Just_In_2)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2019, 5:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canada-election-2019/839798/445 "2019-10-22T05:10:46Z")
> [@FloatyGimpy](#): > > Hello from Parksville! And from Courtenay! ---
**Author:** ![Leaffan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leaffan/32/299_2.png) [@Leaffan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaffan)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2019, 5:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canada-election-2019/839798/446 "2019-10-22T05:57:31Z")
> [@orcenio](#): > > Just got back from 16 hours working as a poll clerk in my riding… so how’d the election go? Whud I miss? Yeah, I worked it too. I got home after midnight. Long day, but interesting! ---
**Author:** ![Leaffan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leaffan/32/299_2.png) [@Leaffan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaffan)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2019, 5:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canada-election-2019/839798/447 "2019-10-22T05:58:37Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > Green majority government, I’ve heard. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2019, 7:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canada-election-2019/839798/448 "2019-10-22T07:06:29Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Does Scheer stay on, or will Peter MacKay make his move soon? I don’t see where Mr. Scheer would or should resign. His party made a decent showing, and he held his seat in the Commons. Remember, Joe Clark lost to PET in 1980, but remained the leader of the PCs until 1983. Of course, if Mr. Scheer chooses to resign, that’s his choice. ---
**Author:** ![Leaffan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leaffan/32/299_2.png) [@Leaffan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaffan)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2019, 8:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canada-election-2019/839798/449 "2019-10-22T08:11:03Z")
> [@Spoons](#): > > I don’t see where Mr. Scheer would or should resign. His party made a decent showing, and he held his seat in the Commons. Remember, Joe Clark lost to PET in 1980, but remained the leader of the PCs until 1983. Of course, if Mr. Scheer chooses to resign, that’s his choice. There was nothing in his concession speech that indicated he’d be stepping down voluntarily. And he did win the popular vote. No, he’s sticking around. ---
**Author:** ![Grey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b782af/32.png) [@Grey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grey)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2019, 11:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canada-election-2019/839798/450 "2019-10-22T11:07:00Z")
I don’t see why Scheer would resign, and actually I don’t mind the idea of a party leader learning from the campaign and applying it to the work in the House and the next election. Others may not see it that way. With Trudeau so personally weakened and a Liberal party exposed to losses to the Green and NDP there was an opportunity here but …well we’ve discussed it already I guess. The Liberal MP won in my riding, which personally I’m fine with as she’s a good candidate but not one I could support this time through. Question for clever people - why is resource extraction Northern Ontario orange when resource extraction Alberta is blue? You’d think a number of concerns would be the same. Results page from Elections Canada - [Election Night Results - Electoral Districts](https://enr.elections.ca/National.aspx?lang=e) ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2019, 11:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canada-election-2019/839798/451 "2019-10-22T11:57:10Z")
> [@Grey](#): > > Question for clever people - why is resource extraction Northern Ontario orange when resource extraction Alberta is blue? You’d think a number of concerns would be the same. Two serious possibilities: 1. They recognize that resource extraction alone isn’t a great basis for a country’s economy, and so want a diversified economy that lets us actually add value to the resources they produce. Alberta has been opposing diversification for decades, despite everyone else telling them it’s a good idea. 2. They realize that the anti-tax, anti-union, pro-big business Conservative Party isn’t really interested in doing anything to help the working class, which most of these people would be. These guys see what Doug Ford is doing, and saw Scheer buddying up to Ford. No thanks, no more of that. ---
**Author:** ![orcenio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/orcenio/32/1036_2.png) [@orcenio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/orcenio)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2019, 12:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canada-election-2019/839798/452 "2019-10-22T12:31:08Z")
Sad to see [Ruth Ellen Brosseau](https://montrealgazette.com/news/national/election-2019/ndp-star-candidate-ruth-ellen-brosseau-fights-to-hang-on-to-party-toehold) defeated. Her maturation into star MP was inspiring to me and I hope she’s not out for good. Another note, now that the Bloc winning back it’s standard share of seats (with 32.5% of the popular vote for gains against all parties) Jack Layton’s legacy in the province can now be said to be officially reversed. Quite the setback. ---
**Author:** ![orcenio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/orcenio/32/1036_2.png) [@orcenio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/orcenio)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2019, 12:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canada-election-2019/839798/453 "2019-10-22T12:34:17Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > Green majority government, I’ve heard. I, for, one welcome our new Green overloads. > [@Leaffan](#): > > Yeah, I worked it too. I got home after midnight. > Long day, but interesting! We might have been in the same polling station as, I think, we share the same riding too. It was a long day so I dipped as soon as my work was signed, sealed, delivered. ---
**Author:** ![Grey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b782af/32.png) [@Grey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grey)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2019, 12:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canada-election-2019/839798/454 "2019-10-22T12:48:29Z")
> [@Horatius](#): > > Two serious possibilities: > > 1. They recognize that resource extraction alone isn’t a great basis for a country’s economy, and so want a diversified economy that lets us actually add value to the resources they produce. Alberta has been opposing diversification for decades, despite everyone else telling them it’s a good idea. > > 2. They realize that the anti-tax, anti-union, pro-big business Conservative Party isn’t really interested in doing anything to help the working class, which most of these people would be. These guys see what Doug Ford is doing, and saw Scheer buddying up to Ford. No thanks, no more of that. Maybe. There might be a skewing due to differences in income - oil industry workers may have been receiving larger paychecks that northern Ontario miners but I can’t find anything to back that idea up. ---
**Author:** ![That\_Don\_Guy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/that_don_guy/32/538_2.png) [@That\_Don\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/That_Don_Guy)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2019, 1:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canada-election-2019/839798/455 "2019-10-22T13:10:25Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > Green majority government, I’ve heard. I’d laugh, but I remember what happened in Australia in 2010. The version I heard was: (Labour) There will be no carbon tax in Australia (Voters) You have a minority government (Labour) We have support of independents (Opposition) You’re still one short (Green) We’ll side with you - IF you introduce a carbon tax (Labour) Er, did we say, “No carbon tax”? ---
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2019, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canada-election-2019/839798/456 "2019-10-22T13:23:48Z")
> [@Grey](#): > > Maybe. There might be a skewing due to differences in income - oil industry workers may have been receiving larger paychecks that northern Ontario miners but I can’t find anything to back that idea up. One aspect - most mines are unionized while oilfields generally aren’t. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2019, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canada-election-2019/839798/457 "2019-10-22T14:27:14Z")
> [@Grey](#): > > I don’t see why Scheer would resign, and actually I don’t mind the idea of a party leader learning from the campaign and applying it to the work in the House and the next election. Others may not see it that way. With Trudeau so personally weakened and a Liberal party exposed to losses to the Green and NDP there was an opportunity here but …well we’ve discussed it already I guess. If I can offer a devil’s advocate position, 1. Scheer lost an election he absolutely should have won, and 2. It is, to be honest, difficult to remember why he was made leader in the first place. Scheer is a fantastically unimpressive leader who ran a dreadful campaign and even then could have won but snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. Of course, yes, learning on the job has its value, and the obvious comparison is Stephen Harper, who lost his first shot as well. Many will point to Harper is the example; learn, then come back and win. You know who else lost the first time and tried to win? Robert Stanfield. Oh, and John Turner. Preston Manning, I guess. Joe Clark never recovered after his two-election shuffle. I would have liked to vote Conservative, but simply could not bring myself to vote for a party that appears to stand for nothing in particular and is led by Andrew Scheer. I am already suspicious enough of the world conservative movement with all the fascism we’re seeing, but a solid leader, platform and the knowledge that most of the real QAnon droolers went People’s Party could have won me the vote. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2019, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canada-election-2019/839798/458 "2019-10-22T14:42:13Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > If I can offer a devil’s advocate position, > > 1. Scheer lost an election he absolutely should have won, and I have to wonder why you think this was an election “he absolutely should have won”. Sure, the Conservatives were full-on hating Trudeau, and acted like everyone else in the country agreed with them on that, but that wasn’t really the case. This is distinctly unlike the conservative win in Ontario, where Wynne really was that unpopular with a huge portion of the electorate. I think the Cons believed their own hype on this one. They bet everything on the anti-Trudeau play, and didn’t bring anything positive to the table. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2019, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canada-election-2019/839798/459 "2019-10-22T14:45:16Z")
> [@Grey](#): > > Question for clever people - why is resource extraction Northern Ontario orange when resource extraction Alberta is blue? You’d think a number of concerns would be the same. Just spitballing, but it’s probably because Mr Singh didn’t promise to give BC and Quebec the power to block ontario’s ability to send its natural resource production to international markets. He just wanted to give BC and Quebec the power to block Saskatchewan and Alberta natural resources from reaching overseas. Curious how that kind of double standard plays out in the electoral map. Who’d thunk?!? ---
**Author:** ![Grey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b782af/32.png) [@Grey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grey)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2019, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canada-election-2019/839798/460 "2019-10-22T14:52:52Z")
> [@Horatius](#): > > I have to wonder why you think this was an election “he absolutely should have won”. Sure, the Conservatives were full-on hating Trudeau, and acted like everyone else in the country agreed with them on that, but that wasn’t really the case. This is distinctly unlike the conservative win in Ontario, where Wynne really was that unpopular with a huge portion of the electorate. > > I think the Cons believed their own hype on this one. They bet everything on the anti-Trudeau play, and didn’t bring anything positive to the table. Personally I did not vote Liberal, despite an decent local candidate, purely because I could not reward the party with my vote due to SNC-Lavalin. I was an obvious vote up for grabs. There is a whole swath of central Canadian voters that could have been lured to vote Conservative if they had hammered on “higher standards”, poor outcomes and a serious approach to climate change. Instead they seemed to have tried to extend their Alberta/Western base’s intensely personal dislike of Trudeau into the theme for the past 40 odd days. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canada-election-2019/839798.md?page=22) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canada-election-2019/839798.md?page=24)