# Canada Election 2019 **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 6, 2019, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canada-election-2019/839798 "2019-09-06T16:48:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Grey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b782af/32.png) [@Grey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grey)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2019, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canada-election-2019/839798/161 "2019-09-23T17:56:45Z")
The Liberals, in my view, honestly have done a fairly good job dealing with an American government led by a wildly uneducated conman with delusions of competency. Honestly between Jody Wilson-Raybould and Chrystia Freeland I’d half hoped the Liberals would punt Trudeau, have either of those two win the leadership and then call the election. That would’ve been fun. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![BeepKillBeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9e8a1a/32.png) [@BeepKillBeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeepKillBeep)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2019, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canada-election-2019/839798/162 "2019-09-23T18:06:35Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > I am not sure but I strongly suspect that: > > - The Conservative Party has no real definitive answers for what they would have done differently in these very difficult situations. I mean, particularly when dealing with China and the USA in this Time Of Trump. International relations have become particularly volatile, and China is hard to deal with at the best of times. > > So what are the Conservatives going to say other than “we would have done it better… by doing… better stuff.” I mean, SPECIFICALLY, how would they handle a situation where one ally (The USA) is pressuring you to follow international law by arresting a Chinese national… and you KNOW that by doing so you will piss off China. > > So in this case, how would a Conservative government have managed without pissing off either our largest trading partner with a volatile and frankly vindictive president OR our second largest trading partner, which has a habit of bullying other countries on trade? It reminds me of my last customer before I left IT (forever I hope). “_Beep_ Kill _Beep_, we cannot tell you what it is we want you to develop, but it certainly isn’t this.” ---
**Author:** ![This\_Just\_In\_2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@This\_Just\_In\_2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/This_Just_In_2)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2019, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canada-election-2019/839798/163 "2019-09-23T18:19:48Z")
Canada is too small of a player to have any influence during the unpredictable and ongoing spat between Trump and China. We’d work best if the US leadership was earnestly trying to negotiate better ties - there are places Canada might find synergy with its resources and subsequently have better relations with China. But at least until January 2021 when a new President might come in it is best to tip toe around that mess. There is a trade war going on and since we’re primarily aligned with the US we’ve faced some collateral repercussions from China. I’d say Trudeau has so far successfully navigated this from becoming far worse given Canada’s weak hand. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2019, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canada-election-2019/839798/164 "2019-09-23T18:39:22Z")
> [@This\_Just\_In\_2](#): > > There is a trade war going on and since we’re primarily aligned with the US we’ve faced some collateral repercussions from China. I’d say Trudeau has so far successfully navigated this from becoming far worse given Canada’s weak hand. It seems to me that most of our problems with China started after we arrested that Huawei executive, at the request of the Trump administration. And that was literally a no-win scenario for us. If we arrest her, we piss off China, if we don’t arrest her, we piss off Trump. There’s no middle ground for us. Any PM would have had to make a choice that would piss off one or the other, and as I discussed above, the US is simply far more important to us. No matter who the PM was, we’d be in China’s bad books at this point. ---
**Author:** ![Grey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b782af/32.png) [@Grey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grey)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2019, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canada-election-2019/839798/165 "2019-09-23T18:45:33Z")
I’m not arguing that a Canadian foreign policy is going to change Chinese behaviour but there’s nothing stopping us from changing our behaviour. Do we have to continue to support the Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank? It’s a competitor to the WTO and IMF which we’ve helped to build and allows China a prominent role in contesting the current international framework. Then there’s Huawei… what are we going to do about a company so closely tied to the CCP? What about NATO? What about Arctic management and the incursions both Russia and China will make into not only our areas but the areas of our allies like Denmark and Norway? The fact that an authoritarian regime like the CCP would eventually push us around is actually a bit of a relief. We have a much clearer sense of our positions now. ---
**Author:** ![Declan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecae2f/32.png) [@Declan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Declan)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2019, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canada-election-2019/839798/166 "2019-09-23T21:40:13Z")
> [@Horatius](#): > > And that one word right there sums up why I’ve abandoned the modern Conservatives parties. Take a look at this thread. We’ve got a lot of right-leaning people for whom the entire election seem to turn on Trudeau, and who are making only ad hominem attacks against both him and the people who may be voting for him. No discussion of policy, no context, nothing at all of substance. > > Then compare it to everyone posting about why they won’t vote for Scheer. No one is trying to come up with a cutesy insulting nickname. Lots of people have posted exactly why they oppose Scheer’s policies, and why the support Trudeau’s policies, even if they don’t particularly like Trudeau himself as a person. > > Despite all the Conservatives talking about people “drinking the Koolaid”, it’s painfully clear which side of this discussion is actually thinking about things clearly, and it isn’t the conservative side. He is an idiot, who actually is making his father look like a paragon of restraint and for me to say that about Pere Trudeau is saying something. Your going to find, if you have not already reached that conclusion is that for several generations of Canadians, the name Trudeau does not evoke confidence, competence, or conservatism. So far he has not demonstrated that the apple has fallen far from the tree with his early predilictions with other peoples culture, with the only caveat being that at least he did not go tear assing around Montreal in Nazi regalia during wartime. I have been reminded here several times over the years, that I have to trust that the opposition party will not screw things up when they take charge. Clearly the people that are not voting for Scheer need to be reminded of that, and if we want something changed, then the people have spoken, even if its your pet cause. ---
**Author:** ![BeepKillBeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9e8a1a/32.png) [@BeepKillBeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeepKillBeep)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2019, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canada-election-2019/839798/167 "2019-09-23T21:42:19Z")
I don’t understand your last sentence. I tried reading it several times. What pet cause? What people have spoken? ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2019, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canada-election-2019/839798/168 "2019-09-23T21:57:09Z")
From what I can tell, he’s just trying to convince us some more that we should vote Conservative because he really REALLY hates Justin Trudeau and still hates Pierre Trudeau. That’s about it, as far as I can see. ETA: I’m not clear on why he quoted **Horatius**. He’s not really replying to that post. ---
**Author:** ![Declan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecae2f/32.png) [@Declan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Declan)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2019, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canada-election-2019/839798/169 "2019-09-23T22:06:00Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > From what I can tell, he’s just trying to convince us some more that we should vote Conservative because he really REALLY hates Justin Trudeau and still hates Pierre Trudeau. > > That’s about it, as far as I can see. > > ETA: I’m not clear on why he quoted **Horatius**. He’s not really replying to that post. Sorry but at what time did i specifically ask, or try and convince people to vote conservative. And if by some chance you think i did, then by all means vote your choice brand. ---
**Author:** ![Declan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecae2f/32.png) [@Declan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Declan)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2019, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canada-election-2019/839798/170 "2019-09-23T22:09:21Z")
> [@BeepKillBeep](#): > > I don’t understand your last sentence. I tried reading it several times. > > What pet cause? > > What people have spoken? See Beep its like this, if Scheer drops any form of Carbon taxation some people might get upset, i call that a pet cause. If Scheer is elected, and drops the CT, then thats called the people have spoken. Any more clarity needed ? ---
**Author:** ![BeepKillBeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9e8a1a/32.png) [@BeepKillBeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeepKillBeep)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2019, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canada-election-2019/839798/171 "2019-09-23T22:12:52Z")
> [@Declan](#): > > See Beep its like this, if Scheer drops any form of Carbon taxation some people might get upset, i call that a pet cause. > > If Scheer is elected, and drops the CT, then thats called the people have spoken. > > Any more clarity needed ? I thought that might be what you were saying. Thanks for the clarification. I agree with you. I think our elections will be relatively free and fair (there’s already some foreign influence going on but in the Information Age stopping it is going to be difficult), and if the people elect Scheer then that’s the legitimate government of the people. But the inverse is true if Trudeau is elected. ---
**Author:** ![Declan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecae2f/32.png) [@Declan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Declan)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2019, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canada-election-2019/839798/172 "2019-09-23T22:20:40Z")
> [@BeepKillBeep](#): > > IBut the inverse is true if Trudeau is elected. Exactly, trust me its been a long five years. His policy announcement recently about making 15k the minimum for income tax deductions sound like he expects to make up the shortfall on the consumer side with a higher carbon tax. Does that sound about right to you. ---
**Author:** ![BeepKillBeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9e8a1a/32.png) [@BeepKillBeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeepKillBeep)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2019, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canada-election-2019/839798/173 "2019-09-23T22:25:09Z")
Ugh. This pisses me off. Come on, Harper was being honored. It has nothing to do with the Trudeau blackface issue. People are stupid. > **[An old photo of Stephen Harper in Indigenous garb is being misrepresented...](https://www.cbc.ca/news/science/stephen-harper-headdress-trudeau-blackface-1.5294119)** > > In an attempt to defend the images of Justin Trudeau in blackface, people are sharing an out-of-context photo of former prime minister Stephen Harper from when he was named an honorary chief. ---
**Author:** ![BeepKillBeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9e8a1a/32.png) [@BeepKillBeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeepKillBeep)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2019, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canada-election-2019/839798/174 "2019-09-23T22:30:46Z")
> [@Declan](#): > > Exactly, trust me its been a long five years. > His policy announcement recently about making 15k the minimum for income tax deductions sound like he expects to make up the shortfall on the consumer side with a higher carbon tax. Does that sound about right to you. My Google Fu has failed. I cannot find this. Can you provide a link please (ideally to a relatively neutral source)? ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2019, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canada-election-2019/839798/175 "2019-09-23T22:47:34Z")
> [@BeepKillBeep](#): > > Ugh. This pisses me off. Come on, Harper was being honored. It has nothing to do with the Trudeau blackface issue. People are stupid. > > [An old photo of Stephen Harper in Indigenous garb is being misrepresented online | CBC News](https://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/stephen-harper-headdress-trudeau-blackface-1.5294119) I agree. Harper was being honoured. This is not just false equivalence, it is stupid false equivalence. I like this quote: "“When you point to that and you point at the colour on his face and you laugh at it, you’re not laughing at Harper. You’re laughing at the people that put the colour there.” (The Southern Alberta Blood Tribe). ---
**Author:** ![Declan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecae2f/32.png) [@Declan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Declan)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2019, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canada-election-2019/839798/176 "2019-09-23T23:12:11Z")
> [@BeepKillBeep](#): > > My Google Fu has failed. I cannot find this. Can you provide a link please (ideally to a relatively neutral source)? [Global News](https://globalnews.ca/news/5936392/trudeau-cellphone-tax-income-lower-brampton/) ---
**Author:** ![Declan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecae2f/32.png) [@Declan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Declan)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2019, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canada-election-2019/839798/177 "2019-09-23T23:15:09Z")
> [@BeepKillBeep](#): > > Ugh. This pisses me off. Come on, Harper was being honored. It has nothing to do with the Trudeau blackface issue. People are stupid. > > [An old photo of Stephen Harper in Indigenous garb is being misrepresented online | CBC News](https://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/stephen-harper-headdress-trudeau-blackface-1.5294119) If that was put out by the Liberal party I would be very much surprised. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2019, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canada-election-2019/839798/178 "2019-09-23T23:24:22Z")
> [@Declan](#): > > If that was put out by the Liberal party I would be very much surprised. I think it was done by some basic random idiots. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2019, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canada-election-2019/839798/179 "2019-09-23T23:26:29Z")
> [@Declan](#): > > [Global News](https://globalnews.ca/news/5936392/trudeau-cellphone-tax-income-lower-brampton/) Yes, thanks for that - it’s pretty easy to find Trudeau’s promise to make the first $15,000 of income tax free. I think the request was for the thought that “he expects to make up the shortfall on the consumer side with a higher carbon tax.” I can’t find any information that says Trudeau expects to make up the shortfall on the consumer side with a higher carbon tax. This part sounds like idle speculation. ---
**Author:** ![Declan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecae2f/32.png) [@Declan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Declan)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2019, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canada-election-2019/839798/180 "2019-09-23T23:34:56Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Yes, thanks for that - it’s pretty easy to find Trudeau’s promise to make the first $15,000 of income tax free. > > I think the request was for the thought that “he expects to make up the shortfall on the consumer side with a higher carbon tax.” > > I can’t find any information that says Trudeau expects to make up the shortfall on the consumer side with a higher carbon tax. This part sounds like idle speculation. If I have the math correct, right now the first 7k is tax free, if he gets elected and actually does increase the tax free amount then that would entail that there will be a shortfall in accounts recievable of 8k per person. Obviously depending on where he plans on drawing the line for who is entitled to that windfall. My bet is that he is well aware that the carbon tax will hit the lower tier tax payers hardest, and is simply swapping the income tax for the CT and justifying with people getting more control over what they pay on the consumer side. As for him saying that, no he did not. I dont expect to see that in the papers until after the election, should he win the day. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canada-election-2019/839798.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canada-election-2019/839798.md?page=10)