# Canadian 'dopers, Freedom Convoy? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [February 10, 2022, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canadian-dopers-freedom-convoy/959186 "2022-02-10T00:07:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 40
**Author:** ![Grey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b782af/32.png) [@Grey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grey)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2022, 10:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canadian-dopers-freedom-convoy/959186/781 "2022-04-29T10:47:46Z")
Poutine Fest this weekend as well. I figure it’ll be fine but again a large collection of unfocused upset. Why? Who knows but someone is pissed off and we need people to know. ---
**Author:** ![Grey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b782af/32.png) [@Grey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grey)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2022, 11:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canadian-dopers-freedom-convoy/959186/782 "2022-04-29T11:00:22Z")
And of course some weird vet worshiping mindset. They’re here to reclaim the national war memorial, that had to be ringed with a fence to keep the first collection of fuckwts off of it. > **['Rolling Thunder' organizer pledges peaceful demonstration but won't speak to...](https://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/rolling-thunder-organizer-pledges-peaceful-demonstration-but-won-t-speak-to-controversial-guest-1.5877211)** > > The organizer of the coming 'Rolling Thunder' bike convoy to Ottawa is promising a peaceful event this weekend, but he distanced himself from a controversial guest speaker. ---
**Author:** ![snowthx](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowthx/32/10660_2.png) [@snowthx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snowthx)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2022, 11:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canadian-dopers-freedom-convoy/959186/783 "2022-04-29T11:48:45Z")
You guys should try eggs… > **[Inept 'People's Convoy' chased out of Bay Area by egg-throwing kids](https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Peoples-Convoy-chased-out-of-Bay-Area-17122881.php)** > > One livestreamer for the convoy begrudgingly conceded victory to the Bay Area youth.... ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2022, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canadian-dopers-freedom-convoy/959186/784 "2022-04-29T13:53:03Z")
I wasn’t sure if this was the same guy or not when I first saw it, so I didn’t post it earlier, but now I’ve confirmed they’ve [already nailed a _second_ idiot.](https://ottawa.citynews.ca/local-news/ottawa-police-nab-two-people-during-rolling-thunder-convoy-preparations-5311930?utm_source=SND&utm_medium=Facebook&utm_campaign=AutoPilot&fbclid=IwAR1Z7PHr1LxZ8fZBEv12KguYX0iJ7npQAKI0ll5PbgIP_cvr9TWr0uig5w8) > The individual was charged with cannabis readily available, driving without insurance, knowingly giving an invalid insurance card and G1 driving on a prohibited highway. This guy really made an effort to be stupid. ---
**Author:** ![Morgyn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morgyn/32/3041_2.png) [@Morgyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgyn)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2022, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canadian-dopers-freedom-convoy/959186/785 "2022-04-29T14:12:51Z")
What is “G1 driving on a prohibited highway”? ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2022, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canadian-dopers-freedom-convoy/959186/786 "2022-04-29T14:26:53Z")
It’s a new driver. We have a graduated licensing system in Ontario these days. G1 is sort of in between a “learner’s permit” where you can only drive under supervision, and a full G2 license that allows you to drive anywhere. One of the restrictions of the G1 is that you can’t drive on “400 series” highways, which are the Ontario equivalents of US Interstate highways. Basically, it lets you drive around your town on surface streets, and is supposed to give the new drivers more experience at handling the vehicle before driving at highway speeds routinely. I think it’s a one or two year period before they can get the G2. So, a partially licensed driver driving where they’re not supposed to, carrying weed when they’re not supposed to\*, and with no insurance. \*With G1, there’s also a zero tolerance for any level of drugs or alcohol. Blow 0.0 or you’re in trouble. ---
**Author:** ![Morgyn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morgyn/32/3041_2.png) [@Morgyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgyn)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2022, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canadian-dopers-freedom-convoy/959186/787 "2022-04-29T14:56:53Z")
Wow. In the US, we’re taught to drive on highways as part of the Driver’s Ed course, which I think is about a semester long. Learner’s permit is until you’re 18, which requires a “responsible” adult in the car with you. Once you turn 18, you can drive anywhere you like. ---
**Author:** ![Grey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b782af/32.png) [@Grey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grey)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2022, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canadian-dopers-freedom-convoy/959186/788 "2022-04-29T17:37:19Z")
Graduated liscencing in Ontario is a 20 month minimum process. Following your 16th birthday, passing an eye and “rules of the road” test you get your G1. G1 driver may - only drive when they have an experienced G licence driver in the passenger seat. Accompanying drivers must have a full G for at least 4 years. They must have an alcohol level of less than 0.05% if over 21. If under 21 they must have zero blood alcohol level. - Zero alcohol/cannabis - Not drive between 12 am - 5 am - Not drive on 400 highways - drive G class vehicles – cars, vans, small trucks. In an Ottawa context a G1 driver could drive on Highway 7 where speeds range from 80 kmph (50 mph) to 100 (60mph). They would not be allowed to drive on Highway 416 where the limit is 100 kmph (60 mph) Following that in 12 months (8 with Drivers’ Ed) you can apply for G2 by completing a road test (basically the G1’s exit exam) G2 drivers: - 12 month practice period (You may practice with your G2 licence for 12 months, without the need for another experienced driver in the vehicle, on any Ontario roads, at any time) - Zero blood alcohol and cannabis : For those 19 or younger : - Night driving restrictions - for the first six months only one passenger who is 19 or under between midnight and 5 AM. After the first 6 months up to three passengers 19 or under between midnight and 5 AM. - Night driving restrictions exceptions do not apply if there is a fully licenced driver in the car (with at least four years driving experience) or if the passengers are all immediate family members Finally you take the G2 exit road test which makes you a G license holder. Youngest is going for their G license next week hence why I have any idea at all of how this works. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2022, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canadian-dopers-freedom-convoy/959186/789 "2022-04-29T18:27:53Z")
> [@Grey](#): > > Youngest is going for their G license next week hence why I have any idea at all of how this works. Yes, it’s changed quite a lot since I did this in the 80s. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2022, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canadian-dopers-freedom-convoy/959186/790 "2022-04-29T19:45:48Z")
> [@Morgyn](#): > > Learner’s permit is until you’re 18, which requires a “responsible” adult in the car with you. Once you turn 18, you can drive anywhere you like. Where are you? (generally.) Illinois is typically learning and putting hours behind the wheel at 15 accompanied by a licensed driver, and get your own license at 16 with the passing of the test. ---
**Author:** ![Morgyn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morgyn/32/3041_2.png) [@Morgyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgyn)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2022, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canadian-dopers-freedom-convoy/959186/791 "2022-04-29T20:56:14Z")
Bugger, you’re right, it is 16. It’s (almost) everything else that’s legal at 18. ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2022, 5:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canadian-dopers-freedom-convoy/959186/792 "2022-04-30T05:16:46Z")
> [@Horatius](#): > > Yes, it’s changed quite a lot since I did this in the 80s. And a lot since I did it in the 1970s, in Ontario. I got my learner’s on my sixteenth birthday, and was fully licensed in six months. I cannot imagine having to go through G1, G2, etc. now. But I guess if that’s what it takes, then that’s what it takes; and today’s young people just put up with it. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2022, 11:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canadian-dopers-freedom-convoy/959186/793 "2022-04-30T11:20:20Z")
How much time will they ideally see? ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2022, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canadian-dopers-freedom-convoy/959186/794 "2022-04-30T14:22:00Z")
Probably no time, but each of those is a pretty good traffic ticket. Also, for G1 drivers, [there’s automatic license suspensions](https://www.ontariotraffictickets.com/traffic-tickets/class-g1-licence/), and this will drive up their insurance rates (which they apparently already can’t afford!) > Any violation of any of the novice driver licence convictions will result in a drivers licence suspension of thirty (30) days for a first conviction. Subsequent convictions will result in a licence suspension for ninety (90) days. ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_Paprika](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr_paprika/32/3042_2.png) [@Dr\_Paprika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr_Paprika)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2022, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canadian-dopers-freedom-convoy/959186/795 "2022-07-06T00:40:46Z")
They had an editorial in the Globe few days ago saying the protestors were merely blocking the street, and no other inflammatory rhetoric or action was needed. Yeah… I wonder if they remember how businesses and border towns and Ottawa folks felt at the time. A lot of restraint was shown under circumstances which seem easier once changed. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2022, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canadian-dopers-freedom-convoy/959186/796 "2022-07-06T14:30:27Z")
> [@Dr\_Paprika](#): > > They had an editorial in the Globe few days ago saying the protestors were merely blocking the street, and no other inflammatory rhetoric or action was needed. Yeah… I wonder if they remember how businesses and border towns and Ottawa folks felt at the time Was it only blocking the street? Pretty much… but “blocking the street” is a hell of a big deal if it lasts days or weeks. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2022, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canadian-dopers-freedom-convoy/959186/797 "2022-07-06T14:31:09Z")
> [@Dr\_Paprika](#): > > They had an editorial in the Globe few days ago saying the protestors were merely blocking the street, and no other inflammatory rhetoric or action was needed Nice try for the Globe to re-write history. A few of us can remember back a few months though. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2022, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canadian-dopers-freedom-convoy/959186/798 "2022-07-06T14:41:22Z")
Yes, they were blocking the street. Which is a _Criminal Code_ offence. Nice try, _Globe & Pail_. ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_Paprika](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr_paprika/32/3042_2.png) [@Dr\_Paprika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr_Paprika)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2022, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canadian-dopers-freedom-convoy/959186/799 "2022-07-07T00:59:56Z")
The editorial praised Ford for keeping the protestors on foot and vehicles away from government buildings. And said Trudeau should have done the same thing, threatening them with “blocking the streets”, like Ford. (And like they did in Ottawa at more recent celebrations). Instead, Trudeau apparently made a bunch of inflammatory remarks. When all he had to do was charge protestors with blocking streets, which the truckers would reluctantly agree was the case, move (as they were quite willing to do, merely waiting for a “pretty please”… and everything would have been easily solved. Silly Justin! This is the problem with having a _Drama teacher_ in charge! While I think Ford _did_ handle the Toronto protest well, it also occurred many days after Ottawa began, did not attract the more extreme already in Ottawa and seeking attention there. Likely the Ottawa Police were misinformed about the intention of the protestors to stay. But look (sarcasm may follow), the _protestors took no pleasure_ in being there as a civic duty. It is not like they had hot tubs or bouncy castles. No one who lived in Ottawa complained about abuses or was even inconvenienced. Why didn’t the Police just ask the protestors to go home, which would have saved a lot of trouble? I tend to believe Canadians are fairly smart, that the Globe journalists know these facts given the length of protest and its leading position in the need for weeks. So I found this editorial confusing. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2022, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canadian-dopers-freedom-convoy/959186/800 "2022-07-07T01:27:03Z")
> [@Dr\_Paprika](#): > > When all he had to do was charge protestors with blocking streets, Which of course the prime minister and the federal gov’t could not do, since policing and prosecutions are a municipal / provincial matter. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canadian-dopers-freedom-convoy/959186.md?page=39) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canadian-dopers-freedom-convoy/959186.md?page=41)