# Canada not taking unaccompanied male refugees? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [January 29, 2017, 9:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canada-not-taking-unaccompanied-male-refugees/778495 "2017-01-29T09:14:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 9:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canada-not-taking-unaccompanied-male-refugees/778495/1 "2017-01-29T09:14:16Z")
> **[Canada to take only women, children and families as Syrian refugees | CBC News](https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-refugee-plan-women-children-families-1.3330185)** > > The Canadian government's Syrian refugee plan will bring in women, children and families only, CBC News has learned. To deal with ongoing security concerns, unaccompanied men will not be part of the program. It’s CBC so I imagine it must be totally true. Guardian seems to confirm that this is indeed Canadian policy: > **[Canada to turn away single men as part of Syrian refugee resettlement plan](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/23/canada-syrian-refugee-resettlement-plan-no-single-men)** > > Details will be announced Tuesday but radio reports indicate country will accept only whole families, lone women or children from 1 December First, reasonable policy? Second, couldn’t Trump have saved himself a lot of trouble by just copying Canada’s policy? ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 9:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canada-not-taking-unaccompanied-male-refugees/778495/2 "2017-01-29T09:30:38Z")
Dunno, have you got anything more recent than 14 months old? ---
**Author:** ![duality72](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duality72/32/3910_2.png) [@duality72](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duality72)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 9:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canada-not-taking-unaccompanied-male-refugees/778495/3 "2017-01-29T09:30:53Z")
> [@](#): > > Second, couldn’t Trump have saved himself a lot of trouble by just copying Canada’s policy? He could have, but that would have missed his point. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 9:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canada-not-taking-unaccompanied-male-refugees/778495/4 "2017-01-29T09:34:55Z")
This cite says it’s not a total ban, but the priority is women and children: [http://ipolitics.ca/2016/02/18/canadas-dangerous-double-standard-on-syrian-refugees/](http://ipolitics.ca/2016/02/18/canadas-dangerous-double-standard-on-syrian-refugees/) But their actual policy in reality, according to the same cite, is to treat refugee single men as security threats. This cite says, you can be a single man and get refugee status, as long as your gay: > **[Canada Will Welcome 25,000 Refugees, But No Single Straight Men](https://www.newsweek.com/canada-will-welcome-25000-refugees-no-single-straight-men-398045)** > > The country will accept families, lone women and gay men. This all seems like classic politics to me. Pat yourself on the back for your generosity while doing as little as possible and taking no chances. Trump could learn a thing or two from this. ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 9:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canada-not-taking-unaccompanied-male-refugees/778495/5 "2017-01-29T09:36:11Z")
Again: > [@up\_the\_junction](#): > > Dunno, have you got anything more recent than 14 months old? ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 10:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canada-not-taking-unaccompanied-male-refugees/778495/6 "2017-01-29T10:05:08Z")
There wouldn’t be other stories unless a change in policy was announced, and I see nothing after Nov 2015. ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 10:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canada-not-taking-unaccompanied-male-refugees/778495/7 "2017-01-29T10:09:12Z")
Right, it’s not like immigration is a worldwide issue with every national policy under scrutiny. Enjoy 2015. ---
**Author:** ![elbows](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b3f665/32.png) [@elbows](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elbows)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 12:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canada-not-taking-unaccompanied-male-refugees/778495/8 "2017-01-29T12:07:19Z")
> [@](#): > > Pat yourself on the back for your generosity while doing as little as possible and taking no chances. What the? The policy prioritizes women and children ahead of single men. As single men are more able to manage life in a refugee camp, escape oppression, less likely to be victimized, etc. Just like women and children get into lifeboats first. How is this hard for you to understand? It’s been reiterated many times here in Canada, and Canadians don’t seem to have a problem comprehending it. Why do you? Taking no chances? What are you talking about? We took in 30,0000 Syrian refugees the same year y’all slammed the door shut. On carefully vetted people’s with green cards and valid visas, arriving with families and jobs to go to, etc. Why are you so pissed someone offered a welcome and a place to persons y’all left hanging and in limbo with no where to go? And how exactly are we patting ourselves on the back for this action? We are just doing what we do, trying to live up to the values we espouse. How is that wrong? Are these actions not fully in keeping with our stated immigration policies and objectives? What exactly is America trying to do? And why the butthurt that we’re willing to help clean up a mess y’all made? I can assure you our actions are not to win favour, or praise, or make y’all look bad, but simply a response to a deplorable situation for innocent people. How again is that so wrong? If our actions make you sour, i would suggest it’s solely because your own actions reflect badly on you. Not because we’re doing anything exceptionally praiseworthy. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 12:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canada-not-taking-unaccompanied-male-refugees/778495/9 "2017-01-29T12:39:13Z")
Then take in more single men. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 12:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canada-not-taking-unaccompanied-male-refugees/778495/10 "2017-01-29T12:59:21Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Then take in more single men. Exactly. Women have value, men are disposable. Somethings never change. > **[We need to stop pretending that women and children are the only refugees who...](https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/we-need-to-stop-telling-ourselves-that-women-and-children-are-the-only-refugees-who-matter-10493332.html)** > > Giving them priority only reinforces the idea that the lives of male refugees are somehow less valuable ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 1:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canada-not-taking-unaccompanied-male-refugees/778495/11 "2017-01-29T13:04:59Z")
I don’t know that they consider males less valuable, so much as single males are more likely to be a security threat. And statistically, that’s sound reasoning. While there are female and child terrorists, the overwhelming majority are men, and a large percentage of those men are unmarried(or conversly, have 50 wives). ---
**Author:** ![elbows](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b3f665/32.png) [@elbows](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elbows)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canada-not-taking-unaccompanied-male-refugees/778495/12 "2017-01-29T13:12:18Z")
Shouldn’t you be fixing your own immigration policies before criticizing another nation’s? Especially since y’all just screwed over many innocent people who went through lengthy waits, paid fees, were vetted and issued visas. Only to be refused or left in limbo! It may surprise you to know our policies were NOT implemented to win your approval, but to do some good for people who are in a difficult spot. Clearly, for this, we deserve your judgement and condemnation. Got it! ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canada-not-taking-unaccompanied-male-refugees/778495/13 "2017-01-29T13:23:04Z")
Well, the point of this thread is to see if maybe it wouldn’t be better to copy Canada’s immigration policy.🙂 Canada also takes in fewer low skill immigrants than we do, preferring professionals and people with needed skills. We should do that too. ---
**Author:** ![elbows](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b3f665/32.png) [@elbows](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elbows)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canada-not-taking-unaccompanied-male-refugees/778495/14 "2017-01-29T13:34:44Z")
> [@](#): > > Pat yourself on the back for your generosity while **doing as little as possible** and taking no chances. Did you miss where we took in 30,000 desperate Syrians? While y’all looked the other way? Do tell, how is that doing as little as possible! Or taking no chances? Yeah, you were just asking innocent questions!:dubious::dubious::dubious: ---
**Author:** ![panache45](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/panache45/32/64_2.png) [@panache45](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/panache45)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canada-not-taking-unaccompanied-male-refugees/778495/15 "2017-01-29T15:06:34Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > This cite says, you can be a single man and get refugee status, as long as your gay: And how on earth do they ascertain someone’s sexual orientation? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canada-not-taking-unaccompanied-male-refugees/778495/16 "2017-01-29T15:12:47Z")
> [@panache45](#): > > And how on earth do they ascertain someone’s sexual orientation? They check their iTunes playlist for Barbara Streisand tunes… Duh!! ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canada-not-taking-unaccompanied-male-refugees/778495/17 "2017-01-29T15:29:00Z")
> [@panache45](#): > > And how on earth do they ascertain someone’s sexual orientation? Make you watch gay porn and see if you get a hard on? ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_Paprika](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr_paprika/32/3042_2.png) [@Dr\_Paprika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr_Paprika)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canada-not-taking-unaccompanied-male-refugees/778495/18 "2017-01-29T15:43:16Z")
It’s an imperfect compromise between expediency and security. Not perfect. A little discriminatory. Probably better than doing nothing in a humanitarian crisis. Probably kinder than what goes on in some other places. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canada-not-taking-unaccompanied-male-refugees/778495/19 "2017-01-29T15:51:16Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Well, the point of this thread is to see if maybe it wouldn’t be better to copy Canada’s immigration policy.🙂 To the best of my understanding, US asylum policy has resulted in roughly 2% of those Syrians admitted being young, single men. If Canada’s priority is women, children, and families, seems clear that we used to have the same priorities. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2017, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canada-not-taking-unaccompanied-male-refugees/778495/20 "2017-01-29T16:09:31Z")
> [@Dr\_Paprika](#): > > It’s an imperfect compromise between expediency and security. Not perfect. A little discriminatory. Probably better than doing nothing in a humanitarian crisis. Probably kinder than what goes on in some other places. A little discriminatory? Not perfect? You shitting me? The militants have used women and children, all the time in the warzones and many have been major supporters of these guys. Use of female suicide bomber [Two female suicide bombers kill at least 30 at Nigerian market | Nigeria | The Guardian](https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2016/dec/09/two-female-suicide-bombers-kill-at-least-30-at-nigerian-market?client=safari) > **[Black Widow (Chechnya)](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Widow_(Chechnya))** > > Black Widow (Russian: чёрная вдова, chyornaya vdova) or Shahidka (Russian: шахидка—Russian feminine gender derivation from shahid), is a term for Islamist Chechen female suicide bombers, willing to be a manifestation of violent jihad. They became known at the Moscow theater hostage crisis of October 2002. The commander Shamil Basayev referred to the shahidkas as a part of force of his suicide bombers called the Riyad-us Saliheen Brigade of Martyrs. Basayev also stated that he himself tra The term... Our old friend; Lela Khaled > **[Leila Khaled](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leila_Khaled)** > > Leila Khaled (Arabic: ليلى خالد, .mw-parser-output .IPA-label-small{font-size:85%}.mw-parser-output .references .IPA-label-small,.mw-parser-output .infobox .IPA-label-small,.mw-parser-output .navbox .IPA-label-small{font-size:100%}Arabic pronunciation: \[ˈlajla ˈxaːled\] born April 9, 1944) is a former Palestinian militant and member of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP). She is famous as the first woman to hijack an airplane. > Khaled gained her prominence for her role in ... Saying we will prefer women is not only stupid, it’s dangerous. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canada-not-taking-unaccompanied-male-refugees/778495.md?page=2)