# Canadian 'dopers, Freedom Convoy? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [February 10, 2022, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canadian-dopers-freedom-convoy/959186 "2022-02-10T00:07:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 28
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2022, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canadian-dopers-freedom-convoy/959186/541 "2022-02-22T17:01:17Z")
So, I guess he didn’t get the publication ban he was rumored to be asking for? Or did he decide that embracing his image as a public loud-mouthed idiot would ultimately be more profitable? ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2022, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canadian-dopers-freedom-convoy/959186/542 "2022-02-22T18:52:19Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > just “liberty” in the sense of “I shouldn’t hafta do anything I don’t wanna do.” Yes, this. The Conservative Party of Canada seems to have embraced thinking along the lines of: “I should have the right to harm other people by infecting them with communicable diseases, because I don’t believe in science” and “I should have the right to blockade streets for weeks and cause millions of dollars in economic damage to others because I want the results of a recent election to be overturned.” This is the “Liberty” that the CPC wishes to have. But only for themselves. Not for others. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2022, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canadian-dopers-freedom-convoy/959186/543 "2022-02-22T18:59:02Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > Well, “liberty” not in the sense that anyone’s actually depriving the parties on the right of any of their duly constituted liberties (which has usually been the driving force behind pro-liberty movements on the left), just “liberty” in the sense of “I shouldn’t hafta do anything I don’t wanna do.” People are having their bank accounts frozen without due process for making small donations to a protest when the protest wasn’t even illegal. At least one person was fired from government for it. The passing of the Emergencies Act was totally unnecessary and a misuse of the act, and pretending anyone who says so supports lawbreaking, blockades or ignoring the pandemic is a straw man of the first order. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2022, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canadian-dopers-freedom-convoy/959186/544 "2022-02-22T19:03:55Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > People are having their bank accounts frozen without due process for making small donations to a protest No, they are not. This is a claim from one Conservative MP in British Columbia that he has profferred with NO evidence whatsoever. In my opinion, it is complete bullshit. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2022, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canadian-dopers-freedom-convoy/959186/545 "2022-02-22T19:07:19Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > This is a claim from one Conservative MP in British Columbia that he has profferred with NO evidence whatsoever. > > In my opinion, it is complete bullshit. Evidence of latter claim: > **[Ontario government staffer out of a job after $100 donation to Ottawa...](https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/ontario-government-staffer-out-of-a-job-after-100-donation-to-ottawa-blockade-others-under-scrutiny-1.5784390)** > > The director of communications in the Ontario ministry responsible for enforcing the law is out of a job after she was tied to a $100 donation supporting the convoy blockading Ottawa streets. An NDP MPP is quoted saying someone making such a donation is “concerning.” I wonder what she’d say about donating to illegal protests or blockades the NDP is aligned with? If the Conservatives win the next election, maybe they’ll make the same move. The former claim will be proven correct in time. By the way, people sharing the GiveSendGo info are breaking the law. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2022, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canadian-dopers-freedom-convoy/959186/546 "2022-02-22T19:10:33Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > > [@RickJay](#): > > > > People are having their bank accounts frozen without due process for making small donations to a protest > > No, they are not. > > This is a claim from one Conservative MP in British Columbia that he has profferred with NO evidence whatsoever. > **[Social media post from B.C. politician claims single mom's bank account was...](https://bc.ctvnews.ca/social-media-post-from-b-c-politician-claims-single-mom-s-bank-account-was-frozen-over-convoy-donation-1.5790682)** > > A B.C. politician vowed to keep fighting for a 'single mom from Chilliwack' who allegedly had her bank account frozen for donating $50 to the truck convoy. > The RCMP said Monday account-freezing powers under the Emergencies Act do not affect individual donors. > > “At no time, did we provide a list of donors to financial institutions,” Mounties wrote in a statement. > Under the Bank Act (not to be confused with the Emergencies Act), accounts can be frozen for many reasons, like suspicious activity, fraud, or unpaid debts or taxes. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2022, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canadian-dopers-freedom-convoy/959186/547 "2022-02-22T19:12:21Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > The RCMP said Monday account-freezing powers under the Emergencies Act do not affect individual donors. > > “At no time, did we provide a list of donors to financial institutions,” Mounties wrote in a statement. It hasn’t been claimed, so far as I am aware, that the **RCMP** is freezing bank accounts. And someone sure fired Marion Isabeau-Ringuette, (though that’s not an Emergencies Act thing.) ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2022, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canadian-dopers-freedom-convoy/959186/548 "2022-02-22T19:14:31Z")
Point is _if_ individual bank accounts are being frozen, the Emergencies Act has nothing to do with that. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2022, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canadian-dopers-freedom-convoy/959186/549 "2022-02-22T19:15:16Z")
The Public Safety Minister of Canada disagrees with you. > **[At least 76 financial accounts frozen since Emergencies Act invoked: Mendicino](https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/at-least-76-financial-accounts-frozen-since-emergencies-act-invoked-mendicino-1.5788396)** > > Dozens of accounts with financial services firms have been frozen under new powers granted by the Emergencies Act over the past five days, Public Safety Minister Marco Mendicino said Saturday. As does the CBC: > **[Banks are moving to freeze accounts linked to convoy protests. Here's what...](https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/emergencies-act-banks-ottawa-protests-1.6353968)** > > Using powers granted under the Emergencies Act, the federal government has directed banks and other financial institutions to stop doing business with people associated with the anti-vaccine mandate convoy occupying the nation's capital. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2022, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canadian-dopers-freedom-convoy/959186/550 "2022-02-22T19:16:16Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > Evidence of latter claim: Your link does not contain any evidence of people having their bank accounts frozen, as you claim. It contains a claim that government person was fired from their government job for supporting an illegal anti-government blockade. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2022, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canadian-dopers-freedom-convoy/959186/551 "2022-02-22T19:18:18Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > The Public Safety Minister of Canada disagrees with you. Those accounts belong to protestors and/or organizers, not donators. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2022, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canadian-dopers-freedom-convoy/959186/552 "2022-02-22T19:19:39Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > The Public Safety Minister of Canada disagrees with you. These links do not say that people’s accounts were frozen for merely donating to the convoy fundraisers. As I understand it, these are accounts linked to organizers, truckers in the blockade, companies associated with these truckers and fundraising organizations. So again, your claim that people who donated small amounts are having their bank accounts frozen is UNPROVEN. Your cites do not say what you are claiming. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2022, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canadian-dopers-freedom-convoy/959186/553 "2022-02-22T19:21:23Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > Those accounts belong to protestors and/or organizers, not donators. Are they individual bank accounts? Your claim was they were not being frozen per the Emergencies Act. But in fact they are. > [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > So again, your claim that people who donated small amounts are having their bank accounts frozen is UNPROVEN. Fair enough; I will concede my specific claim that a _donator_ has had a bank account frozen is thus far not supported with a verifiable example. We’ll revisit this in time. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2022, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canadian-dopers-freedom-convoy/959186/554 "2022-02-22T19:25:39Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > Are they individual bank accounts? Your claim was they were not being frozen per the Emergencies Act. No, that’s the RMCP’s claim, remember? > [A]ccount-freezing powers under the Emergencies Act do not affect individual donors. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2022, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canadian-dopers-freedom-convoy/959186/555 "2022-02-22T19:25:53Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > Fair enough; I will concede my specific claim that a _donator_ has had a bank account frozen is thus far not supported with a verifiable example. We’ll revisit this in time. Thank you. Of course there are accounts that are being frozen; I would imagine Tamara Lich’s account is one of these. I am of the opinion that the claim by MP Mark Strahl is complete and utter bullshit, and that he will provide no evidence whatsoever. I am also convinced that he lied on purpose, in order to get this thought out there into the public consciousness, so people like you would repeat it without completely assessing it’s veracity. He just wants “people are talking about it” . A tried and true Conservative smear job. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2022, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canadian-dopers-freedom-convoy/959186/556 "2022-02-22T19:33:56Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Of course there are accounts that are being frozen; I would imagine Tamara Lich’s account is one of these. Since I suspect Lich had no intention of ever distributing donated funds, but in fact was running a scam, this was going to happen eventually. Whcih is, in fact, why I don’t think this was necessary to stop the protests. There was no “spigot of money” supporting the protests. The Gofundme money never arrived because Gofundme suspended it, and even had they not I am 99% sure the grifters were going to pocket most if not all of it. The other one never got any funds to the protesters, either. It’s pretty clear the blockades were largely self-funded by the protesters. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2022, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canadian-dopers-freedom-convoy/959186/557 "2022-02-22T19:38:54Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > I am of the opinion that the claim by MP Mark Strahl is complete and utter bullshit, and that he will provide no evidence whatsoever. Or this person’s account _was_ frozen, for reasons entirely unrelated to the Emergencies Act, but chooses to blame that. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2022, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canadian-dopers-freedom-convoy/959186/558 "2022-02-22T19:57:16Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > Or this person’s account _was_ frozen, for reasons entirely unrelated to the Emergencies Act, but chooses to blame that. Yes. I’m pretty sure that going forward, whenever some right-wing deadbeat bounces a cheque, they are going to try the excuse of “It’s all Trudeau’s fault!!” ---
**Author:** ![Chingon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chingon/32/17645_2.png) [@Chingon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chingon)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2022, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canadian-dopers-freedom-convoy/959186/559 "2022-02-22T20:00:00Z")
In the rush to find the middle, one makes mistakes. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2022, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canadian-dopers-freedom-convoy/959186/560 "2022-02-22T21:03:38Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > I am 99% sure the grifters were going to pocket most if not all of it. I am not 99% sure of this. And I don’t think that your feeling sure that the money was not going to support anti-democratic illegal blockades is a good reason for the rest of us to simply ignore the problem and let the grifters probably maybe possibly keep the money. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canadian-dopers-freedom-convoy/959186.md?page=27) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canadian-dopers-freedom-convoy/959186.md?page=29)